Police Wrap – 17 July

johnboy 17 July 2008 42

1. The police inform us that two teenagers from Curtin and Narrabundah were caught yesterday allegedly trying to steal a Hyundai Excel from Constitution Avenue.

Someone called it in and the police got there so quickly they nabbed the lads still in the car park. So nice work by all concerned.

    The two youths will face the ACT Children’s Court tomorrow (July 17); the 14-year-old charged with taking a motor vehicle without consent, the 15-year-old with riding in a motor vehicle without consent.

2. They’re also letting us know that the new RAPID system (Recognition and Analysis of Plates IDentified, glad I wasn’t in that meeting) has found 45 unregistered vehicles and 26 defectives.

    In two days (Tuesday, July 15, and Wednesday, July 16), 4070 vehicles were checked by the RAPID system. RAPID is now in regular use by Traffic Operations throughout the ACT.

    The following results were noted:
    · 45 unregistered vehicles detected;
    · 16 uninsured vehicles detected;
    · 31 persons found with licence issues (either suspended, inactive or unlicensed);
    · 28 Traffic Infringement Notices issued;
    · 26 defect notices issued (major and minor).

On a brighter note 1956 RBT’s found no positive readings.


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123qwe 123qwe 8:45 am 18 Jul 08

Does anyone know if those little shits were held in custody, or did the court let them go (resulting in another car being stolen from the court car park)?

ant ant 9:49 pm 17 Jul 08

Stealing a Excel?! Oh dear. Well, there’s a nice new kiddie detention centre and kids indulging in such anti=social (and stupid) acts need to be in it.

I avoid the servo in Qbn that insists on pre-pay after 6pm because, as Danman says, it’s a lot of buggerising about. I notice that some servos close the pumps that are at the edge of the servo at night though.

The yanks have pre-pay on their pumps, in SLC I think every servo I visited had that (and I used it). You swipe your card, get the petrol, and it gives you a little receipt and off you go.

Which means you never set foot inside the servo and get inundated with Deals on mars bars and CDs and god knows what else!

Felix the Cat Felix the Cat 9:06 pm 17 Jul 08

I saw the RAPID camera yesterday (Wed) on William Slim Drive between Barton Hwy roundabout and Chuculba Cres at about 12.15pm. It was a small camera on a tripod sitting outside on the road just behind a marked Police van. A few hundred metres down the road was a couple of Police cars and a fleet of uniformed coppers and a rego inspector.

I imagine it would be too labour intensive to set up an operation like this every day (2-3 Police vehicles and 6-8 cops).

Servos aren’t really interested in a ‘proper’ fix to the drive off situation (like installing EFTPOS terminals at the pump) because that means the punters have no reason to come inside and buy their rip-off lollies, chips and drinks, which is where they make most of their profit. So the operators will just continue to bleat to the press about it while continuing to make 500%+ profit on the Coke and Mars Bars.

Headbonius Headbonius 8:41 pm 17 Jul 08

RAPID in Servos is just a plain stupid idea. Most drive-offs are done with bodgy plates on the vehicle. Wake up people, criminals actually display a modicum of smarts on occassion and using their own plates on the vehicle is something not many of them do. Pre-pay is the way to go, at least they can use stolen credit cards then.

HA HA 8:35 pm 17 Jul 08

Danman, your idea about RAPID in servos is not so way out there. How it will eventually be rolled-out is that the major petrol company chains will install them progressively around Australia so that they read a plate coming in and before you can get out of the car and pull the nozzle from the bowser, the console operator will have got info back from the day’s upload of stolen plates — so you’ll either get the bowser switched on for fuel, or you’ll be locked out because your plates register as stolen. And it’s all automatic and takes milliseconds to register!

Further, among the service stations, there will be a register of drive-off offenders’ plates and if the plate registers on RAPID as you enter the servo as a previous drive-off at ANY station within the chain (and eventually the country), you’re stuffed. Ain’t Big Brother; just an effective use of technology.

Vancouver Police use it very effectively to track down stolen vehicles in car parks, stand off in an unmarked, and then pounce when the ‘thief’ gets in to drive away. There’s a good You Tube demo of it (don’t have URL handy).

thecman thecman 8:21 pm 17 Jul 08

I like Bundybear’s suggestion – although I wonder whether service stations would be willing to spend the money to install a boom gate / ticket validation system?

