Latham Hold-Up 2003

Mulberry 12 September 2010 21

Just wondering if anyone remembers the hold up that went really bad at the Latham post office in 2003??

There were 2 injured and one died….

So anyway, the guy gets out of jail this week…

7 years for stabbing 2 people numerous times and causing death to an elderly man…

7 years….


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georgesgenitals georgesgenitals 2:57 pm 07 Jan 11

Kiks – how much life did he steal from the guy he killed?

I don’t give a rats if he was affected by drugs at the time – it shouldn’t have happened.

far_northact far_northact 2:16 pm 07 Jan 11

“, 7 years for a 20 year old young offender who was drug affected at the time (which isn’t an excuse by any means) is a lot of time, and if you knew what you were talking about you would actually know that he got 12 years.”

Excuses Kiks. And who cares if he got 400 years, its about the time served.

kiks kiks 1:59 pm 07 Jan 11

I’m pretty sure you don’t actually know what happened Mulberry, i’m not going to defend what happened that day, but i can tell you i saw the footage and know exactly what occurred that morning, and this young man has and will continue to pay his time for the rest of his life, 7 years for a 20 year old young offender who was drug affected at the time (which isn’t an excuse by any means) is a lot of time, and if you knew what you were talking about you would actually know that he got 12 years.

BerraBoy68 BerraBoy68 12:25 pm 27 Sep 10

JC said :

BerraBoy68 said :

The man that died was a lovely old bloke. I used to chat to him and his wife when they walked their dogs down on Kippax oval. While I’m trying to be dispassionate in considering the length of time the offender has served, seven year just doesn’t seem right, even for manslaughter. I suppose this argument will come down whether you believe prison is for punishment or for rehabilitation.

So if he was an old bastard it would have made a difference?

Out of interest how did this guy die. Cannot recall the case myself?

JC, 7 years for taking an innocent life isn’t a good outcome. Even if he was an old bastard and was killed minding his own business I’d still feel the same way. In this case the man was in the shop buying some stuff when the shop was held up. The victim, some might say stupidly, tried to apprehend the criminal when he was stabbed. The offender claimed the stabbing was an accident caused by the resulting scuffle. Seems to me, however, if you take a knife to a hold up and you end up stabbing someone, it’s no accident.

georgesgenitals georgesgenitals 7:38 am 27 Sep 10

Mulberry said :

Gobbo said :

Mulberry said :

I am familiar with BOTH sides… He shouldnt be allowed out@

Why is it that after you syringe rant I SERIOUSLY doubt that you are familiar with anything other than sensationalism?

I guess can’t understand it really.

yeah its hard to understand things when you have half a brain… seriousley, what kind of person are you to make a judgement on me such as this?

People who complain about ‘being judged’ are usually those who judge themselves harshly. I wonder why they do that?

Mulberry Mulberry 1:09 am 27 Sep 10

Gobbo said :

Mulberry said :

I am familiar with BOTH sides… He shouldnt be allowed out@

Why is it that after you syringe rant I SERIOUSLY doubt that you are familiar with anything other than sensationalism?

I guess can’t understand it really.

yeah its hard to understand things when you have half a brain… seriousley, what kind of person are you to make a judgement on me such as this?

Gobbo Gobbo 7:41 am 18 Sep 10

Mulberry said :

I am familiar with BOTH sides… He shouldnt be allowed out@

Why is it that after you syringe rant I SERIOUSLY doubt that you are familiar with anything other than sensationalism?

I guess can’t understand it really.

georgesgenitals georgesgenitals 6:44 am 18 Sep 10

JTACT said :

NickD said :

I take it that you’re familiar with all details of the case and the offender’s conduct in jail then? (if so, could you please expand?) Or are you just having a knee-jerk reaction?

AHH NICKD, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE OFFENDERS CONDUCT IN JAIL ?? KNOW THIS PERSON DO YOU ??
FILL US IN – HOW WAS HIS CONDUCT IN JAIL ? YOU GOING TO OFFER HIM A ROOM TILL HE GETS BACK ON HIS FEET ??

Back on his feet? Really?

Mulberry Mulberry 2:51 am 18 Sep 10

I am familiar with BOTH sides… He shouldnt be allowed out@

KB1971 KB1971 3:10 pm 13 Sep 10

JTACT said :

NickD said :

I take it that you’re familiar with all details of the case and the offender’s conduct in jail then? (if so, could you please expand?) Or are you just having a knee-jerk reaction?

