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Public AMOS talk on climate change by Greg Holland

By Edge 14 March 2012 33

Greg Holland and Cindy Bruyere from the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado, USA will be giving a public talk on Thursday 15th March 2012 at the CSIRO Discovery Centre at 5:30pm. Greg Holland has spent his career studying extreeme weather patterns and will be discussing:

  • the difficulties of differentiating climate change from variability
  • the question of when observable human-induced climate change commenced
  • the problems predicting extreeme weather events using climate models

CSIRO Discovery Centre – North Science road, off Clunies Ross st, Acton.

The talk is open to the public and people interested in this topic are encouraged to come along.

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Stevian 11:59 am 16 Mar 12

gazket said :

the climate change Nazis are in force here. they all probably sit in the audience of the Q&A as well.

Remember these statements bogans. It’s never going to rain again, all the dams will never fill up , the ground will be too dry to take any moisture.

you’re all a bunch of hypocrite fraudsters.

CSIRO are the biggest fraudsters in the country, they will say and do anything to get government grants from the Labour party and the Greens.

I’ll ignore the petty insults for the moment. Where has any repuatable climate scientist made the claim you say they made. The only people i have heard make such statements are denialists. If you lies, hypocrisy and fraud look in the mirror

HenryBG 11:20 am 16 Mar 12

welkin31 said :

I think it is relevant that we are aware of actual Chinese emissions – which around 2006 rocketed above those of the USA. This chart portrays the facts –
http://www.warwickhughes.com/blog/?p=1174
and the data came from the US Dept of Energy Dept CDIAC
http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/emis/prelim_2009_2010_estimates.html
who have been keeping statistics on global emissions for over 20 years.

Does the fact that India is awash in raw sewage inform our decisions here in Australia about how much we invest in our sewerage works?

The very fact you refer to a screaming nutter-blog (Warwick Hughes) demonstrates you’re well off with the fairies on this one.

The fact is that Australia has a total installed capacity of windpower of 1.8GW.
China has 30GW and aims to have 100GW by 2020.
China also has well over 200GW of hydropower.
China aims to have 20GW of solar by 2020. Australia currently has 1GW, and every time the government tries to implement policies to increase this, the loopy cranky do-nothings moan and complain.

China is the world’s largest producer of wind turbines, and the 2nd-largest producer of solar panels.
Australia ships lots of our dirt and rocks over there to give them the materials to do it.

Aren’t we the clever country?

welkin31 10:39 am 16 Mar 12

#20 nobody said – “Every country does their bit towards this global issue, and many are including China and India……”
then you included the URL;
http://www.usclimatenetwork.org/policy/copenhagen-accord-commitments

With respect nobody – that list of “commitments” out to 2020 is more of a wishlist where China is concerned. I mean diplomats can go to conferences and talk and sign off on this or that – but it is what the smokestacks back home are emitting that counts in the real world.
I think it is relevant that we are aware of actual Chinese emissions – which around 2006 rocketed above those of the USA. This chart portrays the facts –
http://www.warwickhughes.com/blog/?p=1174
and the data came from the US Dept of Energy Dept CDIAC
http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/emis/prelim_2009_2010_estimates.html
who have been keeping statistics on global emissions for over 20 years.

Diggety 10:22 am 16 Mar 12

@ davo101, thanks for the summary.

Thumper 8:33 am 16 Mar 12

I don’t really want to get into this discussion but…

and even the Maldives are reducing their emissions by 100%.

Really? 100%?

davo101 8:28 am 16 Mar 12

I went to the talk and found it quite interesting. The key bits that I noted were:

1. He argued that the classic temperature graph that people keep showing of global temperatures from 1880 is misleading as it include a great deal of natural variability in the early part. Instead he uses the difference between the model runs with and without the anthropogenic drivers. The new graph is flat right up until about 1970 and then just starts taking off.

2. The occurrence of category 4 and 5 cyclones around the world has doubled in the last 40 years, but at the same time the total number of cyclones has not changed.

3. In some ocean basins there are now more category 4 and 5 cyclones than there are category 1 and 2. It would appear that the supply of possible cyclones is fixed but they are now being driven harder than they used to.

4. We should forget the mean and look at the extremes. He argued that despite the large noise in the extremes the signal is much larger and that climate change should be more evident here (and of more interest to the general public).

Jethro said :

gazket said :

the climate change Nazis are in force here. they all probably sit in the audience of the Q&A as well.

Remember these statements bogans. It’s never going to rain again, all the dams will never fill up , the ground will be too dry to take any moisture.

you’re all a bunch of hypocrite fraudsters.

CSIRO are the biggest fraudsters in the country, they will say and do anything to get government grants from the Labour party and the Greens.

gazket said :

the climate change Nazis are in force here. they all probably sit in the audience of the Q&A as well.

Remember these statements bogans. It’s never going to rain again, all the dams will never fill up , the ground will be too dry to take any moisture.

you’re all a bunch of hypocrite fraudsters.

CSIRO are the biggest fraudsters in the country, they will say and do anything to get government grants from the Labour party and the Greens.

Yes. People who accept the overwhelming scientific consensus about climate change are exactly like Nazis.

Just this morning I went along my street and affixed blue and yellow stars to the lapels of all climate change deniers.

Also, I’m fairly sure the statements we apparently need to remember (‘it’s never going to rain again’) were never actually published in any scientific journals.

The scientists’ predictions were longer droughts punctuated by more severe floods.

