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Libs renew vow to stop light rail

By Charlotte Harper - 18 May 2016 32

Alister Coe

The Canberra Liberals have renewed their vow to stop light rail, describing yesterday’s announcement that contracts have been signed and work will begin on the project next month as “the most arrogant act in the ACT’s history”.

They have also called on the Government to publish the full contract and any sub-contracts in full.

“For years we have been raising concerns about this project which are echoed by thousands of Canberrans and countless financial, transport and economic experts,” Leader of the Opposition Jeremy Hanson and Shadow Minister for Transport Alistair Coe said yesterday.

“People could be forgiven for thinking that the government is trying to blackmail Canberrans. The government has actively worked against the best interests of ratepayers by putting the CFMEU’s and a global consortium’s interests ahead of Canberra families,” Mr Hanson said.

Mr Coe said there were serious unanswered questions about the legitimacy of the contract on the back of a previously existing Memorandum of Understanding between UnionsACT and the ACT government.

“These concerns have also been raised by the Canberra Metro consortium,” he said.

“Given this MOU seems to underpin all procurement, there are questions about the tender process for light rail which must be investigated. Therefore, the legality of this contract is potentially in doubt.

“The Canberra Liberals will stop light rail if we are elected in October. We have made our intentions clear and people can vote accordingly. If we are elected, it is because the people of Canberra have given us a clear mandate to stop this project because of the bad financial, economic and transport outcomes.”

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Libs renew vow to stop light rail
Mordd 12:29 am 19 May 16

gazket said :

Holden Caulfield said :

madelini said :

Maybe the naysayers and parties need to look at other countries are doing about pollution from vehicles urging people to get onto bikes and trams. http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/may/17/how-are-cities-around-the-world-tackling-air-pollution

Canberra cannot just keep adding more and more cars to the mix. There is finite space in North Canberra. Time to embrace the vision.

How does a train from Gungahlin to Civic fix that for the 98% of Canberrans who don’t live on the train corridor ?

Gungahlin to City is a close and easy ride on a fairly inexpensive motorcycle or scooter . You could buy 140,000 $5k retail price motorcycles for $700m . They could be electric as well with such a bulk order.

Um, only 2% of Canberra lives in Gungahlin? You got a stat to back thatup? I call BS. Also what about the ppl along the line closer to the city. I think those plus Gungahlin is probably closer to about 1 in 4 or somewhere in that region. Hardly an insignificant percentage of the population. And if you aren’t serviced by the tram, then just vote Labor or Greens at the election later this year and they will expand the network, everyone wins!

Also ACT Libs are WAY out of step with their Federal counterparts on this, this should bother people more I think.

JC 11:26 pm 18 May 16

steveu said :

gazket said :

Garfield said :

We could have considered this:
http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/13m-skyrail-track-proposed-for-sa/news-story/f9332d14d295f50a0f8940189e5966a0

Coming from someone who is so concerned about the asthetics of a tram catenary wire, I am surrpised you would consider an elevated track an sensible alternative. But i do understand your for anything that isn’t an ‘old’ tram… Including old technology cars and the like.

And I love the picture of the skyway in the link below. Especially the support in the middle of the road. Imagine what would happen if a car, bus or truck hit that!

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/extransport-chief-rod-hook-unveils-13m-elevated-driverless-skyway-train-plan-for-flinders-university/news-story/3843458239a66608245c942690ac6afc

Exactly the response I was expecting from you JC.
How many cars, buses and trucks have hit a tree in Northbourne Avenue? What was the outcome.
A car hit a tram in Melbourne earlier this week and the tram was derailed and ran into a house bed room! Surely you saw that in the media.
The pylons are spaced at 50m which is enough to straddle most Canberra intersections. And the system doesn’t necessarily have to use designated transport corridors.
Where is your “vision”?
A lot of catenerys are being removed in Europe as trams are retro-fitted with expensive (but cool and sexy) battery systems. Inevitably, this will happen in Canberra.

Yeah been a few vehicles hit a tree, vehicle comes off second best. Car hit tram yep car and tram came off second best and house, so what?

