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Light rail consultation backs Parkes, Barton route for Woden stage

By Ian Bushnell 23 August 2017 30

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The next stage of light rail should take in City West and pass through Parkes and Barton on its way to Woden, according to the results of the community consultation process conducted between 1 May and 11 June.

The consultation report said that there was strong support for this route so that Light Rail Stage 2 could capitalise on education and employment hubs, and proximity to cultural institutions and events by Lake Burley Griffin.

Minister for Transport and City Services, Meegan Fitzharris said that the Your Say online survey drew 4,772 responses on preferred route options, alignment and stops.

“The report indicates that 75 per cent of respondents support a route that travels through Parkes and Barton,” she said.

Many respondents thought there should be additional stops in Barton to service employment hubs and provide better access to Manuka Oval and shopping precincts.

Ms Fitzharris said respondents also believed this route would serve a large number of commuters and allow for future stages to continue on to Fyshwick and Queanbeyan.

The report said there was support for light rail to continue to the Canberra Hospital but doubts were raised about how convenient it would be to the hospital entrance and the implications for the future southern extensions of the network.

“Further investigation of the possible route to the Canberra Hospital has identified potential technical constraints to the future southern expansion of the network and potential operational and hospital access issues,” it said.

It said a range of additional alternative routes were suggested including traveling along Melbourne Avenue or King Edward Terrace, through Deakin, and extending to Mawson.

The consultation found alignment selection should be based on the location of the stop, route and likely access for pedestrians, with safety paramount.

Respondents also believed additional pedestrian infrastructure was important in the event of median alignment along busy roads such as Adelaide Avenue.

The report said there was concern about how visual amenity and heritage sites along the proposed route would be managed.

Commuters also want to know more about how light rail will integrate with other transport modes and contribute to other key urban renewal projects, and want further consultation on these issues.

Ms Fitzharris said that there would be more opportunities for Canberrans to have their say on broader issues identified along the southern corridor while the Government developed the Stage 2 business case later in the year or early 2018.

The consultation reached 4,772 people via Your Say ACT, sent emails to over 150 organisations and schools, visited businesses and shopping centres throughout Canberra and distributed over 2,990 brochures and newsletters. It delivered eight presentations to 199 people, received 1,796 items of written feedback, spoke to 587 individuals and reached a social media audience of almost 40,000.

To view the Light Rail Update, including the consultation summary report, visit https://www.yoursay.act.gov.au/LRS2

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dungfungus 9:41 pm 28 Aug 17

JC said :

dungfungus said :

JC said :

dungfungus said :

JC said :

ChrisinTurner said :

A major problem with the light rail to Woden will be the doubling of journey time compared with the current buses (12 minutes) using their own dedicated lane (calculated using the average operating speed claimed for Stage 1). Diverting the route through Forrest, Barton and Parkes will likely make it three times as long. With only half the percentage of seats of buses, many passengers will be strap-hanging unless elderly or disabled. The secret “technical constraints” obviously make a mockery of the government’s claims of transparency and consultation.

You are making an assumption that light rail is replacing the buses which run essentially express from Woden to the City (yeah a couple of stops) as opposed to light rail being an addition that services the corridor it runs through. The government hasn’t actually announced what it will be.

Well, the assumption is well founded given that TCCS are withdrawing the ACTION express busses from Gungahlin to be replaced by the (slower) trams on Stage 1.

What express buses are these Dungers? Might surprise you but except for route 202 all buses from gungahlin to the City are stopping services not express. And there are only about 3 or 4 202’s each way in the peaks.

And from what I hear the 25x services from the deep burbs of Gungahlin in the peaks will be changed into express buses similar to what services Tuggeranong and Gungahlin by re routing this avoiding Flemington Road and Northborne Ave. Think Gungahlin drive. With light rail servicing the corridor which it is designed to do and as the inter town route during the odd peaks.

The Route 202 Express service mentioned here: http://www.mygungahlin.com.au/posts/changes-to-action-bus-services-for-gungahlin-from-next-week

As I said about 4 a day each way that are express. The other 20+ buses each day down that road (200, 25x etc), the ones many say are being replaced by 12 light rail services are all stops anyway.

The Red Rapid 200 series limited stop service connects Gungahlin and City then Russell, Barton, Kingston and Fyshwick with busses departing every 15 minutes from 7am to 7pm and more frequently in peak times. Busses currently stop near Lysaght Street in Mitchell.
None of the trams are stopping anywhere in Mitchell to service passengers.

JC 5:41 pm 28 Aug 17

dungfungus said :

JC said :

dungfungus said :

JC said :

ChrisinTurner said :

A major problem with the light rail to Woden will be the doubling of journey time compared with the current buses (12 minutes) using their own dedicated lane (calculated using the average operating speed claimed for Stage 1). Diverting the route through Forrest, Barton and Parkes will likely make it three times as long. With only half the percentage of seats of buses, many passengers will be strap-hanging unless elderly or disabled. The secret “technical constraints” obviously make a mockery of the government’s claims of transparency and consultation.

