Mass resignations from Kaleen Primary School due to ACT wide Dept Ed changes

oldchalky 8 August 2012 72

I cant take this any more, the stress Ive been put under is just too much.

To any interested heres some interesting news for you. Parents be very afraid for your kids schooling next year if they are in year two or below.

Theres a desision thats come from the ACT Education Dept admin and next year ALL early years learning staff will be moved. THIS IS SYSTEM WIDE!!!!

So far it looks like all the junior school teachers at Kaleen PS are moving- thats ALL staff teaching P-2. Thats just one school.

Im going back to Queensalnd. After 5 years Ive shed too many tears working for a government system that just doesnt give a crap about their staff. I wish I had not come and taught in this wretched system.


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LadyxBec LadyxBec 12:44 pm 13 Aug 12

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

oldchalky said :

LadyxBec said :

I for one am glad that you won’t be teaching ACT kids anymore. To be honest, you don’t seem to have a particularly good grasp on written communication.

I challenge you to make no mistakes when put in a similar situation. Crying because of work related stress doesn’t help my thinking or typing.

Is the issue that I made errors in grammar and spelling, or is it that there is going to be a massive dissruption to all children attending P-2 in ACT Ed Dept schools next year?

Don’t feed the trolls. They come here and be jerks because of incredibly sad lives, small dongsrs or both

I do hope you’re not referring to me as a troll.
To oldchalky, actually yes, if I was going to post a rant about changes at my workplace on the internet, I would take the time to check for grammar and spelling errors. For one, it would make people take your concerns more seriously. Plus they might actually understand what it is you’re trying to say.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 9:09 am 11 Aug 12

Antagonist said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Pitchka said :

Gira2617 said :

and these sort of decisions only supports moving my kids to the local catholic school – which is brilliant.

Brilliant, if your catholic…. Catholic schools close to our home only take in the minimum requirements of non catholic children.

Easy fix, just get your kids baptised. onlyb reason i did it was so they could enter the catholic school system.

Why would you do that for? My kids are in a Catholic school. None of us are baptised or christened. We simply pointed out that we prefer the quality and structure of education offered by the school. Too easy.

That’s fine if the school has available placements for that year, but Catholics get first place.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 9:08 am 11 Aug 12

HenryBG said :

pink little birdie said :

UC when I did my degree had approximately 40 students in PE degree first year by final year there was about 30 with about 20 going on to teaching (various reasons not too).

In my first year Educational theroy classes lectures have about 200 students of which approximately 80 are secondry school education teachers, and 120 are primary or early education students.
I believe the degrees have been changed to p-2, 3-8 and 9-12.

So I call shenagains on HenryBG’s “Statistics”

I think you have a poor grasp of statistics, but I’ve attempted to cut out the salient bits.

You have a whole bunch of Primary teachers. They’re just “Primary”, not specialised by subject and therefore we have no information as to how many of them are ball-chasing halfwits.

The secondary students, on the other hand, you say “Approximately 40” from “Approximately 80” of the secondary “teachers”, are PE-studying morons.

So by your admission, Canberra pseudo-Uni’s teacher training has “Approximately” 50% PE teachers.

Just think about that – 50% of the teachers currently being trained as “teachers” do not make a habit of opening up a book on even a weekly basis.

And as far as more precise numbers go – when my cousin studied teaching, she reported to me that about 70 of the 80 teachers in her year were PE teachers, so I assume your numbers are a bit conservative.

As for the illiterate OP of this story – clearly should not be a teacher in the first place.

Yes henrybg, your so called cousin is a reliable source.

kakosi kakosi 10:29 pm 10 Aug 12

It’s arguments like this that convince me I was right to leave teaching many years ago. Nothing has changed at all.

nyssa1976 nyssa1976 6:45 pm 10 Aug 12

Erg0 said :

nyssa1976 said :

Autonomy means that schools will have fewer teachers who are experienced as they are more ‘expensive’. Whilst that cannot be said aloud, it does cause further disruption to your children. For example, Kingsford Smith had a teaching population of 50% who were new or in their first 1-3 years of teaching. I don’t believe I need to go on with that one given the amount of posts on KSS over the years.

