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Mysteryman said :

Real evidence, like the stuff you ignored? You’re a troll. Simple as that. You don’t even have a reason to get involved in the discussion.

Interesting that your sense of entitlement runs as deep as believeing that you can decide who is allowed to join in a conversation on this site, it would be gob smacking if not so true to form.

I would say I admire your tenacity, but, I can’t, you are embarrasing yourself by not knowing when to quit.

Just to recap – all I did was point out that you are using an irrelevant piece of information to back up your argument, rather than acknowledge that, you revert to form and throw around terms like ‘troll’ and ‘idiot’.

You need to, in the words of Kenny Rogers, know when to walk away, know when to run. Please, for your own sake, move on and go back to cheering on your Liberal MLA mates on other threads.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Mysteryman said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Mysteryman said :

You’re either an idiot or a troll. Which is it?

Oh yes, well done, your debate skills are shining through: give me two unpalitable options with the expectation I will pick the ‘least worse’ option, you almost had me there…

All you had to do was answer a simple question about what you’re actually arguing, and you didn’t do it.

I think that says more than enough about your motives, and why you only have those two options.

You are embarrasing yourself here you should seriously let it go.

But seeing as you asked, I have never suggested that ‘ trader must provide service to everyone, regardless of their behavior or compliance of the terms of entry to a premises’.

All I have done is point out that you have used irrelevant evidence to back up your argument and I am sure everyone on this site is tired of your desperate attempts to squirm and wriggle away from that fact.

I suggest you go and get your free burrito to raise your blood sugar levels to a normal level so you can focus on gathering real evidence to back up your claims.

Real evidence, like the stuff you ignored? You’re a troll. Simple as that. You don’t even have a reason to get involved in the discussion apart from scrounging for perceived flaws in my argument, which you don’t even disagree with anyway.

You’re a troll and you didn’t even do that well. Pretty sad. But hey, keep going. I’m sure you’ll feel like a real winner if you can get the last, misguided word in. It’s what you usually go for, right?

milkman said :

Have you entirely missed the point? Why should the cafe owner turn off the music?[/quote>

No I have not missed the point, but I’m confident that you have. There’s a lot more going on here than just a request to turn down some music. It’s quite obvious.

As for the least of the issues, the request to turn down the music, of course the owner was under no obligation to turn it down. Common courtesy aside, that’s his choice. But his real feelings were revealed in his responses to the conflict which were totally unacceptable and vile.

There are two sides to every story and it’s nice that this one has video evidence. I’m sure once it’s made public there will be no doubt in any one’s mind what was really going on.

Mysteryman said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Mysteryman said :

You’re either an idiot or a troll. Which is it?

Oh yes, well done, your debate skills are shining through: give me two unpalitable options with the expectation I will pick the ‘least worse’ option, you almost had me there…

All you had to do was answer a simple question about what you’re actually arguing, and you didn’t do it.

I think that says more than enough about your motives, and why you only have those two options.

You are embarrasing yourself here you should seriously let it go.

But seeing as you asked, I have never suggested that ‘ trader must provide service to everyone, regardless of their behavior or compliance of the terms of entry to a premises’.

All I have done is point out that you have used irrelevant evidence to back up your argument and I am sure everyone on this site is tired of your desperate attempts to squirm and wriggle away from that fact.

I suggest you go and get your free burrito to raise your blood sugar levels to a normal level so you can focus on gathering real evidence to back up your claims.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Mysteryman said :

You’re either an idiot or a troll. Which is it?

Oh yes, well done, your debate skills are shining through: give me two unpalitable options with the expectation I will pick the ‘least worse’ option, you almost had me there…

All you had to do was answer a simple question about what you’re actually arguing, and you didn’t do it.

I think that says more than enough about your motives, and why you only have those two options.

Henry82 said :

So the other half of the story comes through, sounds like the protestors were acting like children, quick to jump on the “he hates gays” lynch mob

And it worked, judging by many of the comments here.

Mysteryman said :

You’re either an idiot or a troll. Which is it?

Oh yes, well done, your debate skills are shining through: give me two unpalitable options with the expectation I will pick the ‘least worse’ option, you almost had me there…

Have the grace to accept you have lost and learn from your mistake.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Mysteryman said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Mysteryman said :

Also of interest:

http://www.eoc.sa.gov.au/eo-business/shops-and-services/dealing-difficult-customers/refusing-entry-and-service

Can I be refused entry to a shop or business?

Traders have the right to refuse entry or ban any person from their premises and may refuse to serve a person provided they do not breach anti-discrimination laws e.g. refuse somebody service on the basis of an attribute such as age race or religion.

I didn’t realise that Canberra had been annexed by the South Australians.

I, for one, welcome our new crow eater overlords.

ps – a tip for young players: if you are going to get yourself all frothy and call people idiots, make sure the ‘facts’ you rely on come from the right jurisdiction…

You’ll note that I said “also of interest”. Not, “this law applies here”, even though the law here is essentially the same.

Troll harder.

Keep squirming, keep squirming. It is not an exercise in trolling to point out that you have referenced a flyer from another jurisdiction to back up your argument.

The problem is that you, as seems to be your wont, have posted something without thinking about it and have then been forced to type a few key words in to google to try and find something, anything, to back you up.

Unfortunately for you, in this instance it was not relevant to the ACT.

Did it ever occur to you that there was a reason I wrote “also of interest”, and included the link as secondary to the first link in the comment (which you’ve conveniently ignored)? Of course it didn’t. You have nothing to contribute here. You’re trolling.

Tell me, are you actually of the belief that the law says a trader must provide service to everyone, regardless of their behavior or compliance of the terms of entry to a premises? You’d have to be pretty stupid to think that, and yet here you are arguing with me on that point. You’re either an idiot or a troll. Which is it?

So the other half of the story comes through, sounds like the protestors were acting like children, quick to jump on the “he hates gays” lynch mob

Mysteryman said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Mysteryman said :

Also of interest:

http://www.eoc.sa.gov.au/eo-business/shops-and-services/dealing-difficult-customers/refusing-entry-and-service

Can I be refused entry to a shop or business?

Traders have the right to refuse entry or ban any person from their premises and may refuse to serve a person provided they do not breach anti-discrimination laws e.g. refuse somebody service on the basis of an attribute such as age race or religion.

I didn’t realise that Canberra had been annexed by the South Australians.

I, for one, welcome our new crow eater overlords.

ps – a tip for young players: if you are going to get yourself all frothy and call people idiots, make sure the ‘facts’ you rely on come from the right jurisdiction…

You’ll note that I said “also of interest”. Not, “this law applies here”, even though the law here is essentially the same.

Troll harder.

Keep squirming, keep squirming. It is not an exercise in trolling to point out that you have referenced a flyer from another jurisdiction to back up your argument.

The problem is that you, as seems to be your wont, have posted something without thinking about it and have then been forced to type a few key words in to google to try and find something, anything, to back you up.

Unfortunately for you, in this instance it was not relevant to the ACT.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Mysteryman said :

Oops, wrong link. It applies, but this is more relevant.

http://www.hrc.act.gov.au/discrimination/

The Commissioner’s role under the Discrimination Act is to take complaints of unlawful discrimination under the Act. Unlawful discrimination occurs when someone is:
1) Treated Unfavourably
2) Because of a protected attribute; and
3) This occurs in public life.

Bad behaviour and making threats are not “protected attributes”.

Also of interest:

http://www.eoc.sa.gov.au/eo-business/shops-and-services/dealing-difficult-customers/refusing-entry-and-service

Can I be refused entry to a shop or business?

Traders have the right to refuse entry or ban any person from their premises and may refuse to serve a person provided they do not breach anti-discrimination laws e.g. refuse somebody service on the basis of an attribute such as age race or religion.

D

:/ and sexuality

But they can still discriminate on the basis of gender (perhaps unless that are transgender).

dazzab said :

Wow, what a very sad tale and what a great example of exactly why those holding the rally need to fight for their rights. The people in the cafe couldn’t have made a better example of why the rally was being held if you had paid them. What a great way for a business owner to handle conflict.

Have you entirely missed the point? Why should the cafe owner turn off the music?

