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PEDAL POWER WANTS MORE?

By Brianna 23 June 2013 37

The Canberra Times has this story today about UC vice-chancellor Stephen Parker wanting more cycle lanes in Canberra.

“UNIVERSITY of Canberra vice-chancellor and keen bike rider Stephen Parker has called for more cycle lanes in the ACT to be physically separated from cars and other vehicles.

Professor Parker has been made the patron of the ACT’s lobby group for cycling, Pedal Power, and he says Canberra’s cycle routes could be improved.

”The cycle paths available were pretty good years ago but they’re not so cutting edge now,” said the reformist academic leader, who has overseen huge growth and changes to infrastructure at his university in the past five years.”

”Canberra really needs bike lanes physically separated from cars if we want to get a lot more people riding.”

Hmmm, I thought that’s what bike paths were?

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KB1971 10:43 am 26 Jun 13

davo101 said :

Well, except for this bit. I’m sure pedestrians pay some tax.

& cyclists dont?

davo101 9:10 am 26 Jun 13

troll-sniffer said :

Well now, discuss away to your merry hearts’ content

Gee, thanks–I hadn’t realised I needed your blessing.

troll-sniffer said :

however amongst level-headed folk the nation over, the idea has no more merit than any similar plan to charge pedestrians for the footpaths upon which they are allowed to walk

So we’re in violent agreement then…

troll-sniffer said :

scot-free.

Well, except for this bit. I’m sure pedestrians pay some tax.

troll-sniffer 2:58 pm 25 Jun 13

Which indicates, from the context, that we are discussing the idea of charging bicyclists a registration fee to cover the cost of building cycling infrastructure. As I said earlier, your example of Japan is not an example of this practice.

Well now, discuss away to your merry hearts’ content, however amongst level-headed folk the nation over, the idea has no more merit than any similar plan to charge pedestrians for the footpaths upon which they are allowed to walk scot-free.

davo101 1:25 pm 25 Jun 13

Objective said :

Are you honestly attempting to imply that motor registration pays for the entirety of road infrastructure?

Err….no. I don’t see how anyone following the discussion could have possibly thought that’s what I was saying.

Objective said :

The poster purported that no country would impose a bicycle registration fee and I proved otherwise, pretty simple.

Which was in response to this:

benno1 said :

Sure, give them separated bike paths (noting they already have them in Canberra everywhere and don’t use them) and charge them registration fees to cover the cost.

Which indicates, from the context, that we are discussing the idea of charging bicyclists a registration fee to cover the cost of building cycling infrastructure. As I said earlier, your example of Japan is not an example of this practice.

ToastFliesRED 1:18 pm 25 Jun 13

Won’t somebody, please, think of the children?

Aeek 12:20 pm 25 Jun 13

I’ve used that Rudd St abomination once, never again. The treatment makes it harder to avoid an idiot turniing left on top of me, don’t get it. Guess it provides the illusion of safety to naive riders who don’t understand the threats.

Leon 11:38 am 25 Jun 13

If Stephen Parker had done some research, he might have concluded that ”Canberra really needs MORE SHARED FOOTPATHS AND COMMUNITY PATHS if we want to get a lot more people riding.”

Only 70% of Canberra’s streets have walking or cycling facilities (other than nature strips, which are often obstructed). That makes it particularly difficult for a quarter of Canberra’s cyclists – children under ten – to even get to a footpath.

Most cyclists avoid the partially separated cycle lanes of the Rudd Street section of the Civic Cycle Loop. Only 38 commuters use them.

They cost seven times as much as footpath improvements on Wentworth Avenue. Thirty-nine cycle commuters and seventeen walking commuters use the Wentworth Avenue footpath.

It will cost $1.4 million to build cycle lanes on the Allara St section of the Civic Cycle Loop, to cater for less than 100 commuters.

