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Mouat Street and Ginninderra Drive – a fatality waiting to happen

By Rollersk8r - 14 November 2011 52

Some time in the last fortnight the traffic lights on Mouat Street (turning left into Ginniderra Drive) have been removed and a pedestrian crossing laid down in their place. 

I should have taken a photo – but wanted to post before someone is killed.  

I cycle this way most days and have always considered it to be the most dangerous part of my ride. 

I have witnessed drivers completely ignore the red lights – presumably because the vast majority of traffic is already doing 80kmh by the time they reach that spot.

If they couldn’t see the traffic lights then they’ve got no chance of seeing the pedestrian crossing, especially as there is no signage/warning of the change!!

This is NOT a cyclist/pedestrian vs. driver rant – the fact is a pedestrian crossing is simply not appropriate for the conditions and someone will most definitely be killed if they don’t do something about this very soon.

I’ve submitted an online request as why this decision was made.

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52 Responses to
Mouat Street and Ginninderra Drive – a fatality waiting to happen
Rollersk8r 6:11 pm 14 Nov 11

Update: Yellow signs installed and traffic light poles removed since this morning. In a few seconds on the way home I saw 3 cars stop for pedestrians, and 3 that didn’t.

Classified 5:05 pm 14 Nov 11

Sounds like an ideal location for a red light camera to have been installed.

Rollersk8r 4:57 pm 14 Nov 11

stormboy said :

Have you not realised that there is a lovely new shared path for your use on the OTHER side of Mouat St and you can use the pedestrian lights to get you there from Nth Lyneham? It has got to be better to cross the entry to a carpark than where the new zebra crossing is.This then links up with a new set of pedestrian lights at the top of the Sullivans Creek path.

As a road user (which cyclists and pedestrians are) you have an obligation to take care. That means open your little bo-peeps and have a look before you cross any intersection let alone this one, which will apparently have killed someone within moments.

So all accidents can be avoided as long as we take care. Thanks for that.

ThisIsAName 4:50 pm 14 Nov 11

nsn said :

It’s also strange that the traffic light poles have been left in place.

At lunch today, a bloke was mucking around with an angle grinder around this spot:
http://g.co/maps/xtaak

The poles are probably gone by now…

Erg0 4:08 pm 14 Nov 11

qbngeek said :

I have already submitted a request for the crossing situation along Townshend Street in Phillip to be reviewed after I have spent the last three months watching at least one person a week fly through the pedestrian crossings along there while people are crossing the road (including myself, although I yell and wave my arms if they don’t slow down). For the life of me, I can’t figure out why it is so fricking difficult to stop for pedestrians.

With all the side streets along Townshend St, combined with the likelihood that people are going to be scanning the sides of the road for some business or other, I strongly suspect it’s a case of “too many inputs”. I’d say that a set of flashing lights next to that crossing would be a good idea.

stormboy 4:04 pm 14 Nov 11

Have you not realised that there is a lovely new shared path for your use on the OTHER side of Mouat St and you can use the pedestrian lights to get you there from Nth Lyneham? It has got to be better to cross the entry to a carpark than where the new zebra crossing is.This then links up with a new set of pedestrian lights at the top of the Sullivans Creek path.

As a road user (which cyclists and pedestrians are) you have an obligation to take care. That means open your little bo-peeps and have a look before you cross any intersection let alone this one, which will apparently have killed someone within moments.

sarahsarah 3:59 pm 14 Nov 11

winter said :

I have also seen alot of people run a red light because most people just don’t expect those lights not to be green and during peak hour, I’m often focused on the lights and traffic ahead. I think they may have removed them so that people are prepared to stop at all times.

If a red light won’t make people stop I’m not sure how a pedestrian crossing will be any more successful at making people more “prepared to stop at all times” :\

New Yeah 3:40 pm 14 Nov 11

The (now removed) lights used to be very slow. Sometimes it would take several minutes for them to change (in sync with the intersection), so cyclists would cross regardless if a gap came up.

All up, a bit of a dog’s breakfast. Perhaps things were better before they put the lights in?

qbngeek 3:34 pm 14 Nov 11

winter said :

I have also seen alot of people run a red light because most people just don’t expect those lights not to be green and during peak hour, I’m often focused on the lights and traffic ahead. I think they may have removed them so that people are prepared to stop at all times. Now at least a pedestrian will wait for cars to stop before crossing, rather than seeing a green light and just walking out in front of traffic that might not be prepared to stop.

Hang on a second, WTF?

Why are pedestrians required to stop and wait at a pedestrian crossing. Why the flying frick are you lot not paying enough attention to see there is pedestrian crossing and stop? I am thinking some speed bumps may be required until drivers understand there is a crossing there. I much prefer you all whinging about slowing down for speed bumps rather than reading about someone being killed.

I have already submitted a request for the crossing situation along Townshend Street in Phillip to be reviewed after I have spent the last three months watching at least one person a week fly through the pedestrian crossings along there while people are crossing the road (including myself, although I yell and wave my arms if they don’t slow down). For the life of me, I can’t figure out why it is so fricking difficult to stop for pedestrians.

Rollersk8r 3:32 pm 14 Nov 11

nsn said :

Couldn’t agree more. I noticed this yesterday and thought it’s only a matter of time before someone is run over there. I do not understand why the traffic lights would have been replaced by a pedestrian crossing. It’s also strange that the traffic light poles have been left in place.
Please let us know what response you get – who did you ask the question of?

Put through a Canberra Connect request under Roads/Footpaths.

Keijidosha 3:20 pm 14 Nov 11

Whoever made this decision should be made walk back and forth across the pedestrian crossing like a duck in a shooting gallery. It wouldn’t take more than 15 minutes in peak hour before someone takes home a large stuffed animal.

winter 3:15 pm 14 Nov 11

I have also seen alot of people run a red light because most people just don’t expect those lights not to be green and during peak hour, I’m often focused on the lights and traffic ahead. I think they may have removed them so that people are prepared to stop at all times. Now at least a pedestrian will wait for cars to stop before crossing, rather than seeing a green light and just walking out in front of traffic that might not be prepared to stop.

nsn 3:10 pm 14 Nov 11

Couldn’t agree more. I noticed this yesterday and thought it’s only a matter of time before someone is run over there. I do not understand why the traffic lights would have been replaced by a pedestrian crossing. It’s also strange that the traffic light poles have been left in place.
Please let us know what response you get – who did you ask the question of?

Holden Caulfield 2:52 pm 14 Nov 11

I don’t drive that route very often, but know enough from what you describe to see that is genuinely a disaster waiting to happen.

A decision made by, presumably, the same experts who know what speed limit/signage is best on any given section of road.

Tomakin 2:52 pm 14 Nov 11

I also ride a bike and it is a terrible intersection to cross, as the lights have gone no less than a dozen cars went through the crossing at 8am this morning before someone stopped and let me cross. This is a bad intersection and the lights should have remained. It will only be a matter of time before someone is injured. even worse critically. I have seen some dumb things in this town and this takes the cake.

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