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Mysteryman said :

Also of interest:

http://www.eoc.sa.gov.au/eo-business/shops-and-services/dealing-difficult-customers/refusing-entry-and-service

Can I be refused entry to a shop or business?

Traders have the right to refuse entry or ban any person from their premises and may refuse to serve a person provided they do not breach anti-discrimination laws e.g. refuse somebody service on the basis of an attribute such as age race or religion.

I didn’t realise that Canberra had been annexed by the South Australians.

I, for one, welcome our new crow eater overlords.

ps – a tip for young players: if you are going to get yourself all frothy and call people idiots, make sure the ‘facts’ you rely on come from the right jurisdiction…

You’ll note that I said “also of interest”. Not, “this law applies here”, even though the law here is essentially the same.

Troll harder.

Mysteryman said :

Also of interest:

http://www.eoc.sa.gov.au/eo-business/shops-and-services/dealing-difficult-customers/refusing-entry-and-service

Can I be refused entry to a shop or business?

Traders have the right to refuse entry or ban any person from their premises and may refuse to serve a person provided they do not breach anti-discrimination laws e.g. refuse somebody service on the basis of an attribute such as age race or religion.

I didn’t realise that Canberra had been annexed by the South Australians.

I, for one, welcome our new crow eater overlords.

ps – a tip for young players: if you are going to get yourself all frothy and call people idiots, make sure the ‘facts’ you rely on come from the right jurisdiction…

Mysteryman said :

Oops, wrong link. It applies, but this is more relevant.

http://www.hrc.act.gov.au/discrimination/

The Commissioner’s role under the Discrimination Act is to take complaints of unlawful discrimination under the Act. Unlawful discrimination occurs when someone is:
1) Treated Unfavourably
2) Because of a protected attribute; and
3) This occurs in public life.

Bad behaviour and making threats are not “protected attributes”.

Also of interest:

http://www.eoc.sa.gov.au/eo-business/shops-and-services/dealing-difficult-customers/refusing-entry-and-service

Can I be refused entry to a shop or business?

Traders have the right to refuse entry or ban any person from their premises and may refuse to serve a person provided they do not breach anti-discrimination laws e.g. refuse somebody service on the basis of an attribute such as age race or religion.

D

:/ and sexuality

PBO said :

Well said.

No, no it wasn’t.

Wow, what a very sad tale and what a great example of exactly why those holding the rally need to fight for their rights. The people in the cafe couldn’t have made a better example of why the rally was being held if you had paid them. What a great way for a business owner to handle conflict.

Micfromlandmark said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Micfromlandmark said :

Grail said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Sticking your finger up at a bigot is not a problem. its infact its incredibly civilised.

There is no apology that can be given for the cafes behaviour though. Why would you try to defend them?

See, here is where we get into the interesting part. You are prejudging the guy as a bigot, then claiming that it is perfectly fine to be rude to someone that you have determined is a bigot. That is wonderful for you, I am sure, but that prejudice makes you a bigot.

What was said between the two? Can anybody clear that up? What if the waiter was mistaken about the crowd, believing they were a pro-straight-marriage group, and the waiter was actually gay, and took offense at the protester calling him gay/homophobe?

But no, you read it on The Internet so it must be true!

I’m approach by a lady she informs me that there about to have a rally,she asked if I could turn the music off, I refused moments later a gentlemen came demanding and threatening to rally against me and my cafe, I refused so they chanted telling people not to come to my cafe, at that point all service for the day stopped, not only for the group out side but for all patrons. The childish behavior continued, my father aprouched the man that had made certain comments and found what the rally was about. I was told they were talking to him like shit so he in return called the guy a fuckwit for ignoring what my father had to say. As he hid behind a woman, it was not in any way directed at the woman but the dickhead with the big mouth he was showing aggretion towards. 5minutes later a large man approached the counter belting his hand screaming abuse, my father told him to fuck off, he continued to scream and show aggretion towards my father, I ran out the front of the cafe using the dinning room door and started to scuffle with the guy,it wasn’t long befor my father jumped the counter and separated us both.
The reason why the music wasn’t turned off is because we had a party of 6 on one table, and further three men and two children on another table. I felt they were enjoying there free time and weren’t paying any attention to what was taking place outside. At no time was the music turned up,it was at the same level as when they first arrived. The cd used was a burnt cd which accounts for the ten decibels in increase and decrease in sound. My father thinks it has to do with how much base each song has when recorded. These speakers are not deafening even when turned up, for any one that wishes to view the recording of what took place we welcome you to play with sound system and view footage. We as a family do truely apoligize. My father and I want to get together with the guy that we had the run in with and take him out for dinner, if any only knows who he is please have him come and talk to us we wish to apoligize in person to him,we also need to say we are not affiliated with cube or any other club in Canberra. We find the patrons of cube to be polite and not of a violent nature. Regardless of our sexuality we have nothing against gay people or what yous are out to achieve. We both insist the next time you hold a rally in Canberra it’s on us we will close shop for all other than yourselves, food and all drinks on us. We hope to see at least one of you to confirm our side of what took place.

Can you put the video on YouTube of all this?

I’m sorry I will not have it broadcasted on you tube. I don’t wish to continue to carry this any further, I’ve been with my solicitor this morning, and have only a few things to say to you. After your friend was refused service, no other customer was served, the nine people inside the cafe were apoligized too, and we’re not charged any money, there details were taken, if need to be witnessed. Further more the Vidio clearly shows my father go over the counter and stop firstly a second person that went to assist the gentlemen that I was in the scuffle with,befor pulling us apart. It further more shows the man hit our counter as hard as he could and scream abuse with great hostility. I can go on and on I don’t wish to bring any more attention firstly to our selves and secondly to your rally, we have admitted ignorance in not knowing what was going on that weekend, our behavior was not at all acceptable, as was not there’s. All we wanted was to make our customers as cumfortable as possible. If it is you don’t wish to be friends and wish to continue with this I’m not going to bother with you. We have apoligized to all that wish to accept it,and think that it’s only fare your party that has some part in ignorance also take some responsibility. We give to those that don’t have money to pay for there food and drinks when asked, for those that expect the same treatment standing behind a homeless man, we tell them to fuck off. Don’t take our forgiveness for weakness. As we’re more than willing if need be 2 C U in any court room all the best in what you all believe in and hope 4 . Take care bye

Well said.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Micfromlandmark said :

Grail said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Sticking your finger up at a bigot is not a problem. its infact its incredibly civilised.

There is no apology that can be given for the cafes behaviour though. Why would you try to defend them?

See, here is where we get into the interesting part. You are prejudging the guy as a bigot, then claiming that it is perfectly fine to be rude to someone that you have determined is a bigot. That is wonderful for you, I am sure, but that prejudice makes you a bigot.

What was said between the two? Can anybody clear that up? What if the waiter was mistaken about the crowd, believing they were a pro-straight-marriage group, and the waiter was actually gay, and took offense at the protester calling him gay/homophobe?

But no, you read it on The Internet so it must be true!

I’m approach by a lady she informs me that there about to have a rally,she asked if I could turn the music off, I refused moments later a gentlemen came demanding and threatening to rally against me and my cafe, I refused so they chanted telling people not to come to my cafe, at that point all service for the day stopped, not only for the group out side but for all patrons. The childish behavior continued, my father aprouched the man that had made certain comments and found what the rally was about. I was told they were talking to him like shit so he in return called the guy a fuckwit for ignoring what my father had to say. As he hid behind a woman, it was not in any way directed at the woman but the dickhead with the big mouth he was showing aggretion towards. 5minutes later a large man approached the counter belting his hand screaming abuse, my father told him to fuck off, he continued to scream and show aggretion towards my father, I ran out the front of the cafe using the dinning room door and started to scuffle with the guy,it wasn’t long befor my father jumped the counter and separated us both.
The reason why the music wasn’t turned off is because we had a party of 6 on one table, and further three men and two children on another table. I felt they were enjoying there free time and weren’t paying any attention to what was taking place outside. At no time was the music turned up,it was at the same level as when they first arrived. The cd used was a burnt cd which accounts for the ten decibels in increase and decrease in sound. My father thinks it has to do with how much base each song has when recorded. These speakers are not deafening even when turned up, for any one that wishes to view the recording of what took place we welcome you to play with sound system and view footage. We as a family do truely apoligize. My father and I want to get together with the guy that we had the run in with and take him out for dinner, if any only knows who he is please have him come and talk to us we wish to apoligize in person to him,we also need to say we are not affiliated with cube or any other club in Canberra. We find the patrons of cube to be polite and not of a violent nature. Regardless of our sexuality we have nothing against gay people or what yous are out to achieve. We both insist the next time you hold a rally in Canberra it’s on us we will close shop for all other than yourselves, food and all drinks on us. We hope to see at least one of you to confirm our side of what took place.