I guess that if service stations here ever moved to pre-pay it would take a while for customers to get used to a new process – in particular how much a ‘filler-up’ will cost. Mind you, with the cost of fuel continually rising, I suspect we are all paying much closer attention to how much a full, half, quarter tank of fuel costs. Probably service stations will resist pre-pay or other protective measures such as boom gates, tyre spikes etc until they are no longer able to absorb the losses caused by drive offs. Unfortunately this means the big players (Coles and Woolies) will survive and the locally owned Mum and Dad operations demise will be hastened.

bigfeet bigfeet 7:51 pm 17 Jul 08

I suppose its hard for cash sales, but what about connecting the pump to an eftpos machine?

You swipe your card and enter pin before filling up…and it just takes the amount that is on the bowser?

I guess that would then be a problem with those 4cent off vouchers that everyone seems to use.

Bundybear Bundybear 7:47 pm 17 Jul 08

Bit off topic but how about one way servos. Same system as many carparks. Drive through boom gate on the way in after collecting ticket, fill up, pay, ticket validated by pump attendant, stick it in the slot on the way out and the boom gate goes up. QED. Cops can stay on the job monitoring our Amber.

Danman Danman 7:16 pm 17 Jul 08

Not sure if it would be a reasonable use of Police resources to have a RAPID equipped Police vehicle stationed at each of the 60 odd service stations in the ACT whenever they are open to prevent people stealing petrol.

I was not suggesting that police man petrol stations – perhaps it can run semi-automatically – with pump attendant assistance – and spikes on all exits are revealed when the system scans a dodgy numberplate – therefore minimising stock loss.

I dunno – but I agree – manning petrol stations with cops is a lousy use of resources.

Oh and hay, call me stupid – but whats the go with pre paid petrol – I understand if I wanna put 20 in or so – but what if I want to fll er up ? Do i have to hand over excess cash – fill up and then get my change.

Seems like a lot of walking and buggerising around..

Special G Special G 7:14 pm 17 Jul 08

Crooks steal Hyundai excels as it only takes a paddle pod stick to start one. Then you get the bonus of stealing a tasty icecream as well.

Bungle Bungle 7:12 pm 17 Jul 08

Most service stations do after about 10.00pm now don’t they?

I think most that did have now stopped. I reckon the servo’s lost more in sales than they would from drive off’s because people don’t really like prepaying.

bigfeet bigfeet 6:43 pm 17 Jul 08

thecman said :

The most effective way to prevent drive off’s would be to institute a system of pre-payment for fuel – indeed this would virtually stop the problem immediately.

Most service stations do after about 10.00pm now don’t they?

thecman thecman 6:37 pm 17 Jul 08

“Why they do not use this technology at service stations is beyond me – they could scan every car entering and know who has stolen plates 0 i.e an indicator that they intend doing a runner.”

A small number of service stations do have this technology installed. Not sure if it would be a reasonable use of Police resources to have a RAPID equipped Police vehicle stationed at each of the 60 odd service stations in the ACT whenever they are open to prevent people stealing petrol. Also, it is important to remember that only a portion of petrol drive off’s involve stolen vehicles or number plates. Unfortunately the technology cannot yet read the driver’s mind to ascertain what they may intend to do when putting petrol in their car. The most effective way to prevent drive off’s would be to institute a system of pre-payment for fuel – indeed this would virtually stop the problem immediately.

bigfeet bigfeet 6:36 pm 17 Jul 08

Danman said :

Cranky – I understand that 3rd party insurance lapses 14 days after the registration does.

Yea, I think its just a deal that the private insurance companies have with the government, just to cover those people who pay on the last day of their rego, but it takes a week for the paperwork to get over to the insurance company.

At least that’s what I have been told. Its probably wrong!!

Interesting though Spidey that in NSW it all expires together.

Spideydog Spideydog 6:17 pm 17 Jul 08

Commercial registrations are the same – 14 days then 3rd party expire.

NSW expire on the day registration does.

johnboy johnboy 6:02 pm 17 Jul 08

cranky said :

Another question.

I would assume all registered vehicles would also have valid third party insurance – its part of the fee. Why is there a diference between the number of unregistered vehicles and those lacking third party insurance?

Commercial registrations?

Or NSW drivers?

Spideydog Spideydog 5:52 pm 17 Jul 08

Correct Danman.

Danman Danman 5:47 pm 17 Jul 08

Cranky – I understand that 3rd party insurance lapses 14 days after the registration does.
Happy to be corrected.

Hope that answers your question

cranky cranky 5:31 pm 17 Jul 08

Another question.

I would assume all registered vehicles would also have valid third party insurance – its part of the fee. Why is there a diference between the number of unregistered vehicles and those lacking third party insurance?

Danman Danman 5:23 pm 17 Jul 08

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