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Parking a problem at Ainslie shops

By wildturkeycanoe 21 October 2016 38

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Ainslie shops parking has been always pretty average but now on certain days it is a nightmare. My wife works there on random hours and now, even though she leaves early because of the chaos across Northbourne, she can’t get a park anywhere on Wednesdays. All the side streets are limited time, so unuseful.

The solution? Buses won’t work as she could be called in with only an hour’s notice but buses take over an hour to get there. Yesterday, she had to take a limited stay spot and hope to not get booked. Fridays are also quite bad. What else can one do but hope not to get booked and lose the day’s pay to the government. I have no confidence in the government or “fix my street”, they seldom respond beyond the automated email reply and prefer to push people onto public transport, regardless if it is useful or not.

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JC 6:21 pm 26 Oct 16

Masquara said :

Masquara said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

The Ebden Street suggestion is no good because there is no on street parking and you will get booked parking on the grass verge as it is also illegal. The other side streets around the shops are either no stopping zones or way too narrow to park on anyway.

Please don’t post incorrect information like this. Cox Street – which runs past the front of the Ainslie Shops – has unlimited, unsigned broken-line parking two minutes from the shops. You’re wrong about Ebden Street. Three minutes from the front of the shops, other than the few metres of the top of the T juntion (for obvious reasons), Ebden Street is ALL unlimited parking with broken lines. All the way along.

And that is of course minutes’ WALKs!

What if it rains? Will someone think of the children please…

Masquara 9:48 am 26 Oct 16

Masquara said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

The Ebden Street suggestion is no good because there is no on street parking and you will get booked parking on the grass verge as it is also illegal. The other side streets around the shops are either no stopping zones or way too narrow to park on anyway.

Please don’t post incorrect information like this. Cox Street – which runs past the front of the Ainslie Shops – has unlimited, unsigned broken-line parking two minutes from the shops. You’re wrong about Ebden Street. Three minutes from the front of the shops, other than the few metres of the top of the T juntion (for obvious reasons), Ebden Street is ALL unlimited parking with broken lines. All the way along.

And that is of course minutes’ WALKs!

Masquara 9:05 pm 25 Oct 16

wildturkeycanoe said :

The Ebden Street suggestion is no good because there is no on street parking and you will get booked parking on the grass verge as it is also illegal. The other side streets around the shops are either no stopping zones or way too narrow to park on anyway.

Please don’t post incorrect information like this. Cox Street – which runs past the front of the Ainslie Shops – has unlimited, unsigned broken-line parking two minutes from the shops. You’re wrong about Ebden Street. Three minutes from the front of the shops, other than the few metres of the top of the T juntion (for obvious reasons), Ebden Street is ALL unlimited parking with broken lines. All the way along.

JC 12:11 pm 25 Oct 16

wildturkeycanoe said :

JC said :

Either way don’t see a simple answer in Ainslie nor do I think it is a government responsibility to ‘fix’ either.

So planning isn’t a government responsibility? What is the LDA, ACTPLA? Whole departments dedicated to planning. As much as public transport is a government responsibility, roads and parking also fall into their jurisdiction. The retailers can’t expand or redevelop an area without the red tape that is required by the authorities.
Yes, old shopping centres weren’t planned for such growth. That is why something needs to happen to keep up with the times. If every business moves away because the centre can’t cater for them, the centre dies.

Yet again you still haven’t mentioned what the solution is.

As for your scenario, maybe the center dying is what is needed. That would then give the owners the opportunity to pull it down and rebuild it into a centre that meets the needs of 2016 and beyond, including sufficient parking for their tenants and their customers.

The governments roll is to facilitate the planning, not be the developer which is what you seem to be inferring.

Postalgeek 11:35 am 25 Oct 16

wildturkeycanoe said :

Electric bike? At $1000+ each it’d be cheaper to park illegally and risk the fines, plus still not fast enough for the half hour max travel time required for a late booking. What about wet weather?

Then get a motorbike or motor scooter and wear a raincoat. And no, it’s not cheaper to park illegally and risk the fines. The money you can potentially save on the running costs of a car is more than enough pay for a new e-bike, or even a motorbike, every year.
But feel free to keep knocking back the work arounds. It’s your situation, not mine.

