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One isolated incident and the camera rent seekers come out.

By johnboy 31 October 2008 58

Little surprises me when it comes to the ability of certain RiotACT commenters to take a discussion self-indulgently off the rails.

But I was intrigued yesterday when the burned out buses on Akuna Street degenerated into the great global debate on public surveilance camera networks.

(Oddly London is cited as the great example of a brilliant network of public cameras and yet the city is far less safe than it was before the network was built).

So imagine my surprise to see the cry taken up by police on the ABC that if only we had more cameras (never mind getting the ones they have to work reliably) they could have caught the crims (but only after the buses went up at which point they’d be bailed before receiving a suspended sentence no doubt).

    “Detective Superintendent Michael Chew says extra cameras could have helped.

    “If there had have been cameras here hopefully it would have picked up the alleged offenders,” he said.”

In the Canberra Times Simon Corbell is managing to simultaneously claim that Civic is safe and yet he’s going to roll out a wider network of ineffectual cameras.

Presumably to, like London, make the city less than the safety nirvana we currently enjoy?

What’s Your opinion?


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stray 4:34 pm 05 Nov 08

i thought we had plenty of cameras in civic…its just that they werent switched on….
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BerraBoy68 10:43 am 02 Nov 08

johnboy said :

Also remember they were a reaction to an IRA bombing campaign, not street crime.

Correct JB, and they were even then camera’s were only part of the so called ‘ring of steel’. Try driving a van any where near Canary Wharf these days. Security stops you every time and gives both you and the car the electronic bomb sniffer treatment.

dexi 8:10 am 02 Nov 08

Anyone watch the bill last night. They seem to identify most of the crim’s with CCTV from street cam, pub cam and shop cam. The quality of the pictures don’t even need CSI photo shop.

shauno 7:13 pm 01 Nov 08

ChrisinTurner said :

I am waiting to see the evidence proving that London is less safe than before the cameras.

Well how about the dramatic increase in Knife related crime over the last couple of years in London.

lion 7:03 pm 01 Nov 08

God, filtering through all this when I just some genuine public opinion on the topic… I didn’t click this link for a batman skit.

ChrisinTurner 5:53 pm 01 Nov 08

I am waiting to see the evidence proving that London is less safe than before the cameras.

deye 1:26 pm 01 Nov 08

hence why CSI is classified as “science fiction” 😉

p1 12:15 pm 01 Nov 08

Reality check: CSI is not the real world. There is no machine that goes bing.

That and labs usually have better lighting then the ones in that show.

GB 11:32 am 01 Nov 08

Jim Jones said :

p1 said :

I want a copy of the software that turns a bunch of pixels from a zoomed in low-res image into a crystal clear pic of the killer…

Photoshop.

Photoshop:CSI Edition. It uses entangled matter & antimatter to draw pixels from other dimensions, and sometimes from other TV shows. For some reason, The Bill still uses the old Photoshop:RealWorld Edition, which means blurry cctv footage only tells them that something blurry happened.

Reality check: CSI is not the real world. There is no machine that goes bing.

deye 12:03 am 01 Nov 08

imhotep said :

Even non-low-lifes (like me!) refrain from certain activities (in places like lifts) if I see a camera.

That’s just it, non-low-lifes do feel self conscious about the cameras and will refrain from doing even some normal things.

Low lifes on the other hand don’t give a rats.

johnboy 6:06 pm 31 Oct 08

I’m saying that very few things are that useful in isolation.

I doubt the cameras made things worse, although I’ve seen it argued they’ve added to alienation, I am saying they haven’t added much to safety.

Also remember they were a reaction to an IRA bombing campaign, not street crime.

imhotep 5:53 pm 31 Oct 08

“…roll out a wider network of ineffectual cameras….Presumably to, like London, make the city less than the safety nirvana we currently enjoy?”

Are you (Johnboy) saying that extra cameras in London made the city LESS safe?

It would be hard to quantify, but common sense tells you that the average low-life may hesitate to do what low-lifes do if he can see a camera looking at him.

Even non-low-lifes (like me!) refrain from certain activities (in places like lifts) if I see a camera.

I cannot see how extra cameras could make a situation worse.

GottaLoveCanberra 4:54 pm 31 Oct 08

Yay for knee jerk reactions to appease the masses.

Jim Jones 4:14 pm 31 Oct 08

p1 said :

I want a copy of the software that turns a bunch of pixels from a zoomed in low-res image into a crystal clear pic of the killer…

Photoshop.

p1 4:04 pm 31 Oct 08

I think some of us having been watching a bit too much CSI.

I want a copy of the software that turns a bunch of pixels from a zoomed in low-res image into a crystal clear pic of the killer…

Jim Jones 3:30 pm 31 Oct 08

This week on CSI Charnwood …

Agent Dazza: “%^&ing hell, not another @#9(ing stabbing. Better get this &$(#ing bloodstained Woodie can down to Krystal and Shano at the lab.”

niftydog 3:25 pm 31 Oct 08

I think some of us having been watching a bit too much CSI.

Grail 2:51 pm 31 Oct 08

Has anyone here ever had the footage from a surveillance camera actually lead to an arrest and/or conviction?

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