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Pialligo bike heist

By johnboy - 9 July 2011 46

ACT Policing is investigating the theft of two bicycles valued at $18,000 on Beltana Road in Pialligo yesterday morning (Thursday, July 7).

Around 9.30am the victim parked his vehicle on Beltana Road, near the Pialligo and Fairbairn Avenue intersection. The victim had two bicycles secured to the top of his vehicle. He returned to his vehicle about 30 minutes later to find both bicycles had been stolen.

The first bicycle is an Orbea Orca (brand and model) full carbon fibre road racing bicycle. It is black with white lettering and white stripes down each side of the frame.

The second bicycle is a Specialized Epic (brand and model) full carbon fibre cross-country mountain bike. The bike is primarily black in colour.

Anyone who may be able to assist police in locating either of these bicycles is asked to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000, or via the Crime Stoppers website on www.act.crimestoppers.com.au

[Courtesy ACT Policing]

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KB1971 6:38 pm 19 Jul 11

dvaey said :

KB1971 said :

I cant belive he is ignoring the valid (& correct) points about consolidated revenue, GST, the minimal amout that rego fee’s go to roads & having a car sitting there not destroying roads while people like myself are riding to work.

Im not ignoring those points at all. So you point out that revenue from rego doesnt go towards roads, then point out that youre doing your part by leaving your registered vehicle at home? Does that mean youd also happily ride a motorbike without rego, because your 2-ton road-destroying car is sitting at home?

KB1971 said :

Its a bit like me trying to say that I dont want people less fortunate than me to get free hospital care because they dont pay the medicare levy.

If you break the law, do you lose that hospital care like youd lose a car licence? Medical care is more of a basic right, when compared to the privellige of driving on a public roadway.

KB1971 said :

II also dont get how a bicycle paying rego will stop cyclists riding in 100km/h zones. this would give use MORE entitlement to be there.

Because it is then understood to be a privellige, not a right. And with the privellige, comes the responsibility. The ‘rego’ is a token amount, to receive an indication to show other road users that you understand the road rules and the laws applying to your vehicle. The whole point wouldnt be to raise money, it is to be able to identify those who should be on the road and those who shouldnt, the same way the rego costs for cars, bikes, trucks, etc doesnt cover the cost of roads (but is still legally required).

Others have pointed out that Pedal Power members have insurance (and obviously although not guaranteed, more knowledge of bike laws). Maybe theres a place for Pedal Power to issue some form of card or plate to members, which they can affix to their bike to show other roadusers that they too know the rules and are insured. It wont change the number of idiots on bikes on the roads, but at least it might make it easier for people to report illegal/dangerous cyclist activities.

I see now where you are coming from, you want bikes outlawed from the road unless they pay rego?
I am not sure that is going to happen as there is a fatal flaw in this plan. Where do you propose that they ride? While Canberra has a fantastic range of bike paths, they dont go everywhere.

What you are really talking about is a licencing system, just because a bike has rego, it doesnt mean that the operator has a great grasp of the rules. I see merit in what you are saying, roadcraft education should be taught to school kids but there will never be a liciencing nor a registration system.

One thing you seem hell bent on is saying that cyclists are the bane of society & the only people who do wrong on our roads. This is incorrect, no matter what your from of transport, if you are going to break the rules, you are going to break the rules.

To answer your question about the motorbike, I was riding a motorbike (registered of course) to work daily but many near misses with inattentive motorists has made me reconsider. Ironically the nail in the coffin was I had an accident with a cyclist where Cotter Road joins Adelaide Ave. No one was really hurt but he could have easily been a car that turned across in front of me. Cycling has so fan not provided me with those moments & its is fun even at -4.1 & in the fog.

I would not ride a motorbike unregistered as it is a requirement by law for it to be registered.

The point about me leaving my car at home while it is registered? Counter argument to the silly argument of “bikes must pay rego”.

One of the big reasons there is such responsibility placed on having a licence & registration is that anything that is 250kg & above travelling at 100km/h can cause a lot of collateral damage if something silly happens & plows into a group of school kids waiting at a crossing. A pushy at 40km/h? Not so much. People are so easily killed by cars its not funny.

I am a Pedal Power member so I have insurance. I like my house too much.

Come for a ride with me sometime, you might like it 🙂 (I am making an ass out of u & me here & assuming you dont…….).

Watson 11:21 am 19 Jul 11

troll-sniffer said :

Your entire attitude throughout this forum demonstrates one of the basic anti-social tenets held by quite a large section of the population, that having a car somehow confers rights of passage and abuse simply because of the potential for speed.

