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Phillip Green needs to improve the admin at ACT polling places?

By Masquara 19 October 2012 35

I voted at Pilgrim House and found the arrangements a bit slack. The polling box was soft green canvas, and when I went to “drop” mine in, it was so full, and the zip closer so soft and wide, that I could easily have reach in and fished out a handful of votes, with the exit RIGHT next to the “box”.

It was of course well within view of the people recording details and handing out the forms, but there was NO-ONE watching it! It appears that the electoral commission was attempting to save $$ by doubling up one of the tasks, so the lady ushering people in was perhaps also the security detail on the box.

It would actually have been easy to grab the whole box and run out the door with hundreds or thousands of votes, as there was no-one watching it and the people nearby were sitting behind tables.

When I told the lady at the door (when she had returned from the other side of the room) that I could easily have grabbed a handful of votes out, and she would have been none the wiser, she said, “Oh, OK, I’ll shake the box”.

It all felt a bit like a polling place in a country that wasn’t quite up to ensuring the democratic vote – rather than one of the world’s most developed and competent democracies.

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NoImRight 10:06 am 22 Oct 12

I noticed at my polling place they had no plans at all on what to do if a black hole suddenly appeared and sucked us into a parallel universe where people didnt spend their days trying to find problems that dont exist! I was appalled, appalled I say!

When oh when will this Government…etc etc etc

switch 7:55 am 22 Oct 12

dtc said :

I suspect the reason why security is a bit lax is simply because nothing has ever happened to justify having tigher/better/more expensive security.

Like that’s ever been a reason not to introduce more security if there was a buck to be made, eg the “security theatre” at our airports nowadays.

dtc 10:27 pm 21 Oct 12

I suspect the reason why security is a bit lax is simply because nothing has ever happened to justify having tigher/better/more expensive security. I cannot ever recall hearing of someone ‘stealing’ a box full of votes. I guess it could happen; but so could many things. However, there is security that you do not know about and isnt totally visible.

As mentioned, requiring ID is only going to disenfranchise people without ID (or who turn up without ID etc). Usually poorer people, hence the reason why the Republicans in the US are pushing for voter ID requirements.

PantsMan 8:39 pm 21 Oct 12

Spykler said :

fabforty said :

I have always wondered why no-one ever asks for identification when you turn up to vote. Any ideas ?

I voted electronically at the Gungahlin library polling place and was asked for my ID before I got issued with my bar code strip.

Clearly, you were disenfranchised then.

Spykler 8:14 pm 21 Oct 12

fabforty said :

I have always wondered why no-one ever asks for identification when you turn up to vote. Any ideas ?

I voted electronically at the Gungahlin library polling place and was asked for my ID before I got issued with my bar code strip.

Pork Hunt 8:02 pm 21 Oct 12

poetix said :

Pork Hunt said :

Your wit and wisdom makes me green with envy…

You look quite pink in your new porktrait.

Not too subtle?

Taken from the “rear view” mirror last time I was at the hair dresser..

Give me a week or two and I’ll show you the front.

pirate_taco 7:33 pm 21 Oct 12

PantsMan said :

Holditz said :

Anyone take advantage of any cake stalls and/or sausage sizzles?

Went to Cube later, someone offeref

Wokie said :

Ate said :

housebound said :

Our neighbour turned up to be told he wasn’t on the electoral roll, even though it appears when he checked the AEC website. Hope this doesn’t happen too much. Disenfranchising voters is never a good thing.

Same thing happened to my flatmate, despite her receiving a letter confirming she was enrolled at our address. They didn’t turn her away.

Mr Ate and I filled out our ballot papers at Ainslie Primary at 8am, extremely quick and easy.

When I moved to Canberra I updated my electoral enrolment and recieved notification that it was updated. Down the track it was voting time and turned up to vote and was told “Sorry your not on the roll” showed them my enrolment details. A few months after the election I recieved a fine in the mail for not voting. Upon making enquiries I was told it was for not voting at my old address! I got the fine waved after being able to show I was enrolled at new address.

An absolute joke.

On another issue, the Pirate Party were told to have their registration in by midnight on a Saturday. Only problem was that the Legislation Act 2001 says that, when a deadline falls on Saturday or Sunday, it is deemed to be COB on the following Monday.

So basically, does Phillip Green have a clue what he’s doing?

In this case it likely wouldn’t have changed the outcome, as I think it was Tuesday or Wednesday when we got the feedback that 16 of our 110 members supplied could not be found on the ACT roll, and that they could not be given the opportunity to correct their enrolment to their current address in order to support our party registration because we were now past the deadline for registration, and that amending the registration would be taken to be a new application.
But you are right, and the advice we received about what the deadline was does appear to have been incorrect, though I’m sure there was a disclaimer there that it wasn’t legal advice or something to that effect.

