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Mormon Missionaries – A Religious Irony

By John Hargreaves - 16 September 2014 40

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I was reading a story about a poor lady who got hit by a car and was trapped under it. Some hero rescued her and all is well.

She was described as a missionary from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (read Mormons)
So let’s think about her mission in life. It is like the Jehovah Witnesses and Sallies who come to the door to give you literature and bless your house or introduce you to the Lord and save your miserable souls.

The Jews, Anglicans, Catholics Uniting Church and Baptists actually do it in their own buildings and you have to go to them (with which I have no problem cos I don’t).

We all have our own ways of dealing with these itinerant proselytisers. Some of us slam the door in their faces; some of us listen patiently, tell a lie about being in another church, some of us politely say “no thanks” and some of us ask them in and discuss the matter.

What we don’t do is deny them a place to worship, like is going on in Gungahlin right now.

The Concerned Citizens of Canberra are not actually all from here. The genesis of that organisation comes from Wee Waa near Gosford and from an Islam hater in the US. This was exposed about three years ago in the Canberra Times.

Why is it then that some people who wish to worship their God do so under extreme conditions of disapproval, are the subject of scaremongering, and are valuable members of our community scattered all over the Territory?

And yet in the main, we tolerate the “missionaries” from overseas when they come knocking on our doors!

The irony is just breathtaking!

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Mormon Missionaries – A Religious Irony
dungfungus 3:17 pm 17 Sep 14

Kalliste said :

Southmouth said :

Kalliste said :

Southmouth said :

For some religions, fanaticism takes the form of door knocking or working with the poor. For others it is killing the unrepentant. Not all communities are as comfortable with the later.

Some also wear white cloaks and want to purify society in the name of Christianity but that doesn’t stop us allowing people of christian faith to worship wherever they like.

And in this case we shouldn’t stop a Mosque being built because of the reputation extremists have.

I’m not sure how many KKK members have been recruited in Australian churches but I expect it is a number close to 0.

Are you suggesting mosques in Australia knowingly recruit terrorists?

I found this on the net:

“Following the Nairobi massacre, Somali community leaders in Australia warned that education authorities had ignored calls to regulate madrassas, or religious schools, which were free to teach radical religious doctrines to young people and could be a fertile ground for recruiting jihadists in Australia for terrorist groups such as al-Shabab.

Somali Cultural Association president Aden Ibrahim said he and his colleagues had urged state and federal authorities for the past five years to close a loophole that had allowed religious leaders to set up the schools in Australia without any regulation of, or control over, the curriculum.

The schools, which operate on weekends and after school hours, are run out of suburban mosques and are supposed to teach Somali language and culture. But, Mr Ibrahim said, in the absence of proper oversight they sometimes promoted hardline religious doctrines.”

BTW, Australian taxpayers fund these madrassas.

Kalliste 11:27 am 17 Sep 14

Southmouth said :

Kalliste said :

Southmouth said :

For some religions, fanaticism takes the form of door knocking or working with the poor. For others it is killing the unrepentant. Not all communities are as comfortable with the later.

Some also wear white cloaks and want to purify society in the name of Christianity but that doesn’t stop us allowing people of christian faith to worship wherever they like.

And in this case we shouldn’t stop a Mosque being built because of the reputation extremists have.

I’m not sure how many KKK members have been recruited in Australian churches but I expect it is a number close to 0.

Are you suggesting mosques in Australia knowingly recruit terrorists?

dungfungus 10:30 am 17 Sep 14

Kalliste said :

Southmouth said :

For some religions, fanaticism takes the form of door knocking or working with the poor. For others it is killing the unrepentant. Not all communities are as comfortable with the later.

Some also wear white cloaks and want to purify society in the name of Christianity but that doesn’t stop us allowing people of christian faith to worship wherever they like.

And in this case we shouldn’t stop a Mosque being built because of the reputation extremists have.

“And in this case we shouldn’t stop a Mosque being built because of the reputation extremists have”.
Ah, but who are the extremists?

Southmouth 10:21 am 17 Sep 14

Kalliste said :

Southmouth said :

For some religions, fanaticism takes the form of door knocking or working with the poor. For others it is killing the unrepentant. Not all communities are as comfortable with the later.

Some also wear white cloaks and want to purify society in the name of Christianity but that doesn’t stop us allowing people of christian faith to worship wherever they like.

And in this case we shouldn’t stop a Mosque being built because of the reputation extremists have.

I’m not sure how many KKK members have been recruited in Australian churches but I expect it is a number close to 0.

Kalliste 9:30 am 17 Sep 14

Southmouth said :

For some religions, fanaticism takes the form of door knocking or working with the poor. For others it is killing the unrepentant. Not all communities are as comfortable with the later.