But hit one of the supports on that system you are peddling then two carriage worth of people could well come crashing down with possible multiple deaths. And what of the aesthetics hey. Shocking, especially the above ground stations.

And PS there are not a lot of systems being modified O/S to go centenary free and having trams retrofitted. Only line I can think of is Birmingham where there is an extension to New Street Station of their very successful line. There their second generation trams were ordered with retrofitting in mind as they knew they were going to extended the line when ordered. Oh the model they use is the CAF Urbos3, the same model proposed for Canberra. The same model that comes OFF the shelf with battery, or the ability to put it in later, with no major retrofitting expense. The expense is the pack itself.

Additionally there are a number of NEW systems and lines being planned that have catenary free operation. Though of course these are sections not complete lines.

Some cities and manufacturers have tinkered with lines that are completely catenary free, but they have not proven to be that successful nor cost effective. So the way to go is catenary free where it is really needed and catenary elsewhere.

Northborne Ave isn’t one such place, and besides it would still be a lot more aesthetically pleasing then the skyrail thingy you are peddling.

JC 11:13 pm 18 May 16

gazket said :

Holden Caulfield said :

madelini said :

Maybe the naysayers and parties need to look at other countries are doing about pollution from vehicles urging people to get onto bikes and trams. http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/may/17/how-are-cities-around-the-world-tackling-air-pollution

Canberra cannot just keep adding more and more cars to the mix. There is finite space in North Canberra. Time to embrace the vision.

How does a train from Gungahlin to Civic fix that for the 98% of Canberrans who don’t live on the train corridor ?

It is irrelevant how many as a percentage of the total population live on the corridor. What matters is how many people live on the corridor and if that is sufficient to justify the light rail.

Nilrem 9:19 pm 18 May 16

gazket said :

Holden Caulfield said :

madelini said :

Maybe the naysayers and parties need to look at other countries are doing about pollution from vehicles urging people to get onto bikes and trams. http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/may/17/how-are-cities-around-the-world-tackling-air-pollution

Canberra cannot just keep adding more and more cars to the mix. There is finite space in North Canberra. Time to embrace the vision.

How does a train from Gungahlin to Civic fix that for the 98% of Canberrans who don’t live on the train corridor ?

Gungahlin to City is a close and easy ride on a fairly inexpensive motorcycle or scooter . You could buy 140,000 $5k retail price motorcycles for $700m . They could be electric as well with such a bulk order.

Plenty of people in other cities drive to rail stations and park. Or heaven forbid, cycle or walk a little way!

dungfungus 8:24 pm 18 May 16

John Moulis said :

steveu said :

A lot of catenerys are being removed in Europe as trams are retro-fitted with expensive (but cool and sexy) battery systems. Inevitably, this will happen in Canberra.

Then you should be pleased that the tram system will be there to allow this to happen. “cool and sexy” were how you described this.

You missed “and expensive”. This does not make me happy.

gazket 8:15 pm 18 May 16

Holden Caulfield said :

madelini said :

Maybe the naysayers and parties need to look at other countries are doing about pollution from vehicles urging people to get onto bikes and trams. http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/may/17/how-are-cities-around-the-world-tackling-air-pollution

Canberra cannot just keep adding more and more cars to the mix. There is finite space in North Canberra. Time to embrace the vision.

How does a train from Gungahlin to Civic fix that for the 98% of Canberrans who don’t live on the train corridor ?

Gungahlin to City is a close and easy ride on a fairly inexpensive motorcycle or scooter . You could buy 140,000 $5k retail price motorcycles for $700m . They could be electric as well with such a bulk order.

HiddenDragon 6:30 pm 18 May 16

In the event that there is a change of (ACT) Government later this year, and the costs (financial and otherwise) of “stopping light rail” prove to be prohibitive, annual ACT Rates Assessment Notices should be amended to include a Light Rail Levy.

This would serve as a reminder to all ratepayers, right up to the time of the 2020 ACT election, of the ongoing cost to the ACT Budget of this decision.

