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NSW speeding fine as ACT driver

By Rollersk8r 1 February 2013 30

Ok – mostly rant – but part prayer for a free solution:

During the Christmas holidays I got a speeding fine in Sydney – 70kmh in a 60kmh zone – outside of the double demerits period. A quick search of the NSW RTA website indicates the fine will be waived if it’s a low range offence (less than 30kmh over) and you have a clean driving record in the last 10 years.  I have had ONE minor speeding fine, 15 years ago, in 20 years of driving – so I filled out the online form and thought that would be the end of it (but knowing my luck, probably not).

So sure enough, another week later, I get an email from the NSW RTA saying sure, you can get out of the fine, just send us an official copy of your clean driving record.  So I go into the motor registry – sure you can have a copy of your driving record – that will be $21.40.  WHAT!?

Seriously WTF?  The NSW system clearly has all my details, just not my history? Databases still don’t talk to each other in 2013? At the very least the NSW RTA can’t just call the ACT Registry? Would be a hell of a lot quicker, rather than sending me to do it, waiting, then reprocessing the whole thing when I get back to them?? And don’t even get me started on lining up for hours to pay someone $20 to press ‘print’.

So I didn’t pay the ACT motor registry’s $21.40 “document fee” – but it looks like I have no choice – to get out of a $105 fine.

My human rights are being violated here Corbell!  I’ll take this to the highest court in the land!  It strikes at the very heart of…. family values or something!

I’ve already wasted more than $21.40 worth of my life just now!

I know, I know, I’m a criminal and need to shut up and just pay the ACT fine to get out of the NSW fine.


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davo101 2:52 pm 04 Feb 13

Dante said :

Databases don’t talk to each other across state/territory borders due to privacy regulations.

watto23 said :

Years ago they made a fuss about nationwide laws etc etc. The only real effect was that losing your license in any state means you can’t get a license in another state. The points don’t come off your license because they don’t share that info, just license cancellations.

LOL.

See 11(3) and 11(4) or the simplified version.

watto23 1:25 pm 04 Feb 13

Years ago they made a fuss about nationwide laws etc etc. The only real effect was that losing your license in any state means you can’t get a license in another state. The points don’t come off your license because they don’t share that info, just license cancellations. Also the tolerance levels and fine levels vary wildly in each state/territory. In the ACT you’d be unlucky to be booked for anything that is less than or equal to 10% over the speed limit.
But 67 in a 60 and 89 in an 80 will get you camera fines, but probably not police tickets.

p1 10:05 am 04 Feb 13

vg said :

There is no ‘cut off’. You can be fined for going 1km/h over the speed limit

There is, however, different “categories of speeding fine”, and there are “cut offs” between those categories…

vg 9:21 am 04 Feb 13

p996911turbo said :

p996911turbo said :

I got a fine for the lowest speeding category (under 15km/h over the speed limit) in South Australia. It was over $300. For the lowest category speeding fine.

Suck it up, princess. $21.50 is a lot better than over $300.

Sorry I should clarify. It was 12km/h over the limit. That’s the lowest category in the ACT, but not in SA. Their cut-off is 10km/h.

There is no ‘cut off’. You can be fined for going 1km/h over the speed limit

Girt_Hindrance 11:29 pm 03 Feb 13

Is there an RA record for ‘suck it up, Princess’ statements in the comments?
+1

You sped, got caught, you’re fully aware that you did it, but you’re complaining about paying a tiny percentage to have the fine and the points overturned?

Just pay the 21 bucks, and try not to be so indignant at getting caught doing the wrong thing next time.

liability 9:15 am 02 Feb 13

It is not the NSW RMS (formerly RTA) that will waive the fine, it is actually the NSW State Debt Recovery Office that you have to deal with. That department does not have full access to the NSW RMS database or that of any other state/territory.

Staff of the SDRO cannot access your driving record, be in it NSW, ACT or any where else. That is why you must supply a copy of your driving record.

The SDRO publish their fine waiver guidelines, and it is essentially that if you have no offences in the past ten years you will be given a caution for a minor offence.

JC 7:20 am 02 Feb 13

Rollersk8r said :

Nothing!! Why is the ACT motor registry any different to the dozens of other services I pay for? If you think of it in terms of accessing your account information and usage history I can do this as much as I like for banking, ISP, phones, Medicare, ACT library (And that’s free! Hello!), ACTION (hello again!), E-tag, health insurance, newspaper subscription, etc, etc. Everyone else realises zero customer interaction saves them money…

With all those things listed above they key word is YOU can access it. With the motor registry, along with heaps of other things, such as birth certificate, marriage certificate etc YOU cannot access it so their staff do which comes at a cost. There are also many commercial services which are free until you need to get staff involvement.

Additionally you will find even if you could access them yourself that a printout made by you will not suffice for the purpose you wish. The reason being the record from the motor registry is certified by the person who prints it out for you. Again this comes at a staff cost which I am not happy to pay the cost of every year through an increase in my rego so that people such as yourself can go get it for free.

End of the day you speed, you are going to get off, but at a cost. So suck it up princess.

wildturkeycanoe 6:06 am 02 Feb 13

I would hate to have to pay $21.40 for a piece of paper that says “Driving misdemeanors – NIL”.
If it had something worth reading however, eg.
“Car, far, he drove his car very far,
Speed, need, needed to speed along the tar.
Bright lights, chasing him through the streets at night,
Jail, bail, the fine is arriving in the mail.”

c_c™ 12:07 am 02 Feb 13

54-11 said :

Rollersk8r said :

p996911turbo said :

I got a fine for the lowest speeding category (under 15km/h over the speed limit) in South Australia. It was over $300. For the lowest category speeding fine.

Suck it up, princess. $21.50 is a lot better than over $300.

Ha! It took all of 4 comments before I got a “suck it up princess”! I was expecting that as post 1!

Agreed. What is it with all these RA whackers that keep saying this? What a puerile comment “suck it up…” is. Shows an intellectual vacuum between the ears. Find something new that actually makes sense, and that hasn’t been said so many times before.

No, it indicates that some of us know how to cop it on the chin when we’ve done wrong.

Then add to that the fool who did wrong is too cheap to spend $20 bucks, to avoid paying $100 bucks.

You broke the law, it’s a strict liability offence. You should be grateful they have a mechanism to reduce that cost in light of your driving record.

What next, the few cents you’ll spend on a stamp to post the documents is an infringement of human rights?

mareva 11:24 pm 01 Feb 13

PantsMan said :

Idea 1: FOI your driving records, and then claim the personal information exemption to charges.

Idea 2: Apply for a waiver of the fee under section 131 of the Financial Management and Accountability Act 1996.

A wonderfully Canberran answer!

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