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NXTBUS?

By johnboy - 15 July 2013 58

Shane Rattenbury has the intriguing news that realtime bus network information is going to be ubiquitous:

Minister for Territory and Municipal Services, Shane Rattenbury, today announced the commencement of works to install ‘real time passenger information’ infrastructure at bus stations and major bus stops across Canberra. This will allow live testing of the system to begin will full roll expected to be complete by December.

The real time passenger information system, which will be known as ‘NXTBUS’, will track ACTION buses and provide live information about arrival times via digital displays installed at bus stations, online, smartphones, tablets, over the phone and on-bus visual displays.

“The real time information system – NXTBUS – is an exciting development for Canberra’s public transport system. It will make catching an ACTION bus more convenient and change the way people use public transport in Canberra,” said Mr Rattenbury

The phones are my bet for the killer app for this.

We should have something to road test this December.

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NXTBUS?
Canberroid 9:06 am 16 Jul 13

wildturkeycanoe said :

no idea said :

If it reduces that sh*t have I missed the bus cause it’s early / not coming dilemma? please introduce it ASAP

If the bus is early and you missed it, you should have left earlier to get to the stop. It’s like saying “Sorry officer, I was only speeding because I’m running late.”.
If the app or display says the bus is not coming, how is the whole NXTBUS system supposed to overcome this problem?? You still won’t get anywhere but you are more aware of the fact you aren’t getting anywhere.
How about everyone supporting this system get on their internet or go to a post office, download the timetables, get a hard copy and get to the bus stops on time and stop complaining how technology isn’t good enough. Should the selected vehicle be a little too early and you miss the bus, quit using it and wait for the next one. I don’t need a million dollar system to tell me a basic fact I can work out on my own.

So you think that waiting around for half an hour or so after missing an early bus is an acceptable solution? Or arriving ten minutes early every time and adding even more time to an already slow bus commute? Do we all need to get off your lawn?

The only complaint I have about this NXTBUS thing is that it wasn’t introduced 5+ years ago. Anyone who catches a bus that is regularly at least five minutes early or late will appreciate being able to time their walk to the bus stop so as to minimise time wastage. This system will improve patronage of the bus system and hopefully mean less traffic on the roads and a more cost effective bus system.

OLydia 10:03 pm 15 Jul 13

When I lived in London in the mid-1990s this technology was already in use and it was amazing to see that yes, 3 buses for the same route were due to arrive at the same time, and they did. The only advance the NXTBUS will have over 1990s London bus system will be that the info can be accessed via smart phones and tablets. Wow … not.

bigred 8:15 pm 15 Jul 13

Will this stop the 25 bus running early every morning?

wildturkeycanoe 8:12 pm 15 Jul 13

no idea said :

If it reduces that sh*t have I missed the bus cause it’s early / not coming dilemma? please introduce it ASAP

If the bus is early and you missed it, you should have left earlier to get to the stop. It’s like saying “Sorry officer, I was only speeding because I’m running late.”.
If the app or display says the bus is not coming, how is the whole NXTBUS system supposed to overcome this problem?? You still won’t get anywhere but you are more aware of the fact you aren’t getting anywhere.
How about everyone supporting this system get on their internet or go to a post office, download the timetables, get a hard copy and get to the bus stops on time and stop complaining how technology isn’t good enough. Should the selected vehicle be a little too early and you miss the bus, quit using it and wait for the next one. I don’t need a million dollar system to tell me a basic fact I can work out on my own.

wildturkeycanoe 7:54 pm 15 Jul 13

TP 3000 said :

I can’t see why people can’t read a timetable & plan their trip accordingly.
Where I live in Kambah, I leave home when the bus leaves Tuggeranong Bus Station & by the time I walk down to the bus stop I have enough time to rest & get my ticket ready.

If I live/work close to where the bus leaves from, then I would plan to rock up either just before or exactly when the bus is due to leave.

And you can do this without an “app”, “real time passenger information system” or other such aids for the technologically addicted!! Good on you, two thumbs up. [said with sincerity by the way, as written text often doesn’t convey when someone is being sarcastic]

wildturkeycanoe 7:51 pm 15 Jul 13

thatsnotme said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

Knowing whether a bus is on-time, early or late does not change the fact it can take up to two hours to get from one end of Canberra to another? Who cares if you can see on-line where your bus is, when you are waiting at the depot? It still comes and takes you where it goes. This is a waste of resources that could be better spent on improving the actual network/infrastructure.
If one person can tell me how this is any better than a timetable, gets you there quicker or helps you get to your destination please tell me.

I dunno, I’d have thought that knowing exactly where your bus is so that you don’t miss the damn thing gets you there quicker? Knowing which bus has a bike rack helps me get to my destination. Both things that the timetable can’t / won’t tell me right now.

I’m not sure if you simply lack imagination, or you really are just too thick to see how this will be welcomed with open arms by practically every person who regularly catches a bus?

If you regularly catch a bus, you already know when it arrives and will be waiting for it. You don’t need a digital monitor to tell you when it’s coming, let alone an imagination.