Maya123 5:52 pm 18 May 16

steveu said :

A lot of catenerys are being removed in Europe as trams are retro-fitted with expensive (but cool and sexy) battery systems. Inevitably, this will happen in Canberra.

Then you should be pleased that the tram system will be there to allow this to happen. “cool and sexy” were how you described this.

dungfungus 5:25 pm 18 May 16

gazket said :

Garfield said :

We could have considered this:
http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/13m-skyrail-track-proposed-for-sa/news-story/f9332d14d295f50a0f8940189e5966a0

Coming from someone who is so concerned about the asthetics of a tram catenary wire, I am surrpised you would consider an elevated track an sensible alternative. But i do understand your for anything that isn’t an ‘old’ tram… Including old technology cars and the like.

And I love the picture of the skyway in the link below. Especially the support in the middle of the road. Imagine what would happen if a car, bus or truck hit that!

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/extransport-chief-rod-hook-unveils-13m-elevated-driverless-skyway-train-plan-for-flinders-university/news-story/3843458239a66608245c942690ac6afc

Exactly the response I was expecting from you JC.
How many cars, buses and trucks have hit a tree in Northbourne Avenue? What was the outcome.
A car hit a tram in Melbourne earlier this week and the tram was derailed and ran into a house bed room! Surely you saw that in the media.
The pylons are spaced at 50m which is enough to straddle most Canberra intersections. And the system doesn’t necessarily have to use designated transport corridors.
Where is your “vision”?
A lot of catenerys are being removed in Europe as trams are retro-fitted with expensive (but cool and sexy) battery systems. Inevitably, this will happen in Canberra.

JC 3:01 pm 18 May 16

Garfield said :

We could have considered this:
http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/13m-skyrail-track-proposed-for-sa/news-story/f9332d14d295f50a0f8940189e5966a0

Coming from someone who is so concerned about the asthetics of a tram catenary wire, I am surrpised you would consider an elevated track an sensible alternative. But i do understand your for anything that isn’t an ‘old’ tram… Including old technology cars and the like.

And I love the picture of the skyway in the link below. Especially the support in the middle of the road. Imagine what would happen if a car, bus or truck hit that!

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/extransport-chief-rod-hook-unveils-13m-elevated-driverless-skyway-train-plan-for-flinders-university/news-story/3843458239a66608245c942690ac6afc

henryans 2:50 pm 18 May 16

Embrace the vision? How so?
Can’t add more cars why?
Just putting greenie flipant catch phrases doesnt count for much.
A project like this is only viable if there is a need for it, and that means you roll it out to cover all major hubs in Canberra or not.
You don’t implement into Gungahlin where the green social engineers following the UN Agenda 21 plan, have created suburbs that have no transport links out, that fit in with the so called sustainable development doctrine.
Gold Coast can do it, as they have high density housing all along the tram line, tourists that can use it, where by here in Canberra you’ll have exactly the same situation with loss making buses. Full at peak hour and empty the rest of the time.
When you have the Labor government lying on hospital performance, fixing stats and figures to make something look good, when in fact we have the most expensive hospital system in Australia and the worst performing.
If you cant get the basics right, why should I embrace the green social engineering vision? Under what trsut model is that?
Wake up

dungfungus 1:39 pm 18 May 16
Nilrem 1:07 pm 18 May 16

madelini said :

Maybe the naysayers and parties need to look at other countries are doing about pollution from vehicles urging people to get onto bikes and trams. http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/may/17/how-are-cities-around-the-world-tackling-air-pollution

Canberra cannot just keep adding more and more cars to the mix. There is finite space in North Canberra. Time to embrace the vision.

rubaiyat 1:04 pm 18 May 16

Should be called the Thelma and Louise Party, heading for the cliff in their convertible with the foot on the accelerator.

Zan 9:48 am 18 May 16

Maybe the naysayers and parties need to look at other countries are doing about pollution from vehicles urging people to get onto bikes and trams. http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/may/17/how-are-cities-around-the-world-tackling-air-pollution

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