You’re sure that’s not because the more experienced teachers were able to get jobs at “better” schools?

I am an experienced teacher and I work in a “better” school, having worked in some of the “worst” schools (note: what you would define as worst not me. I enjoyed my time there). I am in my mid 30s and sit at the top of the pay scale for my level. When I finally have to move on, I will be scrutinised not on my ability to do my job, but on whether or not my future school can fit me into their budget.

TheDancingDjinn TheDancingDjinn 10:50 am 10 Aug 12

qbngeek said :

TheDancingDjinn said :

qbngeek said :

Pitchka said :

Gira2617 said :

and these sort of decisions only supports moving my kids to the local catholic school – which is brilliant.

Brilliant, if your catholic…. Catholic schools close to our home only take in the minimum requirements of non catholic children.

Heh heh, you should have seen the stir when I filled in the application forms for three schools and where they asked for my religion I wrote ‘None of your business as it should have no impact on his education’. We then had an interview at two of them where I advised them that I am a Satanist, my wife is an athiest and my children have no religion until they are older and I will teach them about all the worlds religions and they can choose one, or none, rather than forcing one down their throat as children and telling them a bunch of lies about a magical fairy who controls the world, but is unable to stop suffering (because he is a prick I assume).

I swear I heard the shredder start up as we left the office after each interview. I am still not sure why religious beliefs have anything to do with education.

Why would you fill out forms to get your children into a religious school, only to go in there and be as much of a bigot as you think they are being? If religion has no place for your children, which is fine if that’s your choice – then don’t enroll them in religious schools. You just made yourself look immature and foolish, and not at all intelligent.

Well for your information, it was only because we were trying to get schools outside our area for after school care reasons and were hedging our bets as there was only one public school in the area we wanted. As it turns out we went with the public school and my son has done better than the three other boys that go to the same carer that go to one of the catholic schools we applied to. I also performed better after being moved from catholic education to public and was never keen on sending him to a religious school in the first place, public was my first choice.

Oh, and before telling me how foolish and unintelligent I am answer the question and tell me why religion has anything to do with education. Anyone who believes there is any real relation would in my eyes be the foolish and unintelligent one.

There probably isn’t a reason for religion to be part of education – but in a religious school your putting your kid into religion. If you don’t like religion – which is ok – then don’t bother with filling out their forms, and going into their school, and bothering them with your rudeness. Religion has a place in religious schools, don’t like it, don’t go.
(I am of no religion – im just not a rude person)

Antagonist Antagonist 6:13 pm 09 Aug 12

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Pitchka said :

Gira2617 said :

and these sort of decisions only supports moving my kids to the local catholic school – which is brilliant.

Brilliant, if your catholic…. Catholic schools close to our home only take in the minimum requirements of non catholic children.

Easy fix, just get your kids baptised. onlyb reason i did it was so they could enter the catholic school system.

Why would you do that for? My kids are in a Catholic school. None of us are baptised or christened. We simply pointed out that we prefer the quality and structure of education offered by the school. Too easy.

HenryBG HenryBG 6:12 pm 09 Aug 12

pink little birdie said :

UC when I did my degree had approximately 40 students in PE degree first year by final year there was about 30 with about 20 going on to teaching (various reasons not too).

In my first year Educational theroy classes lectures have about 200 students of which approximately 80 are secondry school education teachers, and 120 are primary or early education students.
I believe the degrees have been changed to p-2, 3-8 and 9-12.

So I call shenagains on HenryBG’s “Statistics”

I think you have a poor grasp of statistics, but I’ve attempted to cut out the salient bits.

You have a whole bunch of Primary teachers. They’re just “Primary”, not specialised by subject and therefore we have no information as to how many of them are ball-chasing halfwits.

The secondary students, on the other hand, you say “Approximately 40” from “Approximately 80” of the secondary “teachers”, are PE-studying morons.

