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Military op shop query

poetix 17 January 2013 26

jacket

Dear Rioters,

I recently picked up a most excellent military jacket at an op shop.  It is black, with cool embroidery on the cuffs.  Here is a photograph.  Sorry, but we can’t all be Gungahlin Al or Ben_Dover with their skills and cameras and so on.

I would love to know which of the armed services it is worn by.  Also, your keen eyes will note that it still has the word ‘Australia’ on the shoulders.  Is it kosher for me to wear it with these still on?  The lady in the op shop said she was surprised they hadn’t been removed.

Having the tags ripped off in Civic (Dreyfus style?) would be embarrassing.  On the other hand, I don’t think I could possibly be seen as pretending to be fighting in anyone’s army.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.


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dpm 10:36 pm 17 Jan 13

poetix said :

dpm said :

I think a stuffed parrot on the shoulder would set off the jacket when walking around Civic. You’re bound to get a wide berth from passers by!

Yes, I think she does quite a bit of navel gazing…..

fluff and nonsense

You could use that to stuff the parrot. 😛

poetix 9:22 pm 17 Jan 13

Masquara said :

It needs a better coathanger or it will fall all out of shape …

Indeed. That was only for the identification photo, before drycleaning and removal of tags. Although I intend to do my bit in challenging its military appearance through imposing upon it a less than perfect physique.

(And Mr Poetix says I got the buttons wrong, but I’m too embarrassed to admit that I may have confused left and right. You’d need an army to drag that confession from me. Or a navy.)

Masquara 6:52 pm 17 Jan 13

It needs a better coathanger or it will fall all out of shape …

poetix 6:22 pm 17 Jan 13

Pork Hunt said :

I’d wear it on a Sydney ferry. You might get a free ride but be prepared for questions regarding the next ferry to such and such.
In the good (?) old days, if you were a Raafie in Melbourne, you would be hassled because people though you were a tram conductor.

Perhaps I’ll recite poetry (or read it out loud) on the buses until they give me money to stop. Poetry in ACTION indeed…

Pork Hunt 6:06 pm 17 Jan 13

I’d wear it on a Sydney ferry. You might get a free ride but be prepared for questions regarding the next ferry to such and such.
In the good (?) old days, if you were a Raafie in Melbourne, you would be hassled because people though you were a tram conductor.

poetix 5:46 pm 17 Jan 13

p1 said :

Does the front button to the left or the right? You wouldn’t want to be caught wearing the wrong gender jacket…

No, I’d have to kill myself over any ambiguity at all…(-: This is a man’s jacket. It does up left side over (buttons on the) right. I’ve never thought about that issue before and had to Google it, so I hope I’m getting that right. The buttons are very beautiful.

Those two are immaculate. I won’t look anything like that.

IrishPete 5:36 pm 17 Jan 13

Why am I humming Village People songs to myself already?

IP

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 4:02 pm 17 Jan 13

Question: legally wise(I will wear exactly what I want and eff you to say otherwise), what if I wear my old dpcu’s or dress uniform? I’m not a returned serviceman but did 4 years infantry.
Can I legally get charged?

poetix 2:51 pm 17 Jan 13

dpm said :

I think a stuffed parrot on the shoulder would set off the jacket when walking around Civic. You’re bound to get a wide berth from passers by!

Yes, I think she does quite a bit of navel gazing…..

fluff and nonsense

dpm 2:21 pm 17 Jan 13

astrojax said :

oh, i’d always pictured you in skinny jeans, round horn-rimmed glasses and permanent look of wondrous bemusement, poetix.

dashed that, haven’t you? i’ll have to imagine a bodgy sailor now; hello sailor! did you get a nice cap to go with it? and an eye patch and brass telescope? 🙂

or did you get this for naval gazing…

I think a stuffed parrot on the shoulder would set off the jacket when walking around Civic. You’re bound to get a wide berth from passers by!

Yes, I think she does quite a bit of navel gazing…..

tuco 2:09 pm 17 Jan 13

poetix said :

tuco said :

johnboy said :

It’s definitely Royal Australian Navy and two thick bands with one thin would be a Lieutenant-Commander.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Navy_officer_rank_insignia

The red denotes a medic option – could be dental, doctor or similar. Just for your interest, if there is a number (or even a name) on the inside right you are getting closer to your big Cluedo moment.

There is indeed a name (just a surname), but I don’t want to put it up here in case he is dead or something. (I don’t know what that inane ‘something’ would be…)

The jacket was made in Sydney.

Well played to keep it to yourself – there used to be many, many briefings on how to dispose of rig, and the local op shop never came up. Some people get jackets tailored when posted to interesting places, so the Sydney tag gives you nothing new about the provenance. Might be worth getting the seam picker out to save any disconcertment.

poetix 1:57 pm 17 Jan 13

tuco said :

johnboy said :

It’s definitely Royal Australian Navy and two thick bands with one thin would be a Lieutenant-Commander.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Navy_officer_rank_insignia

The red denotes a medic option – could be dental, doctor or similar. Just for your interest, if there is a number (or even a name) on the inside right you are getting closer to your big Cluedo moment.

There is indeed a name (just a surname), but I don’t want to put it up here in case he is dead or something. (I don’t know what that inane ‘something’ would be…)

The jacket was made in Sydney.

poetix 1:51 pm 17 Jan 13

astrojax said :

poetix said :

#8 I do not wear skinny jeans. Heart may be half willing; hips say no. The being laughed at bit wouldn’t particularly worry me.