Tenpoints 9:03 am 25 Oct 16

I don’t think it’s reasonable that the business takes bookings on only an hour’s notice, leaving your wife with just 30 minutes travel time. This policy effectively forces employees to drive a car, taking up parking spaces that could otherwise be used for paying customers. Also, it will be increasingly more difficult to meet that deadline as Canberra grows, just getting through the traffic.

Does the business really make that much money from short notice bookings? Surely this problem would be easily solved by having a minimum two-hour notice period, which would open up so many more transit options.

wildturkeycanoe 9:03 am 25 Oct 16

JC said :

Either way don’t see a simple answer in Ainslie nor do I think it is a government responsibility to ‘fix’ either.

So planning isn’t a government responsibility? What is the LDA, ACTPLA? Whole departments dedicated to planning. As much as public transport is a government responsibility, roads and parking also fall into their jurisdiction. The retailers can’t expand or redevelop an area without the red tape that is required by the authorities.
Yes, old shopping centres weren’t planned for such growth. That is why something needs to happen to keep up with the times. If every business moves away because the centre can’t cater for them, the centre dies.

JC 10:21 pm 24 Oct 16

wildturkeycanoe said :

Electric bike? At $1000+ each it’d be cheaper to park illegally and risk the fines, plus still not fast enough for the half hour max travel time required for a late booking. What about wet weather?
There might be 60 parks out the front but they are time limited to 1 hour or less, no good for a busy day when you need to move the car between clients. There is insufficient all day parking, a problem that should not be a regular worker’s problem to solve. If businesses are expected to relocate because of this issue, which affects customers too, the planning for the centre has been badly done. If there was insufficient parking at the new ASIO building, they wouldn’t blame the staff, it is the government’s fault for not planning for future growth.
Maybe my wife will have to go to the footy club and walk the rest of the way, but don’t expect any sympathy for club members who then have to park at Dickson because the club carpark is filled by employees from surrounding retail centers.

So you still haven’t stated what the answer is.

As for poor planning I disagree very much. The centre was planned for another time. Things have changed demand has changed and it is up to the owners and tenants to change to meet the changing demand. The owners could be the individual businesses choosing alternative business premises that meet the demands of their staff and clients (move) and/or owners of the shopping centre providing sufficient parking of the right type to allow their tenants to conduct business. With costs passed onto tenants of course. Either way don’t see a simple answer in Ainslie nor do I think it is a government responsibility to ‘fix’ either.

wildturkeycanoe 9:41 pm 24 Oct 16

Electric bike? At $1000+ each it’d be cheaper to park illegally and risk the fines, plus still not fast enough for the half hour max travel time required for a late booking. What about wet weather?
There might be 60 parks out the front but they are time limited to 1 hour or less, no good for a busy day when you need to move the car between clients. There is insufficient all day parking, a problem that should not be a regular worker’s problem to solve. If businesses are expected to relocate because of this issue, which affects customers too, the planning for the centre has been badly done. If there was insufficient parking at the new ASIO building, they wouldn’t blame the staff, it is the government’s fault for not planning for future growth.
Maybe my wife will have to go to the footy club and walk the rest of the way, but don’t expect any sympathy for club members who then have to park at Dickson because the club carpark is filled by employees from surrounding retail centers.

JC 7:26 pm 24 Oct 16

wildturkeycanoe said :

The Ebden Street suggestion is no good because there is no on street parking and you will get booked parking on the grass verge as it is also illegal. The other side streets around the shops are either no stopping zones or way too narrow to park on anyway.

The employer can’t do much about parking as they are a tenant of the building, not the owner. You can’t just expect the boss to move the business because parking is terrible, nor can you be choosy about where you work in a job market as bad as it is right now. The only solution is to just get in early if possible and go around and around till someone leaves.

So what exactly do you want done then? Get the government to turn more of Wakefield Gardens into a carpark? BTW I can count over 100 carparks at Ainslie shops. 60 odd outthe front

And I disagree re the owner moving the business. If carparking is important to the clientele and to the workers then it is in THEIR interest to move somewhere that is less restrictive.

bringontheevidence 2:24 pm 24 Oct 16

Why not park near the football club? That’s only about ten minutes easy walk from the Ainslie shops and used to have plenty of available parking during the day.