So by your admission, Canberra pseudo-Uni’s teacher training has “Approximately” 50% PE teachers.

Just think about that – 50% of the teachers currently being trained as “teachers” do not make a habit of opening up a book on even a weekly basis.

And as far as more precise numbers go – when my cousin studied teaching, she reported to me that about 70 of the 80 teachers in her year were PE teachers, so I assume your numbers are a bit conservative.

As for the illiterate OP of this story – clearly should not be a teacher in the first place.

VYBerlinaV8_is_back VYBerlinaV8_is_back 4:46 pm 09 Aug 12

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Pitchka said :

FFS no, im Christian Orthodox, i know my f**ken religion.

Jesus Christ.

Catholics are christians, anglicans are christians, methodists are christians.

Why does it take an agnostic to point this out?????

Yep, they come in many different varieties!

colourful sydney racing identity colourful sydney racing identity 4:37 pm 09 Aug 12

If you follow the purported teachings of jesus, you are a christian. It doesn’t matter which sect you are part of.

You may well know your branch of your ‘f**ken religion’ but you clearly don’t know much about any others.

colourful sydney racing identity colourful sydney racing identity 4:30 pm 09 Aug 12

Pitchka said :

FFS no, im Christian Orthodox, i know my f**ken religion.

Jesus Christ.

Catholics are christians, anglicans are christians, methodists are christians.

Why does it take an agnostic to point this out?????

Kerryhemsley Kerryhemsley 4:30 pm 09 Aug 12

Anyone else thinking it might be a good thing that Old Chalky is transitioning to retirement on the Gold Coast?

Pitchka Pitchka 3:56 pm 09 Aug 12

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Pitchka said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Pitchka said :

Jim Jones said :

Pitchka said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Pitchka said :

Gira2617 said :

and these sort of decisions only supports moving my kids to the local catholic school – which is brilliant.

Brilliant, if your catholic…. Catholic schools close to our home only take in the minimum requirements of non catholic children.

Easy fix, just get your kids baptised. onlyb reason i did it was so they could enter the catholic school system.

My kids are baptised, im not catholic.

Why not just lie about it? How do they know kids are baptised or not, is there some sort of register?

I believe (could be wrong) they ask for a baptism certificate… Im Christian, so its practically the same sh*t, but preference is given to those of Catholic beliefs.

I suspect that Catholics may also consider themselves to be christians…

They dont, ive advised a couple of school of my christian origin, and they dont agree its the same. When i say not the same, we believe in the same god, but because of the way worship is conducted, differences in baptism beliefs etc, its not considered the same.

FFS. I suspect that you mean you are anglican?

FFS no, im Christian Orthodox, i know my f**ken religion.

colourful sydney racing identity colourful sydney racing identity 3:50 pm 09 Aug 12

Pitchka said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Pitchka said :

Jim Jones said :

Pitchka said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Pitchka said :

Gira2617 said :

and these sort of decisions only supports moving my kids to the local catholic school – which is brilliant.

Brilliant, if your catholic…. Catholic schools close to our home only take in the minimum requirements of non catholic children.

Easy fix, just get your kids baptised. onlyb reason i did it was so they could enter the catholic school system.

My kids are baptised, im not catholic.

Why not just lie about it? How do they know kids are baptised or not, is there some sort of register?

I believe (could be wrong) they ask for a baptism certificate… Im Christian, so its practically the same sh*t, but preference is given to those of Catholic beliefs.

I suspect that Catholics may also consider themselves to be christians…

They dont, ive advised a couple of school of my christian origin, and they dont agree its the same. When i say not the same, we believe in the same god, but because of the way worship is conducted, differences in baptism beliefs etc, its not considered the same.

FFS. I suspect that you mean you are anglican?

banco banco 3:14 pm 09 Aug 12

poetix said :

Don’t forget that there are a few Anglican schools as well. No certificate required.

They are generally much more expensive than the Catholic schools.

