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Labor packing up and moving out of Canberra?

By johnboy - 6 June 2013 88

For mine it was game over for Labor when Prime Minister Gillard made her “Captain’s Pick” of Nova Peris to establish her “legacy”. Obviously the PM had seen the writing on the wall before that.

Today the Business Spectator reports that Labor MPs are already moving out of their Parliament House offices in anticipation of electoral obliteration.

I don’t know if it’s related but Aldi appeared to be doing a brisk trade in shredders yesterday.

And even the country’s most high profile 457 visa holder is looking for a new job in Sydney:

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HiddenDragon 10:25 am 10 Jun 13

Back on the original topic, I assume some, particularly those with a well-polished marshal’s baton in the knapsack, may be staying loyal to Julia because with her remaining as leader, the vote is likely to be so bad that Rudd may lose his seat. Two birds, one stone, and there are examples of a strong bounce-back after an electoral catastrophe for Labor – 1969, 1980, 1998. With increasingly difficult economic conditions as a background, and plenty of time bombs planted, it could still plausibly be a two-term strategy for a “decimated” Labor opposition.

bundah 10:02 am 10 Jun 13

@dung

This is a snapshot of public polls re same sex marriage from which one could reasonably glean that should a referendum be held then it’s highly probable that same sex marriage would be sanctioned.

In June 2004, a survey conducted by Newspoll showed that 38% of respondents supported same-sex marriage, with 44% opposed and 18% undecided.

In June 2007, a Galaxy Poll conducted for advocacy group GetUp! measured the opinions of 1,100 Australians aged 16 and over.
57% of respondents supported same-sex marriage with 37% opposed and 6% undecided.
71% of respondents supported same-sex couples having the same legal entitlements as opposite-sex de facto couples.

In June 2009, a Galaxy Poll commissioned by Australian Marriage Equality measured the opinions of 1,100 Australians aged 16 and over.
60% of respondents supported the recognition of same-sex marriage, with 36% opposed and 4% undecided. Support was highest amongst those respondents who were intending to vote for the Australian Greens (82%) and who were aged 16–24 (74%). The majority of respondents from each state and each age bracket (except for the 50 and above category with 45% of respondents) were in support.
58% of respondents supported the recognition of foreign same-sex marriages in Australia, with 36% opposed and 5% undecided. Support was highest amongst those respondents who were intending to vote for the Australian Greens (74%) and who were aged 16–24 (73%). The majority of respondents from each state and each age bracket (except for the 50 and over category with 43% of respondents) were in support.

In October 2010, a Galaxy Poll commissioned by Australian Marriage Equality measured the opinions of 1,050 Australians aged 18 and over.
62% of respondents supported the recognition of same-sex marriage, with 33% opposed and 5% undecided. Support was highest amongst respondents who were intending to vote for the Australian Greens (81%), and who were aged 18–24 (80%). The majority of respondents from each state and each age bracket (except for the 50 and over category with 46% of respondents) were in support.
78% of respondents supported a conscience vote on the recognition of same-sex marriage, with 16% opposed and 6% undecided. Support was highest amongst those respondents aged 18–24 (84%), and who lived in South Australia (83%). The majority of respondents from each state and each age bracket were in support.

In March 2011, an Essential Media Poll suggested that support for same-sex marriage had fallen below 50% and opposition was up by 4%.

In July 2011 a survey of 543 people conducted by Roy Morgan measured the support for a number of positions on marriage.
68% of Australians support same-sex marriage
78% classify marriage as a ‘necessary’ institution, with only 22% opposing

In a late November 2011 Galaxy poll of over 1000 voters, 80% wanted Tony Abbott to allow the Liberal/National Coalition to participate in Labor’s same-sex marriage conscience vote, and that 76% of Coalition voters wanted a same-sex marriage conscience vote

In a February 2012 online poll of 1506 Australian adult members on the Nine Rewards website by Angus Reid Public Opinion, 49% of Australians said same-sex couples should be allowed to legally marry, 31% said they should be allowed to form civil unions, but not marry, and 14% said they should not have any kind of legal recognition. (The margin of error was +/- 2.5%.). No attempt was made to make the survey representative of the entire population, and the Nine Rewards website is associated with the Nine Network, an Australian television channel popular with older and more conservative viewers.

In early 2012 the House of Representatives conducted an online survey to provide a simple means for the public to voice their views on same-sex marriage and two bills which sought to legalise it, the Marriage Equality Amendment Bill 2012 and the Marriage Amendment Bill 2012. The survey closed on April 20, having received approximately 276,000 responses, including about 213,500 comments Of these responses, it was reported that 64.3% supported same-sex marriage, or approximately 177,600 people. The report acknowledged that “The online survey was not a statistically valid, random poll. Respondents were self-selected, in that they chose to participate if they wished.”

dungfungus 9:19 am 10 Jun 13

Pork Hunt said :

dungfungus said :

“This is the Galaxy poll where a sample of 865 Australians aged between 18-69 distributed throughout Oz that were surveyed in August 2012”
Why aged between 18 – 69?
Why not 18 – 68 or 18 -70?
This is a joke, right?

They probably rang 865 people and for the record, asked each one how old they were. Apparently the youngest was 18 and the oldest 69. Not rocket science really.

The point I am trying to make is that the 70+ demographic in Australia is significant and excluding their opinion on this issue will skew the result accordingly.
In a referendum, everyone on the electoral roll will have an opportunity for a say and I believe there would be a resounding “No” to legalising same-sex marriage. The SSM lobby knows this and that is why they are trying to convice everyone otherwise without the matter being decided by a referendum which is the correct procedure when consitutional change is sought.
Personally, I don’t care what happens but it seems strange that only about 2% of our population can demand for a formal union which bestows no more rights than what a de-facto one gives now while hetrosexual couples are shying away from the institution of marriage altogether.
I think it is more about the “look at me” syndrone.

Pork Hunt 8:14 am 10 Jun 13

dungfungus said :

“This is the Galaxy poll where a sample of 865 Australians aged between 18-69 distributed throughout Oz that were surveyed in August 2012”
Why aged between 18 – 69?
Why not 18 – 68 or 18 -70?
This is a joke, right?

They probably rang 865 people and for the record, asked each one how old they were. Apparently the youngest was 18 and the oldest 69. Not rocket science really.

HiddenDragon 10:19 pm 09 Jun 13

dungfungus said :

HiddenDragon said :

Insiders this morning has kicked things along again – it could be sooner than 14 September or, then again, it could be later.

Interesting to hear some people saying it’s getting too late for a change – let us not forget what Labor did on 3 February 1983, while Malcolm was waiting on His Excellency’s pleasure.

I’ve forgotten so please remind me.

I believe Fraser sought an election on that day, thinking he would face Hayden but, hey presto, it turned out to be Hawke – and the rest is history.

Holditz 10:10 pm 09 Jun 13

dungfungus said :

I’ve forgotten so please remind me.

Bob Hawke was elected Party leader.

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