Can you put the video on YouTube of all this?

I’m sorry I will not have it broadcasted on you tube. I don’t wish to continue to carry this any further, I’ve been with my solicitor this morning, and have only a few things to say to you. After your friend was refused service, no other customer was served, the nine people inside the cafe were apoligized too, and we’re not charged any money, there details were taken, if need to be witnessed. Further more the Vidio clearly shows my father go over the counter and stop firstly a second person that went to assist the gentlemen that I was in the scuffle with,befor pulling us apart. It further more shows the man hit our counter as hard as he could and scream abuse with great hostility. I can go on and on I don’t wish to bring any more attention firstly to our selves and secondly to your rally, we have admitted ignorance in not knowing what was going on that weekend, our behavior was not at all acceptable, as was not there’s. All we wanted was to make our customers as cumfortable as possible. If it is you don’t wish to be friends and wish to continue with this I’m not going to bother with you. We have apoligized to all that wish to accept it,and think that it’s only fare your party that has some part in ignorance also take some responsibility. We give to those that don’t have money to pay for there food and drinks when asked, for those that expect the same treatment standing behind a homeless man, we tell them to fuck off. Don’t take our forgiveness for weakness. As we’re more than willing if need be 2 C U in any court room all the best in what you all believe in and hope 4 . Take care bye

Micfromlandmark said :

Grail said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Sticking your finger up at a bigot is not a problem. its infact its incredibly civilised.

There is no apology that can be given for the cafes behaviour though. Why would you try to defend them?

See, here is where we get into the interesting part. You are prejudging the guy as a bigot, then claiming that it is perfectly fine to be rude to someone that you have determined is a bigot. That is wonderful for you, I am sure, but that prejudice makes you a bigot.

What was said between the two? Can anybody clear that up? What if the waiter was mistaken about the crowd, believing they were a pro-straight-marriage group, and the waiter was actually gay, and took offense at the protester calling him gay/homophobe?

But no, you read it on The Internet so it must be true!

I’m approach by a lady she informs me that there about to have a rally,she asked if I could turn the music off, I refused moments later a gentlemen came demanding and threatening to rally against me and my cafe, I refused so they chanted telling people not to come to my cafe, at that point all service for the day stopped, not only for the group out side but for all patrons. The childish behavior continued, my father aprouched the man that had made certain comments and found what the rally was about. I was told they were talking to him like shit so he in return called the guy a fuckwit for ignoring what my father had to say. As he hid behind a woman, it was not in any way directed at the woman but the dickhead with the big mouth he was showing aggretion towards. 5minutes later a large man approached the counter belting his hand screaming abuse, my father told him to fuck off, he continued to scream and show aggretion towards my father, I ran out the front of the cafe using the dinning room door and started to scuffle with the guy,it wasn’t long befor my father jumped the counter and separated us both.
The reason why the music wasn’t turned off is because we had a party of 6 on one table, and further three men and two children on another table. I felt they were enjoying there free time and weren’t paying any attention to what was taking place outside. At no time was the music turned up,it was at the same level as when they first arrived. The cd used was a burnt cd which accounts for the ten decibels in increase and decrease in sound. My father thinks it has to do with how much base each song has when recorded. These speakers are not deafening even when turned up, for any one that wishes to view the recording of what took place we welcome you to play with sound system and view footage. We as a family do truely apoligize. My father and I want to get together with the guy that we had the run in with and take him out for dinner, if any only knows who he is please have him come and talk to us we wish to apoligize in person to him,we also need to say we are not affiliated with cube or any other club in Canberra. We find the patrons of cube to be polite and not of a violent nature. Regardless of our sexuality we have nothing against gay people or what yous are out to achieve. We both insist the next time you hold a rally in Canberra it’s on us we will close shop for all other than yourselves, food and all drinks on us. We hope to see at least one of you to confirm our side of what took place.

This doesn’t surprise me at all. I’ll be by later for a coffee.

Oops, wrong link. It applies, but this is more relevant.

http://www.hrc.act.gov.au/discrimination/

The Commissioner’s role under the Discrimination Act is to take complaints of unlawful discrimination under the Act. Unlawful discrimination occurs when someone is:
1) Treated Unfavourably
2) Because of a protected attribute; and
3) This occurs in public life.

Bad behaviour and making threats are not “protected attributes”.

Also of interest:

http://www.eoc.sa.gov.au/eo-business/shops-and-services/dealing-difficult-customers/refusing-entry-and-service

Can I be refused entry to a shop or business?

Traders have the right to refuse entry or ban any person from their premises and may refuse to serve a person provided they do not breach anti-discrimination laws e.g. refuse somebody service on the basis of an attribute such as age race or religion.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Mysteryman said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Grail said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Sticking your finger up at a bigot is not a problem. its infact its incredibly civilised.

There is no apology that can be given for the cafes behaviour though. Why would you try to defend them?

See, here is where we get into the interesting part. You are prejudging the guy as a bigot, then claiming that it is perfectly fine to be rude to someone that you have determined is a bigot. That is wonderful for you, I am sure, but that prejudice makes you a bigot.

What was said between the two? Can anybody clear that up? What if the waiter was mistaken about the crowd, believing they were a pro-straight-marriage group, and the waiter was actually gay, and took offense at the protester calling him gay/homophobe?

But no, you read it on The Internet so it must be true!

Absolutely ridiculous.

Huge difference between sticking your finger up at someone(harmless) and drowning out somebodys right to protest with loud music then refusing to serve them(against the law)

please on post factual statements instead of trying to make bad spin.

This is quite amusing as you are clearly someone who has no idea what a fact is. Prove your “fact” that the cafe owner refused to serve them based on the fact that they were gay, and not because they were being abusive and threatening towards him.

A reasonable person would come to the conclusion that a cafe that regularly exclusively serves gay people wouldn’t turn them away based on their sexuality. You seem incapable of understanding this. Why is that?

Also, refusing to serve someone is not against the law. I, for example, would be well within my rights to refuse you service because you were causing trouble, making a scene, inappropriately dressed, or not behaving in accordance with the conditions of entry, for example. What I couldn’t do is refuse you service based on your race or gender (or other protected status). Maybe you should look into “facts” a bit more. Or better yet, just stop posting. You’re wrong, and that’s all there is to it.

Source?

Wow. Not being content with having your stupid set to 8, you had to go and turn it up to 11. Good to know I was right.

Here you go, idiot: http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/816201

If you want to go claiming you’re all about facts, be prepared to be called out on it.

Micfromlandmark said :

Grail said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Sticking your finger up at a bigot is not a problem. its infact its incredibly civilised.

There is no apology that can be given for the cafes behaviour though. Why would you try to defend them?

See, here is where we get into the interesting part. You are prejudging the guy as a bigot, then claiming that it is perfectly fine to be rude to someone that you have determined is a bigot. That is wonderful for you, I am sure, but that prejudice makes you a bigot.

What was said between the two? Can anybody clear that up? What if the waiter was mistaken about the crowd, believing they were a pro-straight-marriage group, and the waiter was actually gay, and took offense at the protester calling him gay/homophobe?

But no, you read it on The Internet so it must be true!