Pitchka Pitchka 2:54 pm 09 Aug 12

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Pitchka said :

Jim Jones said :

Pitchka said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Pitchka said :

Gira2617 said :

and these sort of decisions only supports moving my kids to the local catholic school – which is brilliant.

Brilliant, if your catholic…. Catholic schools close to our home only take in the minimum requirements of non catholic children.

Easy fix, just get your kids baptised. onlyb reason i did it was so they could enter the catholic school system.

My kids are baptised, im not catholic.

Why not just lie about it? How do they know kids are baptised or not, is there some sort of register?

I believe (could be wrong) they ask for a baptism certificate… Im Christian, so its practically the same sh*t, but preference is given to those of Catholic beliefs.

I suspect that Catholics may also consider themselves to be christians…

They dont, ive advised a couple of school of my christian origin, and they dont agree its the same. When i say not the same, we believe in the same god, but because of the way worship is conducted, differences in baptism beliefs etc, its not considered the same.

StumpyPete StumpyPete 2:50 pm 09 Aug 12

QbnGeek,

” Oh, and before telling me how foolish and unintelligent I am answer the question and tell me why religion has anything to do with education. Anyone who believes there is any real relation would in my eyes be the foolish and unintelligent one. “

Regardless of whether you are religious of not surely you can see that religion may have a role in teaching history (ie. as a basis for wars) and “civics” in terms of the extent to which our laws are somewhat rooted in early religious doctrines.

poetix poetix 2:29 pm 09 Aug 12

Don’t forget that there are a few Anglican schools as well. No certificate required.

qbngeek qbngeek 2:19 pm 09 Aug 12

TheDancingDjinn said :

qbngeek said :

Pitchka said :

Gira2617 said :

and these sort of decisions only supports moving my kids to the local catholic school – which is brilliant.

Brilliant, if your catholic…. Catholic schools close to our home only take in the minimum requirements of non catholic children.

Heh heh, you should have seen the stir when I filled in the application forms for three schools and where they asked for my religion I wrote ‘None of your business as it should have no impact on his education’. We then had an interview at two of them where I advised them that I am a Satanist, my wife is an athiest and my children have no religion until they are older and I will teach them about all the worlds religions and they can choose one, or none, rather than forcing one down their throat as children and telling them a bunch of lies about a magical fairy who controls the world, but is unable to stop suffering (because he is a prick I assume).

I swear I heard the shredder start up as we left the office after each interview. I am still not sure why religious beliefs have anything to do with education.

Why would you fill out forms to get your children into a religious school, only to go in there and be as much of a bigot as you think they are being? If religion has no place for your children, which is fine if that’s your choice – then don’t enroll them in religious schools. You just made yourself look immature and foolish, and not at all intelligent.

Well for your information, it was only because we were trying to get schools outside our area for after school care reasons and were hedging our bets as there was only one public school in the area we wanted. As it turns out we went with the public school and my son has done better than the three other boys that go to the same carer that go to one of the catholic schools we applied to. I also performed better after being moved from catholic education to public and was never keen on sending him to a religious school in the first place, public was my first choice.

Oh, and before telling me how foolish and unintelligent I am answer the question and tell me why religion has anything to do with education. Anyone who believes there is any real relation would in my eyes be the foolish and unintelligent one.

colourful sydney racing identity colourful sydney racing identity 1:54 pm 09 Aug 12

Pitchka said :

Jim Jones said :

Pitchka said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Pitchka said :

Gira2617 said :

and these sort of decisions only supports moving my kids to the local catholic school – which is brilliant.

Brilliant, if your catholic…. Catholic schools close to our home only take in the minimum requirements of non catholic children.

Easy fix, just get your kids baptised. onlyb reason i did it was so they could enter the catholic school system.

My kids are baptised, im not catholic.

Why not just lie about it? How do they know kids are baptised or not, is there some sort of register?

I believe (could be wrong) they ask for a baptism certificate… Im Christian, so its practically the same sh*t, but preference is given to those of Catholic beliefs.

I suspect that Catholics may also consider themselves to be christians…

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