You are making an assumption that light rail is replacing the buses which run essentially express from Woden to the City (yeah a couple of stops) as opposed to light rail being an addition that services the corridor it runs through. The government hasn’t actually announced what it will be.

Well, the assumption is well founded given that TCCS are withdrawing the ACTION express busses from Gungahlin to be replaced by the (slower) trams on Stage 1.

What express buses are these Dungers? Might surprise you but except for route 202 all buses from gungahlin to the City are stopping services not express. And there are only about 3 or 4 202’s each way in the peaks.

And from what I hear the 25x services from the deep burbs of Gungahlin in the peaks will be changed into express buses similar to what services Tuggeranong and Gungahlin by re routing this avoiding Flemington Road and Northborne Ave. Think Gungahlin drive. With light rail servicing the corridor which it is designed to do and as the inter town route during the odd peaks.

The Route 202 Express service mentioned here: http://www.mygungahlin.com.au/posts/changes-to-action-bus-services-for-gungahlin-from-next-week

As I said about 4 a day each way that are express. The other 20+ buses each day down that road (200, 25x etc), the ones many say are being replaced by 12 light rail services are all stops anyway.

dungfungus 9:50 am 26 Aug 17

On ABC 666 Radio this morning, the announcer was constantly reminding listeners of “the mess” outside the studios on the corner of Northbourne and Macarthur Avenues and the traffic chaos that was ensuing because no right turns could be made and through traffic across Northbourne was blocked. He failed to mention what the cause was and I suspect he knew but wasn’t saying.

It’s a good primer on what will probably be a permanent thing when the strap-hangers start rumbling through.

dungfungus 9:43 am 26 Aug 17

wildturkeycanoe said :

JC said :

And from what I hear the 25x services from the deep burbs of Gungahlin in the peaks will be changed into express buses similar to what services Tuggeranong and Gungahlin by re routing this avoiding Flemington Road and Northborne Ave. Think Gungahlin drive. .

Express via the “Gridlocked Drivers Everyday”? Unless one lane is made solely for buses, fat chance of ever becoming “express”. Who thought of this crazy notion?

“Who thought of this crazy notion?”

The same visionaries who brought us the arboretum, A Better Place, pop-up culture, and of late, the not-needed tram network.

wildturkeycanoe 6:53 am 26 Aug 17

JC said :

And from what I hear the 25x services from the deep burbs of Gungahlin in the peaks will be changed into express buses similar to what services Tuggeranong and Gungahlin by re routing this avoiding Flemington Road and Northborne Ave. Think Gungahlin drive. .

Express via the “Gridlocked Drivers Everyday”? Unless one lane is made solely for buses, fat chance of ever becoming “express”. Who thought of this crazy notion?

dungfungus 10:12 pm 25 Aug 17

JC said :

chewy14 said :

JC said :

ChrisinTurner said :

A major problem with the light rail to Woden will be the doubling of journey time compared with the current buses (12 minutes) using their own dedicated lane (calculated using the average operating speed claimed for Stage 1). Diverting the route through Forrest, Barton and Parkes will likely make it three times as long. With only half the percentage of seats of buses, many passengers will be strap-hanging unless elderly or disabled. The secret “technical constraints” obviously make a mockery of the government’s claims of transparency and consultation.

You are making an assumption that light rail is replacing the buses which run essentially express from Woden to the City (yeah a couple of stops) as opposed to light rail being an addition that services the corridor it runs through. The government hasn’t actually announced what it will be.

Well, that would be pretty interesting if they chose not to use it to replace the buses.

They would then have a multi-billion dollar light rail system running parallel to the fraction of a cost buses so we could compare functionality.

Nah, even I don’t think they’re stupid enough to attempt that.

Parallel but with a completely different function which is to service what is along the route. And Woden to the city is a perfect example. The current bus route is pure express with a quick run time. Light rail would be fine along this route as express provided it was feed from elsewhere with stopping then express to the City. But this is not what is being proposed here.

Tram Express = 70 kmh flat out

Bus Express = 80 kmh+

dungfungus 10:09 pm 25 Aug 17

JC said :

dungfungus said :

JC said :

ChrisinTurner said :

A major problem with the light rail to Woden will be the doubling of journey time compared with the current buses (12 minutes) using their own dedicated lane (calculated using the average operating speed claimed for Stage 1). Diverting the route through Forrest, Barton and Parkes will likely make it three times as long. With only half the percentage of seats of buses, many passengers will be strap-hanging unless elderly or disabled. The secret “technical constraints” obviously make a mockery of the government’s claims of transparency and consultation.

You are making an assumption that light rail is replacing the buses which run essentially express from Woden to the City (yeah a couple of stops) as opposed to light rail being an addition that services the corridor it runs through. The government hasn’t actually announced what it will be.