I’m approach by a lady she informs me that there about to have a rally,she asked if I could turn the music off, I refused moments later a gentlemen came demanding and threatening to rally against me and my cafe, I refused so they chanted telling people not to come to my cafe, at that point all service for the day stopped, not only for the group out side but for all patrons. The childish behavior continued, my father aprouched the man that had made certain comments and found what the rally was about. I was told they were talking to him like shit so he in return called the guy a fuckwit for ignoring what my father had to say. As he hid behind a woman, it was not in any way directed at the woman but the dickhead with the big mouth he was showing aggretion towards. 5minutes later a large man approached the counter belting his hand screaming abuse, my father told him to fuck off, he continued to scream and show aggretion towards my father, I ran out the front of the cafe using the dinning room door and started to scuffle with the guy,it wasn’t long befor my father jumped the counter and separated us both.
The reason why the music wasn’t turned off is because we had a party of 6 on one table, and further three men and two children on another table. I felt they were enjoying there free time and weren’t paying any attention to what was taking place outside. At no time was the music turned up,it was at the same level as when they first arrived. The cd used was a burnt cd which accounts for the ten decibels in increase and decrease in sound. My father thinks it has to do with how much base each song has when recorded. These speakers are not deafening even when turned up, for any one that wishes to view the recording of what took place we welcome you to play with sound system and view footage. We as a family do truely apoligize. My father and I want to get together with the guy that we had the run in with and take him out for dinner, if any only knows who he is please have him come and talk to us we wish to apoligize in person to him,we also need to say we are not affiliated with cube or any other club in Canberra. We find the patrons of cube to be polite and not of a violent nature. Regardless of our sexuality we have nothing against gay people or what yous are out to achieve. We both insist the next time you hold a rally in Canberra it’s on us we will close shop for all other than yourselves, food and all drinks on us. We hope to see at least one of you to confirm our side of what took place.

Can you put the video on YouTube of all this?

Grail said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Sticking your finger up at a bigot is not a problem. its infact its incredibly civilised.

There is no apology that can be given for the cafes behaviour though. Why would you try to defend them?

See, here is where we get into the interesting part. You are prejudging the guy as a bigot, then claiming that it is perfectly fine to be rude to someone that you have determined is a bigot. That is wonderful for you, I am sure, but that prejudice makes you a bigot.

What was said between the two? Can anybody clear that up? What if the waiter was mistaken about the crowd, believing they were a pro-straight-marriage group, and the waiter was actually gay, and took offense at the protester calling him gay/homophobe?

But no, you read it on The Internet so it must be true!

I’m approach by a lady she informs me that there about to have a rally,she asked if I could turn the music off, I refused moments later a gentlemen came demanding and threatening to rally against me and my cafe, I refused so they chanted telling people not to come to my cafe, at that point all service for the day stopped, not only for the group out side but for all patrons. The childish behavior continued, my father aprouched the man that had made certain comments and found what the rally was about. I was told they were talking to him like shit so he in return called the guy a fuckwit for ignoring what my father had to say. As he hid behind a woman, it was not in any way directed at the woman but the dickhead with the big mouth he was showing aggretion towards. 5minutes later a large man approached the counter belting his hand screaming abuse, my father told him to fuck off, he continued to scream and show aggretion towards my father, I ran out the front of the cafe using the dinning room door and started to scuffle with the guy,it wasn’t long befor my father jumped the counter and separated us both.
The reason why the music wasn’t turned off is because we had a party of 6 on one table, and further three men and two children on another table. I felt they were enjoying there free time and weren’t paying any attention to what was taking place outside. At no time was the music turned up,it was at the same level as when they first arrived. The cd used was a burnt cd which accounts for the ten decibels in increase and decrease in sound. My father thinks it has to do with how much base each song has when recorded. These speakers are not deafening even when turned up, for any one that wishes to view the recording of what took place we welcome you to play with sound system and view footage. We as a family do truely apoligize. My father and I want to get together with the guy that we had the run in with and take him out for dinner, if any only knows who he is please have him come and talk to us we wish to apoligize in person to him,we also need to say we are not affiliated with cube or any other club in Canberra. We find the patrons of cube to be polite and not of a violent nature. Regardless of our sexuality we have nothing against gay people or what yous are out to achieve. We both insist the next time you hold a rally in Canberra it’s on us we will close shop for all other than yourselves, food and all drinks on us. We hope to see at least one of you to confirm our side of what took place.

Micfromlandmark said :

chewy14 said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

chewy14 said :

So hearsay and one-sided biased experiences are facts now? LOL.

Do you know what the words hearsay and facts mean?

Yes.

From your past couple of comments though, you don’t.

chewy14 said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

chewy14 said :

So hearsay and one-sided biased experiences are facts now? LOL.

Do you know what the words hearsay and facts mean?

Yes.

From your past couple of comments though, you don’t.

chewy14 said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

chewy14 said :

So hearsay and one-sided biased experiences are facts now? LOL.

Do you know what the words hearsay and facts mean?

Yes.

From your past couple of comments though, you don’t.

chewy14 said :

So hearsay and one-sided biased experiences are facts now? LOL.

Do any of you have time to come down to the cafe? I’m more than happy to show that music was never turned up higher than when yous first arrive. The whole rally as well as what took place inside is recorded

Michael, glad to hear you’ve got footage. We do too and some of it has already been handed over.

I don’t think the ‘I’m a victim’ argument is sustainable. Surely you know that too. However the AFP can work on that one.

In regards to the denial of service issue both video and photographic evidence will accompany our complaint to the ACT Human Rights Commission. The video of our speeches where we struggle (even with our microphone) to be heard over the repeatedly surging volume of ‘ambient music’ is quite clear. Senior and respected members of the community were in earshot and they’re not standing for it either.

Beyond all else you can’t just make stuff up in a digital age dude.

We have great photos which clearly show our crowd standing very calmly in a public place enjoying the sun and trying to hear a few speeches. The pictures also clearly show that most of our group was positioned away from your cafe. Perhaps that was because they couldn’t hear our public speakers over the din that started up shortly after from Landmark Cafe.

It highlights how outrageous your behaviour was and your subsequent claims are.

We have footage of you guys coming over to our group, cornering and harassing participants and swearing to the camera.

You said to the Canberra Times that you felt threatened by the crowd.

Repeatedly approaching them, confronting, insulting, challenging them to “step away” and telling them condescendingly that they’re “scared” if they don’t, repeatedly referring to their sexuality in a derogatory way, provoking tension to a peaceful rally by increasing your music, jumping over the counter to clock someone…

…none of these things sound like you were the ones that were “threatened”.

The action of someone feeling threatened and fearing for their safety is the person who called the police for help. It wasn’t you.

I’d also like to point out something that most have missed. To selectively choose when to profit from the GLBTI community doesn’t instantly mean you’re GLBTI friendly.

When you call people “homos”, “fags” and “buttf*ckers” AND you tell them “we don’t want your business” repeatedly AND you don’t support a peaceful, legally authorised protest to the direct benefit of the same community it’s pretty clear you’re not GLBTI friendly.

Giving attendees a half price friand with a coffee? Or buy 4 get 5? Hell, just keeping your music down out of basic respect. That would have appeared ‘friendly’.

Considering the harm that you have caused; considering the impact you inflicted; I am absolutely bewildered you chose to go on the offensive with this. There were too many people there to think you could get away with it, surely.

Considering what is due to happen I would have thought that a bit of navel gazing would have you see some sense as a human. Perhaps a little enlightenment. Hell, just as a business person there were better ways.

Because you feel no remorse for what you have done it only increases the sense of necessity to ensure that you are compelled to feel remorse formally and that others know that behaviour like yours is entirely unacceptable in Canberra in 2012.

I’ve noticed you’ve apologised for the multiple bad coffee/customer service experiences since opening up on the the-riotact. It’s just downright astonishing that you feel no remorse for your behaviour on Saturday. I can say with certainty, you are no friend of the GLBTI community.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

refusing to serve them(against the law) … …

Against the law? How so?

[i]YouTube could be your friend right now.[/i]

This might depend on the action being taken against him in Tribunal. Might want to consult your lawyers before listening to frothing internet commentators.

Micfromlandmark said :

chewy14 said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

chewy14 said :

So hearsay and one-sided biased experiences are facts now? LOL.

Do you know what the words hearsay and facts mean?

Yes.

From your past couple of comments though, you don’t.

chewy14 said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

chewy14 said :

So hearsay and one-sided biased experiences are facts now? LOL.

Do you know what the words hearsay and facts mean?

Yes.

From your past couple of comments though, you don’t.

chewy14 said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

chewy14 said :

So hearsay and one-sided biased experiences are facts now? LOL.

Do you know what the words hearsay and facts mean?

