25 September 2012

Parking Civic Style

25 September 2012 | johnboy

This in from Mark:

From Sunday ..

3 bikes racing for a cappuccino + 2 cop cars (one under-cover) = proof radio waves travel faster than the fastest motor bike, thus fines all round.

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KB19717:18 am 28 Sep 12

The Antichrist said :

KB1971 said :

Not such an issue on a car as the vehicle has the electrics to run brighter lights (although there are maximum limits of output) motorcycle electrics are not as reliable or powerful as a 100amp alternator commonly seen on modern cars.

What a crock of ignorant dribble.

Car bulbs are not brighter than m/c bulbs because the car has a 100A alternator – a 15W indicator bulb on a car requires exactly the same amount of power as a 15W indicator bulb on a motorcycle and they will have an identical level of ‘brightness’.

There is nothing unreliable about current electrics on most modern bikes, especially Japanese bikes. The alternator output may be a bit less than a car alternator – but that is to be expected. Reliability though – is the same or better than most cars.

I agree about the wattage of bulbs but if you read my last paragraph I say that they have improved but they are not the same nor as good. Smaller generators & batteries = voltsage drop, especially when the vehicle is at idle and the wiring is generally manufactured lighter which also can have voltage drop. A 15w bulb will only give 15 watts of output if it has the electricity supply to do so.

I also said that ADR19 was one of the older ADR’s, what I meant by that is that it was written in a time that vehilces had older technoology & therefore may not be as reliable.

Anything else you would like me to clarify?

Sandman9:40 pm 27 Sep 12

p1 said :

You might find it interesting to search RA for past discussions on foglights, driving lights and their use.

Your idea of “interesting” appears to differ greatly from mine.

The Antichrist7:47 pm 27 Sep 12

KB1971 said :

Not such an issue on a car as the vehicle has the electrics to run brighter lights (although there are maximum limits of output) motorcycle electrics are not as reliable or powerful as a 100amp alternator commonly seen on modern cars.

What a crock of ignorant dribble.

Car bulbs are not brighter than m/c bulbs because the car has a 100A alternator – a 15W indicator bulb on a car requires exactly the same amount of power as a 15W indicator bulb on a motorcycle and they will have an identical level of ‘brightness’.

There is nothing unreliable about current electrics on most modern bikes, especially Japanese bikes. The alternator output may be a bit less than a car alternator – but that is to be expected. Reliability though – is the same or better than most cars.

KB19716:38 pm 27 Sep 12

p1 said :

rhino said :

Is there actually a safety issue with these lights? I strongly suspect the ADRs are just unnecessarily anal about tail lights on a bike…I’m sure the illegal ones on this bike are probably more visible than the legal ones on some other bikes…

A lot of the time it is simply the fact that the indicators are not far enough apart. I tend to think that falls into the “unnecessarily anal” category. Although I have seen some after market lights which were pretty dim, and clearly not as visible as they are supposed to be.

Its about the mixing of the light. If they are too close together the light can blend. The idea of a distance apart is to try to separate the colours.

Not such an issue on a car as the vehicle has the electrics to run brighter lights (although there are maximum limits of output) motorcycle electrics are not as reliable or powerful as a 100amp alternator commonly seen on modern cars.

Having said that, the ADR19 is one of the older ADR’s and electrics have moved on, especially with the advances in LED technology.

p15:07 pm 27 Sep 12

rhino said :

Is there actually a safety issue with these lights? I strongly suspect the ADRs are just unnecessarily anal about tail lights on a bike…I’m sure the illegal ones on this bike are probably more visible than the legal ones on some other bikes…

A lot of the time it is simply the fact that the indicators are not far enough apart. I tend to think that falls into the “unnecessarily anal” category. Although I have seen some after market lights which were pretty dim, and clearly not as visible as they are supposed to be.

rhino3:22 pm 27 Sep 12

p1 said :

jayskette said :

This is what happens when you have a territory not enforcing vehicles to have compulsory pink slips for rego!, but having said that, the bikes look fine… I have seen CARS that should be in the wreck that have current regos, now THAT’s what I call revenue raising

In this case it was a non ADR compliant tail light unit which had been used to replace the factory standard one which caused the defect notice to be issued. The replacement of the ADR compliant tail section with one that looks nice is probably the single most common modification on sports bikes in Aust.
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Is there actually a safety issue with these lights? I strongly suspect the ADRs are just unnecessarily anal about tail lights on a bike…I’m sure the illegal ones on this bike are probably more visible than the legal ones on some other bikes…