Or maybe because of the bull bar?

+1 on that post. I couldn’t be bothered trying to formulate a response as it was so totally irrational.

troll-sniffer 10:00 am 19 Jul 11

If you break the law, do you lose that hospital care like youd lose a car licence? Medical care is more of a basic right, when compared to the privellige of driving on a public roadway.

dvaey… you’ve consistently demonstrated an anti-cyclist bias that i have consistently let through to the keeper, but now you’re starting to get on my wick. Since when has access to the roads system been a privilege? Driving a car is considered a privilege, that’s why you need a licence. Other forms of access aren’t considered a privilege, they are a right.

Your entire attitude throughout this forum demonstrates one of the basic anti-social tenets held by quite a large section of the population, that having a car somehow confers rights of passage and abuse simply because of the potential for speed. Until attitudes such as yours that roads are for cars and everyone else in an invitee are changed, society continues to suffer.

dvaey 6:38 am 19 Jul 11

KB1971 said :

I cant belive he is ignoring the valid (& correct) points about consolidated revenue, GST, the minimal amout that rego fee’s go to roads & having a car sitting there not destroying roads while people like myself are riding to work.

Im not ignoring those points at all. So you point out that revenue from rego doesnt go towards roads, then point out that youre doing your part by leaving your registered vehicle at home? Does that mean youd also happily ride a motorbike without rego, because your 2-ton road-destroying car is sitting at home?

KB1971 said :

Its a bit like me trying to say that I dont want people less fortunate than me to get free hospital care because they dont pay the medicare levy.

If you break the law, do you lose that hospital care like youd lose a car licence? Medical care is more of a basic right, when compared to the privellige of driving on a public roadway.

KB1971 said :

II also dont get how a bicycle paying rego will stop cyclists riding in 100km/h zones. this would give use MORE entitlement to be there.

Because it is then understood to be a privellige, not a right. And with the privellige, comes the responsibility. The ‘rego’ is a token amount, to receive an indication to show other road users that you understand the road rules and the laws applying to your vehicle. The whole point wouldnt be to raise money, it is to be able to identify those who should be on the road and those who shouldnt, the same way the rego costs for cars, bikes, trucks, etc doesnt cover the cost of roads (but is still legally required).

Others have pointed out that Pedal Power members have insurance (and obviously although not guaranteed, more knowledge of bike laws). Maybe theres a place for Pedal Power to issue some form of card or plate to members, which they can affix to their bike to show other roadusers that they too know the rules and are insured. It wont change the number of idiots on bikes on the roads, but at least it might make it easier for people to report illegal/dangerous cyclist activities.

alaninoz 7:13 am 14 Jul 11

dvaey said :

… and that I am qualified and knowledgable in the control of the vehicle and the road rules.

Interesting point. Other road users have to demonstrate competency, why not cyclists? Don’t have an answer or a viewpoint (yet), just wondering. Maybe because incompetent cyclists usually only seriously damage themselves and the occasional pedestrian.

KB1971 7:54 pm 13 Jul 11

Watson said :

dvaey said :

Watson said :

I think we shouldn’t stop at cyclists. We should also force pedestrians to pay registration to use bike paths and pedestrian crossings.

A pedestrian walking a footpath with other pedestrians at 3km/hr is a different kettle of fish to someone riding a bike in an on-road bike lane at 20km/hr with traffic 1-2m away travelling at upto 100km/hr. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to see this, although judging by some comments, some fail to see the difference. Bikes and pedestrians have their own designated paths, which cars are not allowed to travel on.

Watson said :

Now don’t get me started on people using public parks and bbq facilities! Bludgers, all of them!

As far as Im aware, there are no laws restricting anyones use of public bbq’s like there are laws restricting the use of public roads. If you think Im wrong, feel free to point me to the ACT Public Barbecue Act that covers the relevant laws. Or maybe you think Im wrong that there are laws restricting public roads? Either way you chose a bad argument.

I can’t believe you actually made the effort to respond to that in such detail!

I cant belive he is ignoring the valid (& correct) points about consolidated revenue, GST, the minimal amout that rego fee’s go to roads & having a car sitting there not destroying roads while people like myself are riding to work.

Its a bit like me trying to say that I dont want people less fortunate than me to get free hospital care because they dont pay the medicare levy.

I also dont get how a bicycle paying rego will stop cyclists riding in 100km/h zones. this would give use MORE entitlement to be there.

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