Yes.

From your past couple of comments though, you don’t.

chewy14 said :

So hearsay and one-sided biased experiences are facts now? LOL.

Do any of you have time to come down to the cafe? I’m more than happy to show that music was never turned up higher than when yous first arrive. The whole rally as well as what took place inside is recorded

YouTube could be your friend right now.

Micfromlandmark said :

chewy14 said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

chewy14 said :

So hearsay and one-sided biased experiences are facts now? LOL.

Do you know what the words hearsay and facts mean?

Yes.

From your past couple of comments though, you don’t.

chewy14 said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

chewy14 said :

So hearsay and one-sided biased experiences are facts now? LOL.

Do you know what the words hearsay and facts mean?

Yes.

From your past couple of comments though, you don’t.

chewy14 said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

chewy14 said :

So hearsay and one-sided biased experiences are facts now? LOL.

Do you know what the words hearsay and facts mean?

Yes.

From your past couple of comments though, you don’t.

chewy14 said :

So hearsay and one-sided biased experiences are facts now? LOL.

Do any of you have time to come down to the cafe? I’m more than happy to show that music was never turned up higher than when yous first arrive. The whole rally as well as what took place inside is recorded

put it on line and post a link.

*gets popcorn*

chewy14 said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

chewy14 said :

So hearsay and one-sided biased experiences are facts now? LOL.

Do you know what the words hearsay and facts mean?

Yes.

From your past couple of comments though, you don’t.

chewy14 said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

chewy14 said :

So hearsay and one-sided biased experiences are facts now? LOL.

Do you know what the words hearsay and facts mean?

Yes.

From your past couple of comments though, you don’t.

chewy14 said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

chewy14 said :

So hearsay and one-sided biased experiences are facts now? LOL.

Do you know what the words hearsay and facts mean?

Yes.

From your past couple of comments though, you don’t.

chewy14 said :

So hearsay and one-sided biased experiences are facts now? LOL.

Do any of you have time to come down to the cafe? I’m more than happy to show that music was never turned up higher than when yous first arrive. The whole rally as well as what took place inside is recorded

chewy14 said :

So hearsay and one-sided biased experiences are facts now? LOL.

Welcome to the Court of RiotACT.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Source?

Don’t waste your time, his MO is to drop in, make some right wing statements and then, when called on them, crawl back under his rock.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

chewy14 said :

So hearsay and one-sided biased experiences are facts now? LOL.

Do you know what the words hearsay and facts mean?

Yes.

From your past couple of comments though, you don’t.

chewy14 said :

So hearsay and one-sided biased experiences are facts now? LOL.

Do you know what the words hearsay and facts mean?

Mysteryman said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Grail said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Sticking your finger up at a bigot is not a problem. its infact its incredibly civilised.

There is no apology that can be given for the cafes behaviour though. Why would you try to defend them?

See, here is where we get into the interesting part. You are prejudging the guy as a bigot, then claiming that it is perfectly fine to be rude to someone that you have determined is a bigot. That is wonderful for you, I am sure, but that prejudice makes you a bigot.

What was said between the two? Can anybody clear that up? What if the waiter was mistaken about the crowd, believing they were a pro-straight-marriage group, and the waiter was actually gay, and took offense at the protester calling him gay/homophobe?

But no, you read it on The Internet so it must be true!

Absolutely ridiculous.

Huge difference between sticking your finger up at someone(harmless) and drowning out somebodys right to protest with loud music then refusing to serve them(against the law)

please on post factual statements instead of trying to make bad spin.

This is quite amusing as you are clearly someone who has no idea what a fact is. Prove your “fact” that the cafe owner refused to serve them based on the fact that they were gay, and not because they were being abusive and threatening towards him.

A reasonable person would come to the conclusion that a cafe that regularly exclusively serves gay people wouldn’t turn them away based on their sexuality. You seem incapable of understanding this. Why is that?

Also, refusing to serve someone is not against the law. I, for example, would be well within my rights to refuse you service because you were causing trouble, making a scene, inappropriately dressed, or not behaving in accordance with the conditions of entry, for example. What I couldn’t do is refuse you service based on your race or gender (or other protected status). Maybe you should look into “facts” a bit more. Or better yet, just stop posting. You’re wrong, and that’s all there is to it.

Source?

So hearsay and one-sided biased experiences are facts now? LOL.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Grail said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Sticking your finger up at a bigot is not a problem. its infact its incredibly civilised.

There is no apology that can be given for the cafes behaviour though. Why would you try to defend them?

See, here is where we get into the interesting part. You are prejudging the guy as a bigot, then claiming that it is perfectly fine to be rude to someone that you have determined is a bigot. That is wonderful for you, I am sure, but that prejudice makes you a bigot.

What was said between the two? Can anybody clear that up? What if the waiter was mistaken about the crowd, believing they were a pro-straight-marriage group, and the waiter was actually gay, and took offense at the protester calling him gay/homophobe?

But no, you read it on The Internet so it must be true!

Absolutely ridiculous.

Huge difference between sticking your finger up at someone(harmless) and drowning out somebodys right to protest with loud music then refusing to serve them(against the law)

please on post factual statements instead of trying to make bad spin.

This is quite amusing as you are clearly someone who has no idea what a fact is. Prove your “fact” that the cafe owner refused to serve them based on the fact that they were gay, and not because they were being abusive and threatening towards him.

A reasonable person would come to the conclusion that a cafe that regularly exclusively serves gay people wouldn’t turn them away based on their sexuality. You seem incapable of understanding this. Why is that?

Also, refusing to serve someone is not against the law. I, for example, would be well within my rights to refuse you service because you were causing trouble, making a scene, inappropriately dressed, or not behaving in accordance with the conditions of entry, for example. What I couldn’t do is refuse you service based on your race or gender (or other protected status). Maybe you should look into “facts” a bit more. Or better yet, just stop posting. You’re wrong, and that’s all there is to it.

Grail said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Sticking your finger up at a bigot is not a problem. its infact its incredibly civilised.

There is no apology that can be given for the cafes behaviour though. Why would you try to defend them?

See, here is where we get into the interesting part. You are prejudging the guy as a bigot, then claiming that it is perfectly fine to be rude to someone that you have determined is a bigot. That is wonderful for you, I am sure, but that prejudice makes you a bigot.

What was said between the two? Can anybody clear that up? What if the waiter was mistaken about the crowd, believing they were a pro-straight-marriage group, and the waiter was actually gay, and took offense at the protester calling him gay/homophobe?

But no, you read it on The Internet so it must be true!

Absolutely ridiculous.

Huge difference between sticking your finger up at someone(harmless) and drowning out somebodys right to protest with loud music then refusing to serve them(against the law)

please on post factual statements instead of trying to make bad spin.

Darkfalz said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Darkfalz said :

poetix said :

Personally, I love to watch the world go by as I sip coffee. A peaceful demonstration would be far more appealing to watch than a delightful montage of drug deals and chuggers and shopalots. Unless I felt guilty for not getting up and supporting them (the demonstrators, not the drug dealers). That feeling might totally ruin your short black.

Peaceful demonstration? These hot headed, lacking life experience young leftards are usually looking for a fight so they can exert their misplaced sense of self righteousness on others. They’re quick to anger and antagonism towards anyone they deem not receptive to whatever flavour of the week issue they’re protesting about, as demonstrated clearly by this incident. Importantly, they know that if there is a scuffle, or a fight, they’re more likely to make news. So they are usually the instigators of it.

Now watching these kind of fireworks in itself is amusing, but I wouldn’t call it peaceful.

Source?

Barbecue.

please do not post lies again. Ensure that when posting things in a factual way, that you actually have sources to back them up.

Grail said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Sticking your finger up at a bigot is not a problem. its infact its incredibly civilised.

There is no apology that can be given for the cafes behaviour though. Why would you try to defend them?

See, here is where we get into the interesting part. You are prejudging the guy as a bigot, then claiming that it is perfectly fine to be rude to someone that you have determined is a bigot. That is wonderful for you, I am sure, but that prejudice makes you a bigot.

What was said between the two? Can anybody clear that up? What if the waiter was mistaken about the crowd, believing they were a pro-straight-marriage group, and the waiter was actually gay, and took offense at the protester calling him gay/homophobe?

