No kava for the multicultural festival

johnboy 8 February 2012 46

The ABC has been worded up that kava has been banned from this year’s Multicultural Festival after the Thereapeutic Goods Administration rejected an application for an exemption.

Because too much multiculturalism would be a terrible thing at a multicultural festival.


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Scribble Scribble 10:58 pm 09 Feb 12

“I predict scenes of chaos, rampant crime and human misery. Possibly even complete societal collapse.”

No, according to the RA brains trust that’s down to allowing women segregated swimming sessions at a public pool.

Jethro Jethro 9:10 pm 09 Feb 12

Disposable said :

I saw on Win news tonight that there was a last minute exemption granted for Kava to be available at the Multicultural festival after all. It was a very short piece but Danielle Post said that the requirements were that the Kava was to be prepared in the traditional way.

I predict scenes of chaos, rampant crime and human misery. Possibly even complete societal collapse.

Disposable Disposable 7:08 pm 09 Feb 12

I saw on Win news tonight that there was a last minute exemption granted for Kava to be available at the Multicultural festival after all. It was a very short piece but Danielle Post said that the requirements were that the Kava was to be prepared in the traditional way.

john87_no1 john87_no1 2:39 pm 09 Feb 12

Did anyone read the article? They are considering banning it. Nothing on the TGA website about it being banned, only restricted.

HenryBG HenryBG 1:57 pm 09 Feb 12

Jethro said :

It’s not illegal, but the importation of it is so limited that Polynesian communities are unable to access the amounts they require for cultural purposes.

Maybe the wowsers, above, could explain to our Islander friends that grinding up a bit of Kava root to make a very mildly sedative beverage is Bad, M’Kay, and they should instead grind up some coffeee beans to make a moderately powerful stimulant beverage instead, because that’s *not* Bad, M’Kay?

Jethro Jethro 6:10 pm 08 Feb 12

Thumper said :

Anyway, back to cava. I really can’t see a problem with it, especially as it’s not illegal

It’s not illegal, but the importation of it is so limited that Polynesian communities are unable to access the amounts they require for cultural purposes.

As I said in an earlier post, the effects of this on their communities is actually quite negative. Since limitations on the importation of Kava have come into effect, the rate of alcohol abuse in Polynesian communities has increased substantially. This has brought with it a whole range of problems that didn’t exist before.

Also, as these communities find it more difficult to partake in their cultural practices, community elders have lost a good avenue through which they can connect with the younger generations. There is some evidence that this has also had some negative impacts in the Polynesian community.

Thumper Thumper 5:45 pm 08 Feb 12

Herdt, Gilbert H. Sambia sexual culture: Essays from the field. University of Chicago Press 1949

I couldn’t be bothered finding the exact pages, however I’m reasonably sure that the practice is mentioned quite often.

Of course, there are other papers and essays that also study these traditions but frankly, I couldn’t be bothered tracking them down.

Anyway, back to cava. I really can’t see a problem with it, especially as it’s not illegal

Jethro Jethro 5:30 pm 08 Feb 12

buzz819 said :

Mate your an idiot, between this and your pro cannabis wanks you put up on here, the line is drawn in the sand, you can not drink it legally, you can not possess, grow or supply cannabis, you can not drink and drive, you can not murder people, you can not have too many persons in the one licensed premises. You don’t like the laws then buy an island and do what you want. Go back over to the Greens and focus on the big issues, like women only pools.

I fail to see how my opinions on either topic makes me an idiot. In both cases my opinions are based on a rational assessment of the evidence regarding the drugs’ effects and the impacts of government policy regarding their use.

I also fail to see why you think I should send myself into exile because of my views on these two topics. If we are going to start telling people to leave this country because of their opinions, may I suggest you move yourself to a country in which to live where freedom of speech is banned and people are punished for being critical of government policy.

Also, don’t try and support your argument by painting me as some pot-smoking idiot, or kava-loving fiend. As I stated in my comments on the cannabis threads, I don’t smoke the stuff. I have no interest in smoking the stuff. Consider me less ‘pro-cannabis’ and more ‘anti-prohibition’. Reread my comments on those threads. My opinions regarding cannabis are based on my assessment of the negative impacts prohibition has on users and society as a whole. With regards to kava, my experience with that was during a holiday in Fiji. As with cannabis, I have absolutely no desire to use the stuff now. Nonetheless, I also have no desire to prohibit people from doing something in the privacy of their own homes that has no impact on me whatsoever.