AHH NICKD, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE OFFENDERS CONDUCT IN JAIL ?? KNOW THIS PERSON DO YOU ??
FILL US IN – HOW WAS HIS CONDUCT IN JAIL ? YOU GOING TO OFFER HIM A ROOM TILL HE GETS BACK ON HIS FEET ??

Is your caps lock jammed??

JTACT JTACT 1:38 pm 13 Sep 10

NickD said :

I take it that you’re familiar with all details of the case and the offender’s conduct in jail then? (if so, could you please expand?) Or are you just having a knee-jerk reaction?

AHH NICKD, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE OFFENDERS CONDUCT IN JAIL ?? KNOW THIS PERSON DO YOU ??
FILL US IN – HOW WAS HIS CONDUCT IN JAIL ? YOU GOING TO OFFER HIM A ROOM TILL HE GETS BACK ON HIS FEET ??

p1 p1 10:13 am 13 Sep 10

TAD said :

See page 6

Link to: Case study 3: R v Leon Beyer

Justice Higgins commented during sentencing that if the incident occurred in
any other jurisdiction, it would constitute murder….

But this is Canberra.

Disclaimer, I know several of the people involved directly and indirectly.

JC JC 6:35 pm 12 Sep 10

BerraBoy68 said :

The man that died was a lovely old bloke. I used to chat to him and his wife when they walked their dogs down on Kippax oval. While I’m trying to be dispassionate in considering the length of time the offender has served, seven year just doesn’t seem right, even for manslaughter. I suppose this argument will come down whether you believe prison is for punishment or for rehabilitation.

So if he was an old bastard it would have made a difference?

Out of interest how did this guy die. Cannot recall the case myself?

Mulberry Mulberry 5:19 pm 12 Sep 10

Me no fry said :

I really dislike the use of phrases like “robbery gone bad”, as to me it sounds like an exculpatory statement. quote]

Your abolutely right. Poor choice of words by me!

John Moulis John Moulis 2:12 pm 12 Sep 10

Light sentencing in Canberra is nothing new. In August 1987 during a fete at Holder High School the son of a local policeman was kicked in the throat by a student from Weston High. The Holder High student was killed instantly. A year later the trial was held and the outrage over the defence case – which included trite claims such as “kids think they’re playing a computer game and they don’t know about cause and effect” – resulted in the establishment of the Victims of Crime Assistance League. The Weston High student was found guilty and sent to juvenile detention. Four years later (1992) when I was working at Cooleman Court I saw the murderer walking around with his mates without a care in the world. What price a life?

BimboGeek BimboGeek 1:51 pm 12 Sep 10

Rehabilitation should be the goal after a criminal has been found guilty but unfortunately too many of us are too angry at prisoners to truly grant them the “luxury” of the psychotherapy, education and other support that would genuinely rehabilitate them. So instead there is no political way to institute such programmes and we leave our judges with the dilemma of balancing prison sentences long enough to deter the others (and this one from re-offending) against those short enough that the person can still get on with their life when they are released.

BerraBoy68 BerraBoy68 11:44 am 12 Sep 10

The man that died was a lovely old bloke. I used to chat to him and his wife when they walked their dogs down on Kippax oval. While I’m trying to be dispassionate in considering the length of time the offender has served, seven year just doesn’t seem right, even for manslaughter. I suppose this argument will come down whether you believe prison is for punishment or for rehabilitation.

Me no fry Me no fry 11:07 am 12 Sep 10

I really dislike the use of phrases like “robbery gone bad”, as to me it sounds like an exculpatory statement. “Yeah, all I wanted to do was just grab the money but the guy just wouldn’t let go, and the knife sort of went in. Why didn’t he just let me have the money like he was supposed to?” Poor little me, look at the trouble I’m in.

Robbery is bad, full stop. You don’t know what people are going to do under extreme pressure. You might go into a shop just to steal money and end up committing murder (well, not in the ACT, obviously…)

I’m not saying 7 years is or isn’t adequate for this crime, but I will say that 7 years is a pretty reasonable chunk of time in anyone’s book. Imprisonment is a funny thing – short sentences may work for some crimes, while other crimes demand long sentences that realistically mean the offender may never get out. But that leaves a lot of middle ground, and that’s where you just have to trust the justice system to get it right at least some of the time.

dvaey dvaey 10:19 am 12 Sep 10

7 years? In the ACT? Did we have an interstate judge filling in for the regulars? In 2010 that would have been pled down to manslaughter and gotten him 6 months of optional weekend detention.

Although, it could have ended up like another fatal stabbing in west Belconnen, which 4yrs after the event, hasnt even been to court yet, at least this case had swift justice, and pretty stiff by ACT standards.

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