For the same cost we could build nine shared paths that would cater for around 400 commuters, along University Avenue, Menindee Drive and Easty Street, from Panton Street to Antill Street, from the Lake to the War Memorial, to bypass the Mawson Shops, and to link Thesiger Court to Yamba Drive, Giralang to Wiliam Slim Drive, and Fisher to the Tuggeranong Parkway.

Postalgeek 11:20 am 25 Jun 13

CraigT said :

Cyclists in Canberra get more km of cycle path per cyclist than anywhere else in the world, Denmark and Holland included, so I think the ACT Ratepayer (who pays for these things) is sick to the back teeth of hearing yet more demands from this noisy fringe.

Wankers are easy to spot. They’re the ones who take it upon themselves to speak on behalf of everyone else.

tim_c 10:59 am 25 Jun 13

It’s interesting that the UC vice-chancellor is calling for more bike lanes. Unless they’ve changed it since I went there last, the UC was one of the least cycle-friendly places I ever visited with cycle access only really available from the western side (unless you like to ride up or down flights of stairs). And guess where most of Canberra is in relation to UC – not to the west!

KB1971 8:02 am 25 Jun 13

CraigT said :

Cyclists in Canberra get more km of cycle path per cyclist than anywhere else in the world, Denmark and Holland included, so I think the ACT Ratepayer (who pays for these things) is sick to the back teeth of hearing yet more demands from this noisy fringe.

Link to your facts? Byciclecanberra may be able to help with some inf but it may not be the same as yours.

So you think people who ride bikes pay no taxes or rates or contribute to society at all?

Grrrr 11:52 pm 24 Jun 13

CraigT said :

I think the ACT Ratepayer (who pays for these things) is sick to the back teeth of hearing yet more demands from this noisy fringe.

You should stop thinking that your criminal arrogance is representative of the majority of Territorians.

CraigT 9:38 pm 24 Jun 13

Objective said :

davo101 said :

Objective said :

Pork Hunt said :

No government in the world will ever make cyclists pay for rego.

A very glib comment. Off the top of my head I can name at least one Government that does, Japan; no doubt there are more.

Bike registration in Japan is a theft deterrence measure. It costs you $5.50 to register your bike for life.

Here’s a challenge–see if you can find a jurisdiction where they attempt to pay for cycling infrastructure by charging cyclists a registration fee.

Are you honestly attempting to imply that motor registration pays for the entirety of road infrastructure? Just because the registration fee doesn’t cover the whole cost, doesn’t mean that it’s neither worthless nor a registration fee. The poster purported that no country would impose a bicycle registration fee and I proved otherwise, pretty simple.

Cyclists in Canberra get more km of cycle path per cyclist than anywhere else in the world, Denmark and Holland included, so I think the ACT Ratepayer (who pays for these things) is sick to the back teeth of hearing yet more demands from this noisy fringe.

Objective 6:00 pm 24 Jun 13

davo101 said :

Objective said :

Pork Hunt said :

No government in the world will ever make cyclists pay for rego.

A very glib comment. Off the top of my head I can name at least one Government that does, Japan; no doubt there are more.

Bike registration in Japan is a theft deterrence measure. It costs you $5.50 to register your bike for life.

Here’s a challenge–see if you can find a jurisdiction where they attempt to pay for cycling infrastructure by charging cyclists a registration fee.

Are you honestly attempting to imply that motor registration pays for the entirety of road infrastructure? Just because the registration fee doesn’t cover the whole cost, doesn’t mean that it’s neither worthless nor a registration fee. The poster purported that no country would impose a bicycle registration fee and I proved otherwise, pretty simple.

thatsnotme 5:38 pm 24 Jun 13

magiccar9 said :

Has this nimby stuck his well educated head outside his office recently? Canberra is abundant with cyclist infrastructure. ACTION park’n’ride cages litter our streets. We have those fandangled up-down segregated cycle tracks through Civic. We have fluorescent green cycle lanes on every second or third street. We have incredible bike paths, and quite possibly the most vocal cycling community the world has ever seen.