The problem of AEC not processing updates, or enrolments disappearing is a bigger issue I think.
When I called our members who couldn’t be found on the ACT roll, I had multiple members confirm that they had changed their address with AEC, and that there must be a mistake.

We also had one member who was confirmed as enrolled in ACT in July, but had disappeared from the roll when we used them to support our “independent” nomination forms a few weeks ago.

So what is going wrong inside the AEC, where Phillip Green gets his roll from?

Glen Takkenberg
Pirate Party ACT

poetix 6:35 pm 21 Oct 12

Pork Hunt said :

Your wit and wisdom makes me green with envy…

You look quite pink in your new porktrait. Not too subtle?

c_c 5:28 pm 21 Oct 12

Nightshade said :

fabforty said :

I have always wondered why no-one ever asks for identification when you turn up to vote. Any ideas ?

I rather enjoy living in a society where that isn’t necessary. I’d say you don’t need to show ID because there isn’t a problem with people impersonating other people in an effort to cast extra votes.

Not sure what the figure is in Australia, but certainly in the US, where photo ID is a requirement or proposed requirements in some states, the problem is many Americans don’t have photo ID. The requirement for ID would attract arguments, and may very well be a form of voter exclusion.

PantsMan 5:19 pm 21 Oct 12

Holditz said :

Anyone take advantage of any cake stalls and/or sausage sizzles?

Went to Cube later, someone offeref

Wokie said :

Ate said :

housebound said :

Our neighbour turned up to be told he wasn’t on the electoral roll, even though it appears when he checked the AEC website. Hope this doesn’t happen too much. Disenfranchising voters is never a good thing.

Same thing happened to my flatmate, despite her receiving a letter confirming she was enrolled at our address. They didn’t turn her away.

Mr Ate and I filled out our ballot papers at Ainslie Primary at 8am, extremely quick and easy.

When I moved to Canberra I updated my electoral enrolment and recieved notification that it was updated. Down the track it was voting time and turned up to vote and was told “Sorry your not on the roll” showed them my enrolment details. A few months after the election I recieved a fine in the mail for not voting. Upon making enquiries I was told it was for not voting at my old address! I got the fine waved after being able to show I was enrolled at new address.

An absolute joke.

On another issue, the Pirate Party were told to have their registration in by midnight on a Saturday. Only problem was that the Legislation Act 2001 says that, when a deadline falls on Saturday or Sunday, it is deemed to be COB on the following Monday.

So basically, does Phillip Green have a clue what he’s doing?

poetix 5:17 pm 21 Oct 12

54-11 said :

poetix said :

Masquara solves the mystery:

The green canvas box contained all the Green votes and Philip Green’s minions could not prevent them being stolen!

Yep, an intellectual giant alright.

Will try harder to be dull and sensible.

54-11 5:04 pm 21 Oct 12

poetix said :

Masquara solves the mystery:

The green canvas box contained all the Green votes and Philip Green’s minions could not prevent them being stolen!

Yep, an intellectual giant alright.

Pork Hunt 3:57 pm 21 Oct 12

poetix said :

Masquara solves the mystery:

The green canvas box contained all the Green votes and Philip Green’s minions could not prevent them being stolen!

An enjoyable fantasy anyway. There are more greens in that sentence than there will be in the Assembly.

Your wit and wisdom makes me green with envy…

poetix 3:28 pm 21 Oct 12

Masquara solves the mystery:

The green canvas box contained all the Green votes and Philip Green’s minions could not prevent them being stolen!

An enjoyable fantasy anyway. There are more greens in that sentence than there will be in the Assembly.

Nightshade 12:09 pm 21 Oct 12

Masquara said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

… till the fleet footed hooligans had reached the nearest park and spread our votes all over the playground. What would happen then? Dud election, start over?

Hence my advice to Phillip Green. In a close election like this one, if the above happened, yes, a new election would be called, at cost, annoyance and inconvenience to the electorate. You’d think the Electoral Commissioner would have done an adequate risk analysis on this, and made sure some simple, no-cost steps were taken to minimise the risk: position the ballot box where it can’t be earily grabbed and run with; brief staff on the risks; and ensure that surveilling it is a priority on the part of the staff present. A no-brainer.

If a new election would be called, what would be the point in running off with a ballot box? Perhaps the hooligans have done their own risk assessment and decided it’s not worth it.

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