But no, you read it on The Internet so it must be true!

Well said.

Darkfalz said :

poetix said :

Personally, I love to watch the world go by as I sip coffee. A peaceful demonstration would be far more appealing to watch than a delightful montage of drug deals and chuggers and shopalots. Unless I felt guilty for not getting up and supporting them (the demonstrators, not the drug dealers). That feeling might totally ruin your short black.

Peaceful demonstration? These hot headed, lacking life experience young leftards are usually looking for a fight so they can exert their misplaced sense of self righteousness on others. They’re quick to anger and antagonism towards anyone they deem not receptive to whatever flavour of the week issue they’re protesting about, as demonstrated clearly by this incident. Importantly, they know that if there is a scuffle, or a fight, they’re more likely to make news. So they are usually the instigators of it.

Now watching these kind of fireworks in itself is amusing, but I wouldn’t call it peaceful.

KNOW YOUR VIOLENT LEFTIE. YOUR LIFE MAY DEPEND ON IT! You will not be able to see his eyes because of the Tea-Shades, but his knuckles will be white from inner tension and his pants will be crusted with semen from constantly jacking off when he can’t find a rape victim. He will stagger and babble when questioned. He will not respect your authority. The Leftard fears nothing. He will attack, for no reason, with every weapon at his command-including yours. BEWARE. Anyone apprehending a suspected leftard should use all necessary force immediately. One stitch in time (on him) will usually save nine on you. Good luck.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Sticking your finger up at a bigot is not a problem. its infact its incredibly civilised.

There is no apology that can be given for the cafes behaviour though. Why would you try to defend them?

See, here is where we get into the interesting part. You are prejudging the guy as a bigot, then claiming that it is perfectly fine to be rude to someone that you have determined is a bigot. That is wonderful for you, I am sure, but that prejudice makes you a bigot.

What was said between the two? Can anybody clear that up? What if the waiter was mistaken about the crowd, believing they were a pro-straight-marriage group, and the waiter was actually gay, and took offense at the protester calling him gay/homophobe?

But no, you read it on The Internet so it must be true!

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Darkfalz said :

poetix said :

Personally, I love to watch the world go by as I sip coffee. A peaceful demonstration would be far more appealing to watch than a delightful montage of drug deals and chuggers and shopalots. Unless I felt guilty for not getting up and supporting them (the demonstrators, not the drug dealers). That feeling might totally ruin your short black.

Peaceful demonstration? These hot headed, lacking life experience young leftards are usually looking for a fight so they can exert their misplaced sense of self righteousness on others. They’re quick to anger and antagonism towards anyone they deem not receptive to whatever flavour of the week issue they’re protesting about, as demonstrated clearly by this incident. Importantly, they know that if there is a scuffle, or a fight, they’re more likely to make news. So they are usually the instigators of it.

Now watching these kind of fireworks in itself is amusing, but I wouldn’t call it peaceful.

Source?

Barbecue.

Darkfalz said :

poetix said :

Personally, I love to watch the world go by as I sip coffee. A peaceful demonstration would be far more appealing to watch than a delightful montage of drug deals and chuggers and shopalots. Unless I felt guilty for not getting up and supporting them (the demonstrators, not the drug dealers). That feeling might totally ruin your short black.

Peaceful demonstration? These hot headed, lacking life experience young leftards are usually looking for a fight so they can exert their misplaced sense of self righteousness on others. They’re quick to anger and antagonism towards anyone they deem not receptive to whatever flavour of the week issue they’re protesting about, as demonstrated clearly by this incident. Importantly, they know that if there is a scuffle, or a fight, they’re more likely to make news. So they are usually the instigators of it.

Now watching these kind of fireworks in itself is amusing, but I wouldn’t call it peaceful.

Source?

Micky_P said :

I was at the rally for a brief period and I couldn’t quite figure out why the cafe kept increasing the volume of their music. This explains so much.

The cafe clearly cast the first stone by turning up their music. Not only is an action like that deliberately obstreperous and provocative, it was also obviously endorsed by the management as evidenced by the fact that they allowed the volume to be raised and made no effort to lower it. Then you have the fact that the owner was involved, in some manner at least, with the altercation afterwards and I think it’s fair to say we have enough info here to work out for ourselves what to think of the issue, thanks though Grail. I certainly won’t be patronising such an awfully-run establishment, I’ll leave it up to other folks to make up their minds on the matter however. Maybe you like redneck places, who am I to judge?

Phill said :

. The young staffer also came out.

So they let gays work there? Don’t see the big deal if they are EEO…

Perhaps the organisers of the protesty westy could fill in one of these forms and send it in to the gubmnt so others can looka fter their delicate sensibilities:

http://www.offshorediver.com/pdf/Hurt%20Feelings%20Report.pdf

How close was the rally for cafe music to be an interruption to a PA system/loudspeaker/whatever they were using?

Sorry, I’m going to side with the cafe here with my limited knowledge of what went down. A bit of courtesy on the part of the organisers couldn’t have hurt. There are plenty of large open spaces away from businesses in civic. The whole “we’re a minority and can do what we want and whine to a commision if someone has a problem with it” doesn’t fly with me, no matter what minority group they are.

poetix said :

Personally, I love to watch the world go by as I sip coffee. A peaceful demonstration would be far more appealing to watch than a delightful montage of drug deals and chuggers and shopalots. Unless I felt guilty for not getting up and supporting them (the demonstrators, not the drug dealers). That feeling might totally ruin your short black.

Peaceful demonstration? These hot headed, lacking life experience young leftards are usually looking for a fight so they can exert their misplaced sense of self righteousness on others. They’re quick to anger and antagonism towards anyone they deem not receptive to whatever flavour of the week issue they’re protesting about, as demonstrated clearly by this incident. Importantly, they know that if there is a scuffle, or a fight, they’re more likely to make news. So they are usually the instigators of it.

Now watching these kind of fireworks in itself is amusing, but I wouldn’t call it peaceful.

gazket said :

maybe the people at the cafe were sick and tired of hearing about gays preaching that they want to get married. If your not heterosexual you can’t get married get over it and settle for calling it something else instead of trying to hijack the name marriage

Can you give me what you think are the origins of the word marriage?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

I think the main reason people wouldnt be going to said cafe was because they had their own music up so loud it hurt your ears?

Or in this case, the hate speech and overt homophobia from the proprietors.

gazket said :

maybe the people at the cafe were sick and tired of hearing about gays preaching that they want to get married. If your not heterosexual you can’t get married get over it and settle for calling it something else instead of trying to hijack the name marriage

your poor grammar appalls me but yes i do agree with you still – rebadge the Marriage Act so that we can get over the fact that a small backwards section of the australian community thinks they own the word ‘marriage’. i don’t care for the word ‘marriage’ anyway – comes out of a crusty old book of fiction!

poetix said :

chewy14 said :

simsim said :

You’re really telling me that gay people and lefties don’t drink coffee? So where does the whole “latte sipping” insult come from? Could Andrew Bolt and Miranda Define really just be talking out their arses?

I’m thinking it’s more the fact that a cafe is usually a place where you sit down, relax and drink your coffee. Something that a protest right next door may make a little bit difficult.
I don’t know whether the possible increase in take-away would make up for losing your entire sit-down trade.

Personally, I love to watch the world go by as I sip coffee. A peaceful demonstration would be far more appealing to watch than a delightful montage of drug deals and chuggers and shopalots. Unless I felt guilty for not getting up and supporting them (the demonstrators, not the drug dealers). That feeling might totally ruin your short black.

Things have changed in the city since the 1960s and ’70s. Back then there was a toilet block in Garema Place which was used as a beat and patrons in the cafe across the street would look at the patrons coming and going through the tinted glass window as they sipped their brews. Now a cafe a few doors down turns up the music to keep the gays away.

SnapperJack said :

So a few people at a gay marriage rally won’t be patronising Landmark Cafe. That leaves 350,000 Canberrans who probably will. Chick-Fil-A this ain’t.

perhaps if you managed to have a little think about it and perhaps extrapolate that 1. not the whole of the GLBTI community attended the rally, and 2. that there are lots and lots of ‘straights’ out there who back their GLTBI friends/family/colleagues/fellow human beings 100% – then you would have an inkling of comprehension that the publicity and word of mouth of this ignorant and unprofessional homophobic staff member is going to have a fairly detrimental effect on a new small business. hmmm?