If we are going to start calling people idiots because they hold different opinions to us, I would suggest that the idiot label would be better applied to someone who uncritically accepts public policy that may in fact be quite flawed. Likewise, I would argue that the label would also apply to someone who is going to compare the private consumption of a relatively innocuous plant substance with murder.

VYBerlinaV8_is_back VYBerlinaV8_is_back 5:18 pm 08 Feb 12

Onceler said :

“Island of the Colorblind” by Oliver Sacks contains a very beautiful passage describing his kava experience on teh island of Pohnpei, Micronesia.

Didn’t that place get wiped out by a volcano?

chewy14 chewy14 5:11 pm 08 Feb 12

Stevian said :

Thumper said :

It is not racism. It is not intended to demonise anyone. It has nothing to do with cannabalism. It has nothing to do evil white men colonising countries.

It is a fact. And it was considered perfectly normal behaviour.

Whether it is still practised today I cannot say, but it most certainly was practised within the past 50 or so years.

I could dissect that entire comment in terms of implicit cultural imperialism or as you put it “evil white men colonising countries”. Leaving aside the question of whether it is true, or aberrent vs normative behaviour. You choose to interpret this practice refracted through the Western cultural lens. It is homoerotic behaviour and thus reprehensible?
Rape? Only from a western point of view
Within it’s own cultural context it may be considered perfectly normal if so, what of it? I’m sure some Western customs seems as bizarre and abhorrent when viewed from a different cultural perspective. Are you arrogant enough to believe the way we do things is the One True Right and Only Way?

I’m still trying to find the part where he judged anything? Can you point it out? Is it use of the word “rape” that has you in such a tizzy?

Thumper Thumper 5:09 pm 08 Feb 12

Stevian said :

Thumper said :

It is not racism. It is not intended to demonise anyone. It has nothing to do with cannabalism. It has nothing to do evil white men colonising countries.

It is a fact. And it was considered perfectly normal behaviour.

Whether it is still practised today I cannot say, but it most certainly was practised within the past 50 or so years.

I could dissect that entire comment in terms of implicit cultural imperialism or as you put it “evil white men colonising countries”. Leaving aside the question of whether it is true, or aberrent vs normative behaviour. You choose to interpret this practice refracted through the Western cultural lens. It is homoerotic behaviour and thus reprehensible?
Rape? Only from a western point of view
Within it’s own cultural context it may be considered perfectly normal if so, what of it? I’m sure some Western customs seems as bizarre and abhorrent when viewed from a different cultural perspective. Are you arrogant enough to believe the way we do things is the One True Right and Only Way?

You’re backtracking rapidly now.

Did you google it?

VYBerlinaV8_is_back VYBerlinaV8_is_back 5:08 pm 08 Feb 12

They asked for an exemption, it wasn’t granted. Is it really that big a deal?

Onceler Onceler 4:46 pm 08 Feb 12

“Island of the Colorblind” by Oliver Sacks contains a very beautiful passage describing his kava experience on teh island of Pohnpei, Micronesia. Seems it reduces anxiety without dulling the senses. I’d give it a go, given the right environment. Must get a hold of that book again.

Onceler Onceler 4:42 pm 08 Feb 12

buzz819 said :

Jethro said :

Quit the hysteria buzz819 and Duffbowl.

Kava is very very mild. I drank litres of the stuff over the course of a few hours and basically ended up with a mild level of drowsiness, akin to maybe two or three beers.

The classification of Kava is silly. There is a fair bit of evidence that Polynesian communities with limited access to Kava are turning to alcohol instead, with far worse social consequences.

Mate your an idiot, between this and your pro cannabis wanks you put up on here, the line is drawn in the sand, you can not drink it legally, you can not possess, grow or supply cannabis, you can not drink and drive, you can not murder people, you can not have too many persons in the one licensed premises. You don’t like the laws then buy an island and do what you want. Go back over to the Greens and focus on the big issues, like women only pools.

Spoilsport.

Stevian Stevian 4:34 pm 08 Feb 12

Thumper said :

It is not racism. It is not intended to demonise anyone. It has nothing to do with cannabalism. It has nothing to do evil white men colonising countries.

It is a fact. And it was considered perfectly normal behaviour.

Whether it is still practised today I cannot say, but it most certainly was practised within the past 50 or so years.