The point I’m making is that if anything we’re under utilising the existing infrastructure we have for cyclists. I’m yet to see the giant cycle lane on Adelaide Avenue clogged with cyclists during peak hour (heck, I’m lucky to see more than 5 cyclists at a time on the entire length of it). I’m yet to see the cycle paths around the capital brimming with lycra clad bums, and every time I pass the ACTION bike cages they’re almost completely empty.
So to Mr Parker I say that if we want people to get out and ride more they need to do exactly that… get out and ride. Instead we have a cycling community of loud mouths who’d rather sit in their office and bitch and moan about never having enough. You do! Get outside, use what’s provided for you and stop complaining about how hard you have life!

As a semi-regular cyclist, I take your point – I’ve been riding into work some mornings, and wondering where all the other cyclists are. Sure, I run into plenty when I come down Barry Drive and towards the ANU, but they’re pretty thin on the ground before then.

From my perspective, one of the problems with the infrastructure we do have, is that it’s piecemeal. On / Off-road cycle paths that don’t link to anything, or suddenly end – so instead of having a space of your own, you’re either on the road with cars, or forced off the road onto regular paths.

My commute from West Belconnen starts near Kippax. Heading up Southern Cross Drive there is no bike lane, so I ride on the old, bumpy footpath next to the road. I don’t mind riding on roads, but Southern Cross is narrow, busy, and has a heap of heavy vehicle traffic – it’s not a risk I’ll take. That footpath is bumpy, I’ve got to cross dozens of driveways…it’s not ideal.

An on-road bike lane appears towards the top, which I take until the intersection with Kingsford Smith Drive. Heading through the intersection, the bike lane again vanishes, before reappearing half way down then hill. At Ratcliffe Drive it again disappears, until a ‘Form One Lane’ further down the road, where it reappears.

I feel lucky that from this point onwards, I’ve at least got on-road bike paths the rest of the way.

You can’t just look at a nice wide cycle lane up Adelaide Avenue, and use that to judge whether cyclists are using what they’ve already got. Because if the road to the quality pieces of infrastructure are dodgy, dangerous, or simply non-existent, then a heap of people just won’t take the risk.

dtc 5:36 pm 24 Jun 13

magiccar9 said :

Has this nimby stuck his well educated head outside his office recently? Canberra is abundant with cyclist infrastructure. ACTION park’n’ride cages litter our streets. We have those fandangled up-down segregated cycle tracks through Civic. We have fluorescent green cycle lanes on every second or third street. We have incredible bike paths, and quite possibly the most vocal cycling community the world has ever seen.

The point I’m making is that if anything we’re under utilising the existing infrastructure we have for cyclists. I’m yet to see the giant cycle lane on Adelaide Avenue clogged with cyclists during peak hour (heck, I’m lucky to see more than 5 cyclists at a time on the entire length of it). I’m yet to see the cycle paths around the capital brimming with lycra clad bums, and every time I pass the ACTION bike cages they’re almost completely empty.
So to Mr Parker I say that if we want people to get out and ride more they need to do exactly that… get out and ride. Instead we have a cycling community of loud mouths who’d rather sit in their office and bitch and moan about never having enough. You do! Get outside, use what’s provided for you and stop complaining about how hard you have life!

Well, lack of cyclists on Adelaide Ave may well be proving his point.

I can point to, oh, 50% of roads in Canberra that have less than 20 vehicles driving down them every day. Just take a look at all the ‘places’ in Belco that only get driven on by residents. But we dont hear calls to abolish them do we.

I can also point to bike paths/lanes that have several hundred riders per day. I guess, like Northbourne Ave and Parkes Way etc, they are paths that go to places people want to go to.

Pointing to an unused cycle path and claiming it represents Canberra cyclists is like me pointing to Gidja Place in Giralang and saying I never anyone use it. Its true people dont use it, there are reasons for that

jase! 5:12 pm 24 Jun 13

so Prof. Parker wants some more bike lanes?

I wanted to keep my job at UC a few years back too rather than be outsourced to india but we don’t always get what we want

perhaps he can get a few indians on on 457’s to build his paths on the cheap

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