This story, plus the names, has me wondering if there is a link between Landmark Cafe and the Landmark cult.

Landmark owner was quoted in the Canberra Times yesterday that Cube patrons often sit around and have coffee at Landmark, and he is happy to have a gay clientele. Sounding more and more as though there’s an unnecessary conflagration going on here. In any case, has it been established whether the “employee” had said he didn’t want a particular “type” e.g. noisy protestor, as patron, or was her referring specifically to gay people? Frankly I think I’ll have a coffee there some time. And I am not a homophobe.

gazket said :

maybe the people at the cafe were sick and tired of hearing about gays preaching that they want to get married. If your not heterosexual you can’t get married get over it and settle for calling it something else instead of trying to hijack the name marriage

*head desk*

.. one to be avoided in the future. Thanks

maybe the people at the cafe were sick and tired of hearing about gays preaching that they want to get married. If your not heterosexual you can’t get married get over it and settle for calling it something else instead of trying to hijack the name marriage

johnboy said :

Have you ever been to a protest? They’re not the most disciplined of gatherings.

Splitter…

I’m not sure that a business that opens in an area that’s known to host legitimate large scale rallies/protests has any basis to complain (turning up music, arguing with protesters, etc) when the rallies/protests occur.

Additionally, given the large number of direct competitors in the immediate area, it is perfectly acceptable for a potential customer to base their purchasing decision solely on other (potential) customers’ experience. It doesn’t make them a bigot.

What sort of halfwit would not go to a cafe becuase there was a protest nearby?

I think the main reason people wouldnt be going to said cafe was because they had their own music up so loud it hurt your ears?

again, makes no sense.

chewy14 said :

simsim said :

You’re really telling me that gay people and lefties don’t drink coffee? So where does the whole “latte sipping” insult come from? Could Andrew Bolt and Miranda Define really just be talking out their arses?

I’m thinking it’s more the fact that a cafe is usually a place where you sit down, relax and drink your coffee. Something that a protest right next door may make a little bit difficult.
I don’t know whether the possible increase in take-away would make up for losing your entire sit-down trade.

Personally, I love to watch the world go by as I sip coffee. A peaceful demonstration would be far more appealing to watch than a delightful montage of drug deals and chuggers and shopalots. Unless I felt guilty for not getting up and supporting them (the demonstrators, not the drug dealers). That feeling might totally ruin your short black.

simsim said :

You’re really telling me that gay people and lefties don’t drink coffee? So where does the whole “latte sipping” insult come from? Could Andrew Bolt and Miranda Define really just be talking out their arses?

I’m thinking it’s more the fact that a cafe is usually a place where you sit down, relax and drink your coffee. Something that a protest right next door may make a little bit difficult.
I don’t know whether the possible increase in take-away would make up for losing your entire sit-down trade.

You’re really telling me that gay people and lefties don’t drink coffee? So where does the whole “latte sipping” insult come from? Could Andrew Bolt and Miranda Define really just be talking out their arses?

colourful sydney racing identity said :

johnboy said :

Yes because a large crowd is the worst thing that could occur near a business selling refreshments!

I know if I was running a coffee shop the thing I would dread the most would be a large crowd of lefties assembling near by.

Unless I was running a starbucks.

Apart from the Spanish Inquisition, the thing I would dread the most would be a quick onset bout of involuntary projectile diarrhea

Pitchka said :

johnboy said :

You mean a noisy group of potential customers?

“What do we want?” “Equal rights” “when do we want them”? Shhshhh shh shh, guys guys guys, you keen to stop for a quick skim mocha frapacino before we continue our protest?

Johnboy, c’mon dude, i think not. :oP

Agreed. Seeing as the cafe opens exclusively for patrons of Cube three nights a week I doubt that they owners are homophobic and willing to lose business simply because the customers were gay.

Sounds much more likely that they simply didn’t like a loud protest (of any type) near their business which they thought was costing them trade. It’s not like it would be the first time that protesters have overreacted.

johnboy said :

Pitchka said :

“What do we want?” “Equal rights” “when do we want them”? Shhshhh shh shh, guys guys guys, you keen to stop for a quick skim mocha frapacino before we continue our protest?

Johnboy, c’mon dude, i think not. :oP

Have you ever been to a protest? They’re not the most disciplined of gatherings.

No, but i hear the protests in Syria are action packed…

Pitchka said :

“What do we want?” “Equal rights” “when do we want them”? Shhshhh shh shh, guys guys guys, you keen to stop for a quick skim mocha frapacino before we continue our protest?

Johnboy, c’mon dude, i think not. :oP

Have you ever been to a protest? They’re not the most disciplined of gatherings.

johnboy said :

You mean a noisy group of potential customers?

“What do we want?” “Equal rights” “when do we want them”? Shhshhh shh shh, guys guys guys, you keen to stop for a quick skim mocha frapacino before we continue our protest?

Johnboy, c’mon dude, i think not. :oP

johnboy said :

Yes because a large crowd is the worst thing that could occur near a business selling refreshments!

A noisy group of protestors is likely to scare off potential and existing customers.

gooterz said :

I’m a dickhead

+1

johnboy said :

Yes because a large crowd is the worst thing that could occur near a business selling refreshments!

I know if I was running a coffee shop the thing I would dread the most would be a large crowd of lefties assembling near by.

Unless I was running a starbucks.

Jim Jones said :

Pfft … swords don’t have 3 edges.

Some bayonets, court swords and rapiers do, did you know that the mind is like a sword? It’s easier to take ppl down when it’s sharp.

I have no problem with gay civil unions, I just believe everyone should be taken down a peg or two. I am going to get a coffee there just because there is an outcry. Do you like your coffee hot, black and without a penis? Then try Landmark!

Sounds like both “groups” were acting like children

Just as some people take everything personally, some people take things as agaisnt their minority!

The owners were probably angry about their loss of business from the protest. If there were 400 of them people would be keen to avoid it. Hopefully they can get rid of the chuggers too!

”We apologise to some heterosexuals that are intoxicated, this room is only accesable [sic] for customers of cube Thursday, Friday and Saturday evening after 9:00pm, which has been in place for the past month.”

Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/protest-leads-to-complaint-over-cafe-20120813-24582.html#ixzz23UZEOkUm
Isnt that a breach of the discrimination act?
Refusing a service to straight people!

johnboy said :

Jim Jones said :

Pfft … swords don’t have 3 edges.

Star pickets on the other hand…

and a pointy bit…

does anyone know if their coffee is worth trying anyway? or should one simply repair anyway to the relative coffee quality a short stroll away at loui’s, tossolini’s, the deli outside supabarn or a longer hike to lonsdale st roasters, to name a few..?

FXST01 said :

Storm in a teacup.

has to be better than a teabag in one..

I was at the rally for a brief period and I couldn’t quite figure out why the cafe kept increasing the volume of their music. This explains so much.

johnboy said :

Jim Jones said :

Pfft … swords don’t have 3 edges.

Star pickets on the other hand…

🙂 I am so going to use that. Give someone a beating with the star picket of truth

Jim Jones said :

Pfft … swords don’t have 3 edges.

Star pickets on the other hand…

Pfft … swords don’t have 3 edges.

Mysteryman said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Grail said :

One incident is enough to get on your blacklist? “Bigot” does not even begin to describe your attitude. 1337haxor’s post omits important details about the altercation, such as the speaker giving the bird to the waiter along with a shouting argument.

Anyone who has “blacklisted” this establishment for one incident without allowing time for an apology needs to seriously look at what a mockery they are making of themselves and pro-equality sentiment in Canberra. I do not want to be associated with such redneck behaviour as picking a fight with a homophobe in a public place, or publicly announcing a blacklisting of a café you were never going to visit anyway.

This behaviour is not acceptable in civilised society.

Sure, go ahead and discuss the incident and tell us how shocking was the behaviour of both parties involved. Tell us your side of the story. Then wait for Landmark to come back with an apology or other statement. Where is the request for Landmark to comment? Where is the patience usually allowed for preparation of an apology?