I could dissect that entire comment in terms of implicit cultural imperialism or as you put it “evil white men colonising countries”. Leaving aside the question of whether it is true, or aberrent vs normative behaviour. You choose to interpret this practice refracted through the Western cultural lens. It is homoerotic behaviour and thus reprehensible?
Rape? Only from a western point of view
Within it’s own cultural context it may be considered perfectly normal if so, what of it? I’m sure some Western customs seems as bizarre and abhorrent when viewed from a different cultural perspective. Are you arrogant enough to believe the way we do things is the One True Right and Only Way?

knuckles knuckles 4:28 pm 08 Feb 12

Thumper said :

Stevian said :

Thumper said :

Baldy said :

Stevian said :

Thumper said :

Thoroughly Smashed said :

Because tradition has always been a good reason to keep doing something.

In some PNG tribes it is tradition for the Big Men to initiate the young boys into the tribe by gathering them all together in a single building for a night and then raping them.

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Got a cite for that? Sounds like Racist Bulls***

Agree it does. If true how the h*** did a tradition like that start????

Frankly I can’t remember the source, it’s been a long time since I studied anthropology at uni.

And no, nothing racist about it.

Just showing that because something is tradition it doesn’t mean that it is good.

Like stories of Canibalism such tales are primarily to demonise the “savage primitives” and as such are Racist. If in anyway true, they are account of abberant rather than normative behaviour. So the question stands is it just a travelers tale or is there any truth to it?

Why do people simply scream ‘racism’ whenever something they don’t like is mentioned?

It is not racism. It is not intended to demonise anyone. It has nothing to do with cannabalism. It has nothing to do evil white men colonising countries.

It is a fact. And it was considered perfectly normal behaviour.

Whether it is still practised today I cannot say, but it most certainly was practised within the past 50 or so years.

If it is a fact as you say, please provide evidince.
Otherwise I agree with the suggestion that there is a good chance that it is a myth that was developed to demonise a group of non-white, non-christian people and can therefore be claimed to be a racist statement.

HenryBG HenryBG 4:21 pm 08 Feb 12

Stevian said :

Like stories of Canibalism such tales are primarily to demonise the “savage primitives” and as such are Racist. If in anyway true, they are account of abberant rather than normative behaviour. So the question stands is it just a travelers tale or is there any truth to it?

What a ridiculous bit of leftist ideology you are regurgitating. I assumed it was satire on first reading.

What’s the clear evidence of cannibalism among Japanese troops in New Guinea? Racism as well?

Cannibalism in plenty of savage primitive cultures was entirely normative, contrary to your leftie delusions.

Suttee, also, was not aberrant (but definitely abhorrent).

Plenty of cultures display plenty of normative behaviours which are completely unacceptable to a civilised society.
Fact.
Not “Racism”.

Ben_Dover Ben_Dover 4:20 pm 08 Feb 12

It’s a combination of lack of thought and knee jerk reaction intelligence. The religion of the left states that any time any differences between races are noted, or that a person is of a race, or of another colour skin, gets mentioned, screaming “racism” is the most powerful approbation that can be issued, and saves you ever having to think about the subject or actual issue at hand.

racism or racialism
— n
1. the belief that races have distinctive cultural characteristics determined by hereditary factors and that this endows some races with an intrinsic superiority over others
2. abusive or aggressive behaviour towards members of another race on the basis of such a belief

Duffbowl Duffbowl 4:12 pm 08 Feb 12

Having done some reading today (no, I’m not claiming to be an expert), it seems the biggest issues with kava come down to overuse, or use in conjunction with other intoxicants. Used in lower levels of concentration, and treated as a social use, it appears to be no worse that alcohol in similar concentration and use patterns.

colourful sydney racing identity colourful sydney racing identity 4:05 pm 08 Feb 12

Thumper said :

HenryBG said :

Baldy said :

Stevian said :

Thumper said :

Thoroughly Smashed said :

Because tradition has always been a good reason to keep doing something.

In some PNG tribes it is tradition for the Big Men to initiate the young boys into the tribe by gathering them all together in a single building for a night and then raping them.

.

Got a cite for that? Sounds like Racist Bulls***

Agree it does. If true how the h*** did a tradition like that start????

Sounds plausible – a parallel tradition seems to have developed within the Catholic Church.

Anyway, Kava is far more harmless than alcohol or tobacco. Its ban is a form of cultural discrimination against pacific islanders, just as Jethro said.
Completely hypocritical and unacceptable in this day and age.

Frankly I can’t remember the source, it’s been a long time since I studied anthropology at uni.

And no, nothing racist about it.

Just illustrating that just because something is traditional it doesn’t necessarily mean that it is good.

I was also informed about this practice while studying ANthropolgoy at ANU some years back.

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