Henry8210:21 am 27 Sep 12

> Get “chased” by police

> Neatly reverses into car park

yep certainly a thug

*rolls eyes*

p110:18 am 27 Sep 12

jayskette said :

This is what happens when you have a territory not enforcing vehicles to have compulsory pink slips for rego!, but having said that, the bikes look fine… I have seen CARS that should be in the wreck that have current regos, now THAT’s what I call revenue raising

In this case it was a non ADR compliant tail light unit which had been used to replace the factory standard one which caused the defect notice to be issued. The replacement of the ADR compliant tail section with one that looks nice is probably the single most common modification on sports bikes in Aust.

If a rego check was required every year (as in NSW for example), people would either replace the tail with the factory one for the time it takes to go over the pits (as I imagine many in NSW do) or they would go to a friendly bike shop (probably the one which sold them the tail unit) and they would turn a blind eye (as I imagine many in NSW do).

You don’t seriously thing that all those incredibly loud custom Harleys replace their expensive chrome pipes with legal ones once a year for rego do you?

Yearly checks of cars was great at getting rid off cars with rusted out chassis (as someone said), but for the kind of things people do deliberately (like illegal lights, loud exhausts) or can happen within a year (bald tyres), having cops and RTA randomly (or not so randomly) check the vehicles on the road is a much better use of everyones time IMHO.

KB19716:59 am 27 Sep 12

jayskette said :

This is what happens when you have a territory not enforcing vehicles to have compulsory pink slips for rego!, but having said that, the bikes look fine… I have seen CARS that should be in the wreck that have current regos, now THAT’s what I call revenue raising

Why? So you can palm the responsibility of looking after your car to the government?

The amount of bombs on the road ATM is pretty small and cars are more reliable these days. The days of ball joints falling out and rusty chassis are gone so its really the odd bald tyre (which isnt that much of a risk until it rains anyway) is all you are going to get.

Most motor vehicle accidents are caused by human failure, not mechanical failure,

jayskette9:54 pm 26 Sep 12

This is what happens when you have a territory not enforcing vehicles to have compulsory pink slips for rego!, but having said that, the bikes look fine… I have seen CARS that should be in the wreck that have current regos, now THAT’s what I call revenue raising

colourful sydney racing identity3:59 pm 26 Sep 12

mimi said :

[Text was from ‘mark’ not JB. Thanks for playing.

Regardless of who wrote the text, it wasn’t as witty as they and some others think. The bikes were neatly parked, hardly possible after ‘racing’ – unless the 3 riders were emulating CHiPS and at the end of the ‘pursuit’ were allowed the time to park their bikes in the said parallel legal fashion.
I listened with interest as this saga unfolded on the day, the riders hadn’t done anything wrong, if anything the visual content before the Police (and public) attracted them to the bikes in the first place. The process and people involved seemed polite but some of the comments made by 1 officer reeked of bad sensationalist syndrome – much like Mark’s original title text. Trying to nail 1 rider for having polished wheels had me questioning the reason why I just put my seemingly illegal chrome hubcaps on the family trailer, seriously, if they could cause a driving distraction, then half the cars on the road might need to tape over their chrome wheels, bumpers and trims. As 1 of the riders has already said, it seems that some logic prevailed on the day and no fines were issued, aside from the obligatory defect that some Police are more than happy to issue for rules and regs that they don’t even understand. Nothing else came of the ‘major event’ that some snoop thought would get him a moment of riotact glory – probably lasting as long as his last sexual encounter, unless of course he used the other hand for seconds. Having 5 officers and 2 cars addressing a non-issue on a nice sunny day is a pure waste of resources and common sense. Having Mark stand about 100m to the East and taking photos on the grounds of the A.B.C flats then posting the images to crimestoppers alerting the other 4 officers standing around of the drug dealing, drug taking & shakedowns going on at that very moment would seem more in line with community interest stories that the riotact should be posting. The bikers deserve a bouquet of flowers from the real criminals and thieves in civic for occupying a good number of Police whilst they were able to finish all their illegal transactions for the day. Mark deserves a new phone – even my Nokia E51 takes better snaps than that image and at the very least, its only ever pointed at the real issues of the day, like what my next facebook self-shot will be.

Cliff’s anyone?

mimi12:27 pm 26 Sep 12

[Text was from ‘mark’ not JB. Thanks for playing.

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