TP 3000 5:25 pm 15 Jul 13

I can’t see why people can’t read a timetable & plan their trip accordingly.
Where I live in Kambah, I leave home when the bus leaves Tuggeranong Bus Station & by the time I walk down to the bus stop I have enough time to rest & get my ticket ready.

If I live/work close to where the bus leaves from, then I would plan to rock up either just before or exactly when the bus is due to leave.

thatsnotme 5:12 pm 15 Jul 13

wildturkeycanoe said :

Knowing whether a bus is on-time, early or late does not change the fact it can take up to two hours to get from one end of Canberra to another? Who cares if you can see on-line where your bus is, when you are waiting at the depot? It still comes and takes you where it goes. This is a waste of resources that could be better spent on improving the actual network/infrastructure.
If one person can tell me how this is any better than a timetable, gets you there quicker or helps you get to your destination please tell me.

I dunno, I’d have thought that knowing exactly where your bus is so that you don’t miss the damn thing gets you there quicker? Knowing which bus has a bike rack helps me get to my destination. Both things that the timetable can’t / won’t tell me right now.

I’m not sure if you simply lack imagination, or you really are just too thick to see how this will be welcomed with open arms by practically every person who regularly catches a bus?

no idea 4:53 pm 15 Jul 13

If it reduces that sh*t have I missed the bus cause it’s early / not coming dilemma? please introduce it ASAP

wildturkeycanoe 4:29 pm 15 Jul 13

Knowing whether a bus is on-time, early or late does not change the fact it can take up to two hours to get from one end of Canberra to another? Who cares if you can see on-line where your bus is, when you are waiting at the depot? It still comes and takes you where it goes. This is a waste of resources that could be better spent on improving the actual network/infrastructure.
If one person can tell me how this is any better than a timetable, gets you there quicker or helps you get to your destination please tell me.
I can’t see this being used to control traffic lights, unless the infrastructure is there. If it was, police, fire and ambulance would already have the technology to get themselves to incidents much sooner.
Also, in the quotes from damien haas, relating to “Increased use of public transport is linked to the reliability of services.”, what a load of BS. If more people use the services, it will take longer to load and unload buses, hence making the schedule harder to achieve. Yes, I can hear the “but with less cars on the road the buses will be quicker” crowd, how often do you see a bus getting stuck behind a car these days, especially with all the bus lanes everywhere? I hope this isn’t going to waste millions of dollars, just to keep some PS techno-nerd employed.

watto23 4:28 pm 15 Jul 13

well this may be of use if done properly, ie uses GPS to know which stop you are at and can tell you where the nearest buses are the routes numbers and destination and approximate arrival time at the stop you are at. Actually they could even put a QR code at bus stops for those without GPS, although i think everything that could run the app has it these days. It would also be good to have some electronic info system at interchanges…

jase! 4:26 pm 15 Jul 13

awesome find there Damien

It has been a big (and expensive) project, surely 7 or 8 years to deliver is reasonable

damien haas 4:04 pm 15 Jul 13

Is this 2005 again?

ACT Government
2005-2006 BUDGET

MEDIA RELEASE

REAL-TIME BUS INFORMATION A REALITY

The ACT Government’s initiative of $6.76 million for the introduction of Real Time Passenger Information system for Canberra’s ACTION bus network will allow people to know exactly when their buses will be arriving.

Planning Minister Simon Corbell said today that the system would monitor the location of all ACTION buses, allowing passengers to get information when the next bus is due through electronic and LCD display screens at bus stops and interchanges.

“This measure has been proven to increase patronage on routes by up to 20 per cent,” he said.

“Real time information systems use a variety of technologies to track the location of buses and provide accurate bus arrival times at interchanges and stops along route.

“The system will also interface with Canberra’s traffic lights, allowing priority to buses when required to better ensure on-time running.”

Mr Corbell said the provision of real time information was a further demonstration that the Government was fulfilling its election commitment to implement the Sustainable Transport Plan.

“Real Time Information will boost the effectiveness of associated projects under the transport plan such as the Belconnen to City busway, but also enhance our public transport network while these projects are realised.

“It is anticipated that real time information will improve passenger knowledge and therefore their ability to use the network, and will also increase new and infrequent use of public transport.

“This project meets the Government’s objective of reliable, efficient and sustainable transport, therefore avoiding the need for road solutions for traffic problems.

“Increased use of public transport is linked to the reliability of services. Real time information will ensure passengers accurately know when their bus is due to arrive, building confidence that ACTION services can be relied upon.”

Real time information has been implemented in cities including Auckland, Christchurch, Brisbane and Adelaide, which report improved patronage of between 10 and 30 per cent.

Released:3 May 2005

curmudgery 3:22 pm 15 Jul 13

What an unfriendly, stupid bloody name that is. Who accepted that? And what were you smoking at the time?

Wouldn’t names like BusTimes or BusInfo or BusData be more appropriate and helpful to those wanting to use a bus service?

Why would you name it something so awkward, so obtuse? Are there that many votes in appealing to lazy SMSers?

davo101 12:37 pm 15 Jul 13

Cool “real time passenger information”. So will I need to know the name of the passenger before I look them up?

Personally, if I’m catching a bus, I’d be far more interested in knowing about the bus than the passengers.

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