Well, the assumption is well founded given that TCCS are withdrawing the ACTION express busses from Gungahlin to be replaced by the (slower) trams on Stage 1.

What express buses are these Dungers? Might surprise you but except for route 202 all buses from gungahlin to the City are stopping services not express. And there are only about 3 or 4 202’s each way in the peaks.

And from what I hear the 25x services from the deep burbs of Gungahlin in the peaks will be changed into express buses similar to what services Tuggeranong and Gungahlin by re routing this avoiding Flemington Road and Northborne Ave. Think Gungahlin drive. With light rail servicing the corridor which it is designed to do and as the inter town route during the odd peaks.

The Route 202 Express service mentioned here: http://www.mygungahlin.com.au/posts/changes-to-action-bus-services-for-gungahlin-from-next-week

chewy14 9:30 pm 25 Aug 17

JC said :

chewy14 said :

JC said :

ChrisinTurner said :

A major problem with the light rail to Woden will be the doubling of journey time compared with the current buses (12 minutes) using their own dedicated lane (calculated using the average operating speed claimed for Stage 1). Diverting the route through Forrest, Barton and Parkes will likely make it three times as long. With only half the percentage of seats of buses, many passengers will be strap-hanging unless elderly or disabled. The secret “technical constraints” obviously make a mockery of the government’s claims of transparency and consultation.

You are making an assumption that light rail is replacing the buses which run essentially express from Woden to the City (yeah a couple of stops) as opposed to light rail being an addition that services the corridor it runs through. The government hasn’t actually announced what it will be.

Well, that would be pretty interesting if they chose not to use it to replace the buses.

They would then have a multi-billion dollar light rail system running parallel to the fraction of a cost buses so we could compare functionality.

Nah, even I don’t think they’re stupid enough to attempt that.

Parallel but with a completely different function which is to service what is along the route. And Woden to the city is a perfect example. The current bus route is pure express with a quick run time. Light rail would be fine along this route as express provided it was feed from elsewhere with stopping then express to the City. But this is not what is being proposed here.

If you’re correct, it makes the whole idea of light rail here pointless, when you could service the areas quicker for a fraction of the cost with already existing buses. Why on earth would you waste a couple of billion dollars?

The only way it would ever make sense is to replace the buses creating another leg of a north south transport spine.

JC 7:02 pm 25 Aug 17

dungfungus said :

JC said :

ChrisinTurner said :

A major problem with the light rail to Woden will be the doubling of journey time compared with the current buses (12 minutes) using their own dedicated lane (calculated using the average operating speed claimed for Stage 1). Diverting the route through Forrest, Barton and Parkes will likely make it three times as long. With only half the percentage of seats of buses, many passengers will be strap-hanging unless elderly or disabled. The secret “technical constraints” obviously make a mockery of the government’s claims of transparency and consultation.

You are making an assumption that light rail is replacing the buses which run essentially express from Woden to the City (yeah a couple of stops) as opposed to light rail being an addition that services the corridor it runs through. The government hasn’t actually announced what it will be.

Well, the assumption is well founded given that TCCS are withdrawing the ACTION express busses from Gungahlin to be replaced by the (slower) trams on Stage 1.

What express buses are these Dungers? Might surprise you but except for route 202 all buses from gungahlin to the City are stopping services not express. And there are only about 3 or 4 202’s each way in the peaks.

And from what I hear the 25x services from the deep burbs of Gungahlin in the peaks will be changed into express buses similar to what services Tuggeranong and Gungahlin by re routing this avoiding Flemington Road and Northborne Ave. Think Gungahlin drive. With light rail servicing the corridor which it is designed to do and as the inter town route during the odd peaks.

JC 6:56 pm 25 Aug 17

chewy14 said :

JC said :

ChrisinTurner said :

A major problem with the light rail to Woden will be the doubling of journey time compared with the current buses (12 minutes) using their own dedicated lane (calculated using the average operating speed claimed for Stage 1). Diverting the route through Forrest, Barton and Parkes will likely make it three times as long. With only half the percentage of seats of buses, many passengers will be strap-hanging unless elderly or disabled. The secret “technical constraints” obviously make a mockery of the government’s claims of transparency and consultation.

You are making an assumption that light rail is replacing the buses which run essentially express from Woden to the City (yeah a couple of stops) as opposed to light rail being an addition that services the corridor it runs through. The government hasn’t actually announced what it will be.

Well, that would be pretty interesting if they chose not to use it to replace the buses.

They would then have a multi-billion dollar light rail system running parallel to the fraction of a cost buses so we could compare functionality.

Nah, even I don’t think they’re stupid enough to attempt that.

Parallel but with a completely different function which is to service what is along the route. And Woden to the city is a perfect example. The current bus route is pure express with a quick run time. Light rail would be fine along this route as express provided it was feed from elsewhere with stopping then express to the City. But this is not what is being proposed here.

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