In related news, a bunch of knee-jerk reactions from indie authors got LendInk shut down. The capacity for people to react impulsively against their own interests is astounding.

Sticking your finger up at a bigot is not a problem. its infact its incredibly civilised.

There is no apology that can be given for the cafes behaviour though. Why would you try to defend them?

Do you make a habit of reacting without even considering the evidence? You don’t even know the truth about what happened, beyond a single post from someone, and here you are blacklisting, boycotting, and generally making a huge beat up of the issue. Very intelligent.

ToastFliesRED said :

But after many years of dealing with complaints long ago now I am also a proponent of the perspective best exemplified to me in the quote by the character John Sheridan in the TV Series Babylon 5 “understanding is a three edged sword, your side, their side and the truth”

THIS.

Actuaslly, several different reports have been made, not just a single source.

Why one earth would a protest about human rights randomly choose to attack a random cafe?

makes no sense.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Grail said :

One incident is enough to get on your blacklist? “Bigot” does not even begin to describe your attitude. 1337haxor’s post omits important details about the altercation, such as the speaker giving the bird to the waiter along with a shouting argument.

Anyone who has “blacklisted” this establishment for one incident without allowing time for an apology needs to seriously look at what a mockery they are making of themselves and pro-equality sentiment in Canberra. I do not want to be associated with such redneck behaviour as picking a fight with a homophobe in a public place, or publicly announcing a blacklisting of a café you were never going to visit anyway.

This behaviour is not acceptable in civilised society.

Sure, go ahead and discuss the incident and tell us how shocking was the behaviour of both parties involved. Tell us your side of the story. Then wait for Landmark to come back with an apology or other statement. Where is the request for Landmark to comment? Where is the patience usually allowed for preparation of an apology?

In related news, a bunch of knee-jerk reactions from indie authors got LendInk shut down. The capacity for people to react impulsively against their own interests is astounding.

Sticking your finger up at a bigot is not a problem. its infact its incredibly civilised.

There is no apology that can be given for the cafes behaviour though. Why would you try to defend them?

Do you make a habit of reacting without even considering the evidence? You don’t even know the truth about what happened, beyond a single post from someone, and here you are blacklisting, boycotting, and generally making a huge beat up of the issue. Very intelligent.

ToastFliesRED said :

But after many years of dealing with complaints long ago now I am also a proponent of the perspective best exemplified to me in the quote by the character John Sheridan in the TV Series Babylon 5 “understanding is a three edged sword, your side, their side and the truth”

THIS.

They have commented on their window…

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Sticking your finger up at a bigot is not a problem.

As long as you’re happy to sink to their level, it’s completely fine.

At least it didnt get too physical, I had a friend in a similar situation and he ended up suffering from a gaybite which got infected. He could have lost his arm as his body started to reject the limb because it clashed with the rest and made him look fat in jeans (dont ask me how it works).

Sure ok they’ve not replied at all, well maybe take a look at the front page picture in today’s CT which does not appear in the version I have just viewed online but their comment is cited in the online article here: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/protest-leads-to-complaint-over-cafe-20120813-24582.html
Not defending them but as per my comment #10 there is more than one side here

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Sticking your finger up at a bigot is not a problem.

As long as you’re happy to sink to their level, it’s completely fine.

It sounds like it’s a case of he said, he said..

I’m sure both parties were both being loud, obnoxious and riding on their high horses. I doubt there will be either party in the right, so they should just get off their horse and walk off to get on with their lives.

There was two people from the cafe involved in the kerfuffle. The young staffer and the guy who I assume was the owner.

After a guy went up to complain at the end of the rally it quickly turned to yelling and the guy I assume was the owner jumped the counter, knocking a glass bottle that was sitting on the counter over in the process. The young staffer also came out.

The police attended after most people had left the rally. No idea what action, if any, was taken by them.

Grail said :

One incident is enough to get on your blacklist? “Bigot” does not even begin to describe your attitude. 1337haxor’s post omits important details about the altercation, such as the speaker giving the bird to the waiter along with a shouting argument.

Anyone who has “blacklisted” this establishment for one incident without allowing time for an apology needs to seriously look at what a mockery they are making of themselves and pro-equality sentiment in Canberra. I do not want to be associated with such redneck behaviour as picking a fight with a homophobe in a public place, or publicly announcing a blacklisting of a café you were never going to visit anyway.

This behaviour is not acceptable in civilised society.

Sure, go ahead and discuss the incident and tell us how shocking was the behaviour of both parties involved. Tell us your side of the story. Then wait for Landmark to come back with an apology or other statement. Where is the request for Landmark to comment? Where is the patience usually allowed for preparation of an apology?

In related news, a bunch of knee-jerk reactions from indie authors got LendInk shut down. The capacity for people to react impulsively against their own interests is astounding.

They were quite quick to jump on RA when someone had mentioned their bad service, almost immediately.

Now with the mention of what is occurring on the Facebook page, it’s safe to assume they stand by their remarks, actions and attitudes of the day.

I was initially keen to try out this new cafe as I’m happy to support local business that is just starting up. However, I will not support a cafe that presents such homophobic tendencies and will be telling all my friends about what happened at the rally.

I support the rally and I support 1337Hax0r’s response to walk away

But after many years of dealing with complaints long ago now I am also a proponent of the perspective best exemplified to me in the quote by the character John Sheridan in the TV Series Babylon 5 “understanding is a three edged sword, your side, their side and the truth”

So a few people at a gay marriage rally won’t be patronising Landmark Cafe. That leaves 350,000 Canberrans who probably will. Chick-Fil-A this ain’t.

Grail said :

One incident is enough to get on your blacklist? “Bigot” does not even begin to describe your attitude. 1337haxor’s post omits important details about the altercation, such as the speaker giving the bird to the waiter along with a shouting argument.

Anyone who has “blacklisted” this establishment for one incident without allowing time for an apology needs to seriously look at what a mockery they are making of themselves and pro-equality sentiment in Canberra. I do not want to be associated with such redneck behaviour as picking a fight with a homophobe in a public place, or publicly announcing a blacklisting of a café you were never going to visit anyway.

This behaviour is not acceptable in civilised society.

Sure, go ahead and discuss the incident and tell us how shocking was the behaviour of both parties involved. Tell us your side of the story. Then wait for Landmark to come back with an apology or other statement. Where is the request for Landmark to comment? Where is the patience usually allowed for preparation of an apology?

In related news, a bunch of knee-jerk reactions from indie authors got LendInk shut down. The capacity for people to react impulsively against their own interests is astounding.

Sticking your finger up at a bigot is not a problem. its infact its incredibly civilised.

There is no apology that can be given for the cafes behaviour though. Why would you try to defend them?

looks like this is starting to erupt on their facebook page.

One incident is enough to get on your blacklist? “Bigot” does not even begin to describe your attitude. 1337haxor’s post omits important details about the altercation, such as the speaker giving the bird to the waiter along with a shouting argument.

Anyone who has “blacklisted” this establishment for one incident without allowing time for an apology needs to seriously look at what a mockery they are making of themselves and pro-equality sentiment in Canberra. I do not want to be associated with such redneck behaviour as picking a fight with a homophobe in a public place, or publicly announcing a blacklisting of a café you were never going to visit anyway.

This behaviour is not acceptable in civilised society.

Sure, go ahead and discuss the incident and tell us how shocking was the behaviour of both parties involved. Tell us your side of the story. Then wait for Landmark to come back with an apology or other statement. Where is the request for Landmark to comment? Where is the patience usually allowed for preparation of an apology?

In related news, a bunch of knee-jerk reactions from indie authors got LendInk shut down. The capacity for people to react impulsively against their own interests is astounding.

Have RA (or any other journalistic types) approached Landmark for a statement or response?

Not that I think this behaviour can be excused if it’s as people describe, but it’d be interesting to see what they have to say.

Storm in a teacup.

so sad that there are still so many people like this.

also means their buisness will possibly go broke when everyone hears about this.

It’s not as if they are the only option around that area. I can simply walk a few metres in any direction and i’m sure I’ll find another joint to buy coffee that doesn’t pick and choose whose money they take.
Or, with a bit more brevity, f*ck em.

Added to the list of places I will never go.