Some also wear white cloaks and want to purify society in the name of Christianity but that doesn’t stop us allowing people of christian faith to worship wherever they like.

And in this case we shouldn’t stop a Mosque being built because of the reputation extremists have.

dungfungus 8:45 am 17 Sep 14

urchin said :

i don’t understand why a defense of the gungahlin mosque had to be wrapped in a backhanded criticism of mormons and jehovah’s witnesses. it seems to me to be somewhat counterproductive if one is arguing for religious tolerance. after all, the problem is not the particular religion but rather the bigotry.

for the most part i don’t see any real issues with the way the whole thing has played out. people, even nutters, ought to have the right to make their case. they have been given that right and common sense and justice has prevailed in that they have lost their case every step of the way. i do hope, however, that they are being forced to pay court costs on both sides, and if their lawsuits are deemed to be simply obstructionist then they should be liable for damages. the legal system, though, appears to be working fine.

what is more this case has raised awareness of the fact that bigotry continues to be a real problem in canberra. we can’t blame it all on us-based hate groups.

I have no real problem with mosques (as long as the turn down the Tannoy) but I get suspicious when only men attend them and run them.

Southmouth 9:53 pm 16 Sep 14

For some religions, fanaticism takes the form of door knocking or working with the poor. For others it is killing the unrepentant. Not all communities are as comfortable with the later.

urchin 8:42 pm 16 Sep 14

i don’t understand why a defense of the gungahlin mosque had to be wrapped in a backhanded criticism of mormons and jehovah’s witnesses. it seems to me to be somewhat counterproductive if one is arguing for religious tolerance. after all, the problem is not the particular religion but rather the bigotry.

for the most part i don’t see any real issues with the way the whole thing has played out. people, even nutters, ought to have the right to make their case. they have been given that right and common sense and justice has prevailed in that they have lost their case every step of the way. i do hope, however, that they are being forced to pay court costs on both sides, and if their lawsuits are deemed to be simply obstructionist then they should be liable for damages. the legal system, though, appears to be working fine.

what is more this case has raised awareness of the fact that bigotry continues to be a real problem in canberra. we can’t blame it all on us-based hate groups.

milkman 7:12 pm 16 Sep 14

Having people knock on your door once a year to ask if you’re interested in their religious flavour is a small price to pay for living in a tolerant and culturally varied society.

Let the Muslims have their mosques, let the Christians have their churches, let everyone else have what they want too.

Life in Australia is great.

farnarkler 6:51 pm 16 Sep 14

Unfortunately, ScienceRules, religion has not been kept out of government.

Pork Hunt 5:38 pm 16 Sep 14

I have seen the said missionaries around Queanbeyan lately. I often wonder how they arrived at the position that an 18 year old kid in a shirt and tie is an “Elder”…

dungfungus 2:23 pm 16 Sep 14

Someone else suggested you meant Woy Woy.
Wee Waa is near Narrabri, not Gosford.
So far, that has been the most interesting comment on this thread.

1967 12:32 pm 16 Sep 14

I wouldn’t want to walk from Wee Waa to Gosford, John.
That would be a pilgrimage.
Woy Woy, perhaps?

Other than that, good article

watto23 12:09 pm 16 Sep 14

Totally agree. I usually find muslims less intrusive into my life than a variety of the Christianity based faiths. Thing is media likes to paint a picture that equates islam with terrorism. Yet ask any traveler who have been to an Islamic country and they’ll tell you the people are really lovely people, who often have not much, but are happy to share food with you. They live in fear of the terrorist probably more so.

I find the opponents to a religion are often from another religion who somehow feel threatened, usually based on incorrect facts.

I remember early on in the protest the ignorance was shown when the Concerned Citizens said they didn’t want to hear to call to prayers all day and night. Yet this was never going to be the case in a non muslim country. It serves little purpose. However I’ve heard many a church bell ring on a Sunday morning, which is apparently acceptable to these concerned Citizens.

Canberra though does have a high level of tolerance, probably due to a reasonably high level of education. So while a minority can try to make life difficult for people trying to go about their lives, the majority are IMO generally understanding.

ScienceRules 11:26 am 16 Sep 14

Good post, John and I agree with your outlook. Personally I’m an atheist but would have no problem with religious communities building their places of worship as long as they comply with local rules etc. We live in a secular society here in Australia and long may it stay that way. This means that religion should be kept out of Government and public policy but allowed to flourish as a private entity.

I’m not familiar with the brouhaha that you’re referring to in Gunghalin. Can someone enlighten me?

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