Postalgeek 10:37 am 24 Oct 16

wildturkeycanoe said :

It is 18km from our place and definitely not going to be done in under an hour, plus as I mentioned, need to be there in half an hour to get ready for the client with an hour’s notice.
The Ebden Street suggestion is no good because there is no on street parking and you will get booked parking on the grass verge as it is also illegal. The other side streets around the shops are either no stopping zones or way too narrow to park on anyway.
The employer can’t do much about parking as they are a tenant of the building, not the owner. You can’t just expect the boss to move the business because parking is terrible, nor can you be choosy about where you work in a job market as bad as it is right now. The only solution is to just get in early if possible and go around and around till someone leaves.

An 250W electric bike will do 18kms in under an hour, easily. They cut out assistance at 25km/h.

An alternative solution is to encourage other people to cycle and actually support cycling infrastructure rather than complaining about cyclists because, you know, they don’t take up parking spaces.

wildturkeycanoe 8:26 am 24 Oct 16

carnardly said :

I just googled the distance between Higgins and Ainslie. it’s under 15 kms.

I expected it to be significantly further.

You may be further out of course, but you also may be further in.

15 kms is totally doable on a bike for any normally healthy person in well under an hour.

It is 18km from our place and definitely not going to be done in under an hour, plus as I mentioned, need to be there in half an hour to get ready for the client with an hour’s notice.
The Ebden Street suggestion is no good because there is no on street parking and you will get booked parking on the grass verge as it is also illegal. The other side streets around the shops are either no stopping zones or way too narrow to park on anyway.
The employer can’t do much about parking as they are a tenant of the building, not the owner. You can’t just expect the boss to move the business because parking is terrible, nor can you be choosy about where you work in a job market as bad as it is right now. The only solution is to just get in early if possible and go around and around till someone leaves.

carnardly 10:44 am 23 Oct 16

I just googled the distance between Higgins and Ainslie. it’s under 15 kms. I expected it to be significantly further. You may be further out of course, but you also may be further in. 15 kms is totally doable on a bike for any normally healthy person in well under an hour.

Masquara 8:59 am 23 Oct 16

JC said :

This has nothing to do with light rail and everything to do with an expanding population. Which actually means more customers for businesses which cannot be anything but a good thing.

As for the parking situation bottom line is business owners should be providing their own parking pure and simple. And in this case the business owner would be the owner of the shopping centre (which btw isn’t the government).

If a tenant feels there is insufficient parking to the extent it effects their business then maybe they should relocate to somewhere that has more parking.

The owner of almost all of the Ainslie Shops is Manual Xirakis. His parking options are limited by heritage requirements (as it should be). Ainslie Shops are still lovely exactly because they are protected from the developer-friendly government. If a business thinks its clients need easy parking, it will need to set up in one of the less desirable suburban centres.

bringontheevidence 2:10 am 23 Oct 16

Paid parking is inevitable across most of the inner north and inner south, and it’s got nothing to do with the light rail.

Ainslie was historically a lower income area of the inner north with a run down set of local shops. It’s now a popular, well used area with a very good collection of health services, some top restaurants and bars and an innovative and successful local supermarket.

The local residents aren’t going to allow their park to be paved for additional car parking spaces to service these facilities, so that means either paid parking will be required to get the most out of the existing spaces, or paid parking will be required for building a second level parking deck behind the shops.

TuggLife 11:23 pm 22 Oct 16

wildturkeycanoe said :

Not on Wednesdays any more, some parents/mothers group has increased the numbers and driving around the block and side streets 3 times didn’t produce any vacancies.

Do you mean Paint & Play? It’s been running at Ainslie shops on Wednesday mornings for years. It’s on 9:30 to 11:00, so the pressure on parking should ease off a bit after that time, and school holidays should be better, as the program doesn’t run then.

carnardly 9:13 pm 22 Oct 16

i travel between clients too and regularly do it on a bike. i just wash my face and do baby wipes and BO basher between jobs. i don’t stink.

There is always a way if you just think outside the square. if you want to, you’ll find a way. otherwise its called an excuse. 🙂

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