#9 Thanks for digging up that Act. That’s all fair enough. I think I could only be seen as looking like a caterer for some steampunk army. Or navy.

Love the use of the term British Empire; I would have thought they’d have changed that to Commonwealth.

Thanks all.

oh, i’d always pictured you in skinny jeans, round horn-rimmed glasses and permanent look of wondrous bemusement, poetix.

dashed that, haven’t you? i’ll have to imagine a bodgy sailor now; hello sailor! did you get a nice cap to go with it? and an eye patch and brass telescope? 🙂

or did you get this for naval gazing…

Um, yes…I do have a parrot tattoo, if that’s not revealing too much! The bemusement bit is not wrong, either.

Thinking about it, I think there should be a law against skinny jeans for anyone over thirty.

astrojax 1:36 pm 17 Jan 13

poetix said :

#8 I do not wear skinny jeans. Heart may be half willing; hips say no. The being laughed at bit wouldn’t particularly worry me.

#9 Thanks for digging up that Act. That’s all fair enough. I think I could only be seen as looking like a caterer for some steampunk army. Or navy.

Love the use of the term British Empire; I would have thought they’d have changed that to Commonwealth.

Thanks all.

oh, i’d always pictured you in skinny jeans, round horn-rimmed glasses and permanent look of wondrous bemusement, poetix.

dashed that, haven’t you? i’ll have to imagine a bodgy sailor now; hello sailor! did you get a nice cap to go with it? and an eye patch and brass telescope? 🙂

or did you get this for naval gazing…

tuco 12:51 pm 17 Jan 13

johnboy said :

It’s definitely Royal Australian Navy and two thick bands with one thin would be a Lieutenant-Commander.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Navy_officer_rank_insignia

The red denotes a medic option – could be dental, doctor or similar. Just for your interest, if there is a number (or even a name) on the inside right you are getting closer to your big Cluedo moment.

poetix 12:41 pm 17 Jan 13

#8 I do not wear skinny jeans. Heart may be half willing; hips say no. The being laughed at bit wouldn’t particularly worry me.

#9 Thanks for digging up that Act. That’s all fair enough. I think I could only be seen as looking like a caterer for some steampunk army. Or navy.

Love the use of the term British Empire; I would have thought they’d have changed that to Commonwealth.

Thanks all.

Duffbowl 11:49 am 17 Jan 13

buzz819 said :

I think you will find it is an old Lt Cdr Naval jacket.

I can’t imagine you’d get into to much trouble wearing it in Civic, specially if it is just a dress up party?

Buzz is correct, if a bit off with the abbreviation (LCDR is Lieutenant Commander).

As long as you don’t breach Sections 80A or 80B of the Defence Act 1903, you should be right.

SECT 80A
Falsely representing to be returned soldier, sailor or airman

(1) A person is guilty of an offence if:

(a) the person represents himself or herself to be a returned soldier, sailor or airman; and

(b) the representation is false.

Penalty: 30 penalty units or imprisonment for 6 months, or both.

(2) For the purposes of this section:

(a) returned soldier means a person who has served abroad during any war as a member of any Military Force raised in Australia or in any other part of the British Empire, or as a member of the Military Forces of any Ally of Great Britain;

(b) returned sailor means a person who has served abroad during any war as a member of any Naval Force raised in Australia or in any other part of the British Empire, or as a member of the Naval Forces of any Ally of Great Britain; and

(c) returned airman means a person who has served abroad during any war as a member of any Air Force, air service or flying corps raised in Australia or in any other part of the British Empire or as a member of the air forces of any Ally of Great Britain.

SECT 80B
Improper use of service decorations

(1) A person is guilty of an offence if:

(a) the person wears a service decoration; and

(b) the person is not the person on whom the decoration was conferred.

Penalty: 30 penalty units or imprisonment for 6 months, or both.

(2) Where the person upon whom a service decoration was conferred has died, it is not an offence against subsection (1) for a member of the family of that person to wear the service decoration if the member of the family does not represent himself as being the person upon whom the decoration was conferred.

Note: The defendant bears an evidential burden in relation to the matter in subsection (2). See subsection 13.3(3) of the Criminal Code .

(3) It is not an offence against subsection (1) for a person to wear a service decoration in the course of a dramatic or other visual representation (including such a representation to be televised) or in the making of a cinematograph film.

Note: The defendant bears an evidential burden in relation to the matter in subsection (3). See subsection 13.3(3) of the Criminal Code .

(4) A person shall not falsely represent himself as being the person upon whom a service decoration has been conferred.

Penalty: 30 penalty units or imprisonment for 6 months, or both.

(5) A person shall not deface or destroy, by melting or otherwise, a service decoration.

Penalty: 60 penalty units or imprisonment for 12 months, or both.

p1 11:47 am 17 Jan 13

If you are wearing it with skinny jeans and thick rimmed glasses, I doubt anyone would genuinely mistake you for a two and a half out on the town.

You might get laughed at though.

johnboy 11:38 am 17 Jan 13

It’s definitely Royal Australian Navy and two thick bands with one thin would be a Lieutenant-Commander.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Navy_officer_rank_insignia

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