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By John Hargreaves 24 July 2014 33

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I’m connected with a agency supporting people who are dealing with significant drug issues in their lives. But one of the the hidden issues around the use of so called illegal drugs is the application of some drugs for positive therapeutic use.

I speak of the application of marijuana for pain control in the terminal patients.

I can’t see what the objection is for the use of any drug if it is going to ease the exit of those facing the most terrifying of probabilities.

If some medico tells me that I have a limited time on this earth and tells me when I’m going out of the transit lounge, I will want to go with the least amount of trauma and pain.

Is it too much to ask that someone helps me to exit with a minimum of pain and distress? If I’m on the way out, where is the harm in my having a joint? Having a marijuana cookie? Who should care about this but me?

I’m not talking about helping me go but helping me how I go.

How about we stop pontificating about this stuff and legalise it for the terminally ill? Let them go, for God’s sake and let them go without enduring a pain filled last half hour…

I reckon that the Greens are odd people but in this case they are right. We have compassion for the living at times, we can have compassion for those left behind, how about some for the dying?

Anyone want to disagree with me? Let’s see…

What’s Your opinion?


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dungfungus 10:03 pm 28 Jul 14

HenryBG said :

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/07/27/opinion/sunday/high-time-marijuana-legalization.html?ref=opinion

“It took 13 years for the United States to come to its senses and end Prohibition, 13 years in which people kept drinking, otherwise law-abiding citizens became criminals and crime syndicates arose and flourished.

It has been more than 40 years since Congress passed the current ban on marijuana, inflicting great harm on society just to prohibit a substance far less dangerous than alcohol.

The federal government should repeal the ban on marijuana.”

And that’s the NYT.

Who reads the New York Times other than progressive lefties?

HenryBG 3:55 pm 28 Jul 14

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/07/27/opinion/sunday/high-time-marijuana-legalization.html?ref=opinion

“It took 13 years for the United States to come to its senses and end Prohibition, 13 years in which people kept drinking, otherwise law-abiding citizens became criminals and crime syndicates arose and flourished.

It has been more than 40 years since Congress passed the current ban on marijuana, inflicting great harm on society just to prohibit a substance far less dangerous than alcohol.

The federal government should repeal the ban on marijuana.”

And that’s the NYT.

Antagonist 11:51 am 27 Jul 14

mezza76 said :

Antagonist said :

mezza76 said :

Masquara said :

John Hargreaves hasn’t addressed the issue of links between marijuana use and schizophrenia – and the issue that today’s cannabis is many times stronger than the form he would have known in his drug experimenting days (if he had such). It’s just not quite that simple!

Completely agree. Some of the above comments about marijuana being ‘safe’ is just rubbish. It’s a drug that has had numerous trials by many medical researchers and its found to have significant negative medical effects, with prolonged use wrecking peoples mental health.
http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana

What do you suppose the long-term effects of using prescription opium derivatives including Codeine or Oxycodone might be like? Do you think the long-term health effects for opium derivatives are better or worse than those for marijuana users? If you had to make a choice (as many people do) between long-term health effects from medical marijuana, versus long-term health effects from opium derivatives, which would you choose?

Stop trying to try the issue to others – legalising this drug improves its recreational use – its that simple. And im all for providing medical marijuana and other pain reducing drugs under clinical supervision.

It is not about trying it to others, nor is this a hypothetical. It is a choice that I have watched my wife make nearly every day for more than 10 years: a choice between being drugged into stupidity and constipation with very strong opium derivatives (Edone, oxycontin etc) prescribed by a doctor, or have a cone instead. I would prefer her to have a cone any day of the week – and she prefers it that way too. Under the status quo the only winners are pharmaceutical companies and my wifes pot dealer.

jasmine 12:49 pm 26 Jul 14

I can’t see a problem with your viewpoint John. If medical marijuana can ease someone’s pain and medical conditions why not. I watched Landline recently where a similar mindset is inhibiting the potential for the hemp industry to produce seed and oil (of the safe non-hallucinogenic variety). Unfortunately resistance has been due to political factors rather than reason and rational thought.

I think the public could be convinced with more information in the public arena explaining the differences, then the vote-conscious politicians might move with public opinion. (I know this doesn’t always work such as in the case of marriage equality)

fair go ned 12:09 am 26 Jul 14

Fair go!

We should of legalized it years ago

dungfungus 7:32 pm 25 Jul 14

astrojax said :

John Hargreaves Ex MLA said :

Much of the comments talk about recreational use and the supposed harmful effects . Schizophrenia was cited by one poster.

The issue is if has been found to ease pain, why not allow it under medical supervision for the dying? if I am gonna die in the next few weeks, I am not worried abut the long term possibilities. I just want pain relief.

In terms of the incurable chronically disabled who are in great pain but of no risk of dying shortly, I am in favour of them being allowed to access medially supervised doses of marijuana. These people don’t want to access the drug for the sake of it, to go on a trip somewhere in the universe.

They want pain relief. Simple…

The salient point is that the drug would be available for specified medical conditions and administered under medical supervision.

there is of course a related issue among all this discussion on hwich we have all been silent – legislation to permit the growing of hemp for fibre and other uses. Where do you stand on this, Mr H? particularly as the hemp grown for industrial purposes is entirely ineffectual for pain relief and associated recreational practices. why has this been off the table as a discussion for so long? and is canberra a region / climate in which it can be commercially grown?

It could be grown discretely between the rows of PV collectors at the Royalla, Symonston and Urriara solar factories.
Then they could rightly call them “farms”.