But don’t let the truth get in the way of a good rant.

+1

HenryBG 8:15 am 16 Mar 12

gazket said :

Remember these statements bogans. It’s never going to rain again, all the dams will never fill up , the ground will be too dry to take any moisture.

Yes, I remember these – Alan Jones & Co. made them up, because nobody sensible ever said them, and nobody sensible could possibly believe that anybody sensible would ever have said them.

Here’s a nice graph which illustrates the difference between:
– how idiots like Alan Jones think
– how honest analysts think

Let us know which approach you prefer:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/graphics.php?g=47

Jethro 11:08 pm 15 Mar 12

gazket said :

the climate change Nazis are in force here. they all probably sit in the audience of the Q&A as well.

Remember these statements bogans. It’s never going to rain again, all the dams will never fill up , the ground will be too dry to take any moisture.

you’re all a bunch of hypocrite fraudsters.

CSIRO are the biggest fraudsters in the country, they will say and do anything to get government grants from the Labour party and the Greens.

gazket said :

the climate change Nazis are in force here. they all probably sit in the audience of the Q&A as well.

Remember these statements bogans. It’s never going to rain again, all the dams will never fill up , the ground will be too dry to take any moisture.

you’re all a bunch of hypocrite fraudsters.

CSIRO are the biggest fraudsters in the country, they will say and do anything to get government grants from the Labour party and the Greens.

Yes. People who accept the overwhelming scientific consensus about climate change are exactly like Nazis.

Just this morning I went along my street and affixed blue and yellow stars to the lapels of all climate change deniers.

Also, I’m fairly sure the statements we apparently need to remember (‘it’s never going to rain again’) were never actually published in any scientific journals.

The scientists’ predictions were longer droughts punctuated by more severe floods.

But don’t let the truth get in the way of a good rant.

gazket 10:45 pm 15 Mar 12

the climate change Nazis are in force here. they all probably sit in the audience of the Q&A as well.

Remember these statements bogans. It’s never going to rain again, all the dams will never fill up , the ground will be too dry to take any moisture.

you’re all a bunch of hypocrite fraudsters.

CSIRO are the biggest fraudsters in the country, they will say and do anything to get government grants from the Labour party and the Greens.

Deckard 8:00 pm 15 Mar 12

HenryBG said :

Mr Gillespie said :

Ridiculous or not, Australia can make no difference to carbon dioxide’s alleged role in climate change because no matter how you look at it, Australia’s contribution to the global “carbon footprint” is a mere ONE PERCENT. One percent reduced by 40% is still 0.4% which is still pointless. Even if Australia had ZERO “carbon emissions”, would only reduce the world’s CO? output by ONE PERCENT.

Similarly, I vote we cancel the garbage truck’s next Thursday morning run down Mr Gillespie’s street – after all, the garbage Mr Gillespie’s Street would have contributed is a mere 0.005PERCENT of the total garbage generated daily in Canberra – collecting it would reduce the amount of garbage in Canberra by 0.005% which would MAKE NO DIFFERENCE, so it’s POINTLESS.

Although, if we can get that same garbage man to tape Mr Gillespie’s mouth shut it will reduce 37.638% of the worlds methane emissions.

HenryBG 6:45 pm 15 Mar 12

dungfungus said :

Your hero General Zinni would have contributed more than his share of atmospheric pollution during his distinguished military career and he continues to condone this by acting as CEO of one of the world’s biggest defense companies (they make missiles and bombs, chemical weapons etc.)

Exactly – he’s a bloke that’s had to plan and conduct military operations in the real world, using intelligence in the real world and had to manage risks to his operations in the real world using this intelligence.

so how is he part of the Global UN Greenie Commie Nazi Climate Change Fruad?

dungfungus said :

He is not a “climate scientist” either so his opinion is no more valuable than your’s or mine.

I beg to differ. You don’t rise up to become head of Central Command by being a cranky loon. His opinion is plenty valuable.

Of course, “climate scientists” (scare quotes? Are you scared of them?) all share that opinion anyway.

dungfungus said :

Just because you are gullible about so called “climate science” this doesn’t give you the right to call me ignorant and an idiot either.

I’d say the bloke caught parroting the ignorant idiot Alan Jones’ opinion is pretty much putting his hand up to that charge.

Your catalog of objections to the idea of climate change is ample demonstration of intellectual incoherence and outright denial. You’ve been egged-on by an industry lobby that’s trying to limit its exposure to having to take responsibility to what is currently an externalised cost. I can understand why they act as they do, because it is a legal obligation that company directors take all necessary legal steps to maximise shareholder value.
I don’t really understand the useful idiots like you who parrot their PR for free, though.

HenryBG 6:36 pm 15 Mar 12

Mr Gillespie said :

Ridiculous or not, Australia can make no difference to carbon dioxide’s alleged role in climate change because no matter how you look at it, Australia’s contribution to the global “carbon footprint” is a mere ONE PERCENT. One percent reduced by 40% is still 0.4% which is still pointless. Even if Australia had ZERO “carbon emissions”, would only reduce the world’s CO? output by ONE PERCENT.

Similarly, I vote we cancel the garbage truck’s next Thursday morning run down Mr Gillespie’s street – after all, the garbage Mr Gillespie’s Street would have contributed is a mere 0.005PERCENT of the total garbage generated daily in Canberra – collecting it would reduce the amount of garbage in Canberra by 0.005% which would MAKE NO DIFFERENCE, so it’s POINTLESS.

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