HenryBG 5:12 pm 25 Jul 14

astrojax said :

mezza said legalising this drug improves its recreational use – its that simple.

improves? sure most stoners would be all for that… or did you mean ‘increases’? well, suporting evidence on that one, please.

simple huh? it’s been unlawful for about ever and yet proliferates vastly. how would its legalisation enhance the amount of use and the problems associated with that? please do tell…

He has an assertion and it seems unlikely he has any facts or data to support it.

The experience of a country which decriminalised drug-taking is probably a better source of information than such empty assertions:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/evaluating-drug-decriminalization-in-portugal-12-years-later-a-891060-2.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_Portugal

It seems the problems associated with drugs are *decreased* by decriminisation:
– lower criminal justice stats
– less money being earned by criminals
– less HIV
– fewer junkies
– fewer kids taking drugs

astrojax 4:34 pm 25 Jul 14

John Hargreaves Ex MLA said :

Much of the comments talk about recreational use and the supposed harmful effects . Schizophrenia was cited by one poster.

The issue is if has been found to ease pain, why not allow it under medical supervision for the dying? if I am gonna die in the next few weeks, I am not worried abut the long term possibilities. I just want pain relief.

In terms of the incurable chronically disabled who are in great pain but of no risk of dying shortly, I am in favour of them being allowed to access medially supervised doses of marijuana. These people don’t want to access the drug for the sake of it, to go on a trip somewhere in the universe.

They want pain relief. Simple…

The salient point is that the drug would be available for specified medical conditions and administered under medical supervision.

there is of course a related issue among all this discussion on hwich we have all been silent – legislation to permit the growing of hemp for fibre and other uses. Where do you stand on this, Mr H? particularly as the hemp grown for industrial purposes is entirely ineffectual for pain relief and associated recreational practices. why has this been off the table as a discussion for so long? and is canberra a region / climate in which it can be commercially grown?

John Hargreaves Ex MLA 4:20 pm 25 Jul 14

Much of the comments talk about recreational use and the supposed harmful effects . Schizophrenia was cited by one poster.

The issue is if has been found to ease pain, why not allow it under medical supervision for the dying? if I am gonna die in the next few weeks, I am not worried abut the long term possibilities. I just want pain relief.

In terms of the incurable chronically disabled who are in great pain but of no risk of dying shortly, I am in favour of them being allowed to access medially supervised doses of marijuana. These people don’t want to access the drug for the sake of it, to go on a trip somewhere in the universe. They want pain relief. Simple…

The salient point is that the drug would be available for specified medical conditions and administered under medical supervision.

astrojax 12:57 pm 25 Jul 14

mezza said legalising this drug improves its recreational use – its that simple.

improves? sure most stoners would be all for that… or did you mean ‘increases’? well, suporting evidence on that one, please.

simple huh? it’s been unlawful for about ever and yet proliferates vastly. how would its legalisation enhance the amount of use and the problems associated with that? please do tell…

HenryBG 11:04 am 25 Jul 14

niftydog said :

mezza76 said :

Completely agree. Some of the above comments about marijuana being ‘safe’ is just rubbish…
http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana

Why does that website not have a similar page about alcohol?! That’s a safe drug too, isn’t it?

Well, they tried prohibiting alcohol and all that produced was a multi-billion-dollar international business we call “the mafia”, plus it didn’t stop people getting their hands on alcohol anyway.

The prohibition of Cannabis on the hand hand has been an enormous success, which is why people like “mezza” continue to support it.

mezza76 10:14 am 25 Jul 14

Antagonist said :

mezza76 said :

Masquara said :

John Hargreaves hasn’t addressed the issue of links between marijuana use and schizophrenia – and the issue that today’s cannabis is many times stronger than the form he would have known in his drug experimenting days (if he had such). It’s just not quite that simple!

Completely agree. Some of the above comments about marijuana being ‘safe’ is just rubbish. It’s a drug that has had numerous trials by many medical researchers and its found to have significant negative medical effects, with prolonged use wrecking peoples mental health.
http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana

What do you suppose the long-term effects of using prescription opium derivatives including Codeine or Oxycodone might be like? Do you think the long-term health effects for opium derivatives are better or worse than those for marijuana users? If you had to make a choice (as many people do) between long-term health effects from medical marijuana, versus long-term health effects from opium derivatives, which would you choose?

Stop trying to try the issue to others – legalising this drug improves its recreational use – its that simple. And im all for providing medical marijuana and other pain reducing drugs under clinical supervision.

niftydog said :

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

I also have a cousin who is a stoner… He is, frankly, a drain on both his family and on society.

I know people like that who’ve never touched a joint in their life.

I also know a couple of long term, 6 cones a day (or more) users who hold down high paying, high responsibility jobs, are in stable long term relationships, own their own houses and have never claimed a cent of welfare in their lives.

The vast majority of pot users are just normal, everyday people. Just like the vast majority of alcohol or nicotine users are.

mezza76 said :

Completely agree. Some of the above comments about marijuana being ‘safe’ is just rubbish…
http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana

Why does that website not have a similar page about alcohol?! That’s a safe drug too, isn’t it?

So we have one drug that is abused, costs the taxpaying public billions in medical costs from alcohol related violence and other medical impacts, therefore we should have more. Well done.

VYBerlinaV8_is_back 10:13 am 25 Jul 14

niftydog said :

I know people like that who’ve never touched a joint in their life.

I also know a couple of long term, 6 cones a day (or more) users who hold down high paying, high responsibility jobs, are in stable long term relationships, own their own houses and have never claimed a cent of welfare in their lives.

The vast majority of pot users are just normal, everyday people. Just like the vast majority of alcohol or nicotine users are.

I completely agree. And given that there are people who exist at either end of the spectrum, as well as everywhere in between (much like consumers of nicotine or alcohol) then it makes sense to me to legalise, regulate and tax it. People will use it anyway, so we might as well do what we can to remove criminality and regulate its use.

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