Queanbeyan greenlights Tralee

johnboy said :

The issue isn’t the flight paths of today, it’s the flight paths Terry Snow would like to have in the future.

Well at least the airport is letting their future intentions be known, so it shouldn’t be a surprise in the future when they increase volume etc..

Wishuwell: I think if Sydney wants to use Canberra as a second airport, then the good burghers of Sydney need to cough up some serious dosh to grease the wheels of the various parties who would be affected. I hear the citizens of Jerra want a high school and a bank.

harvyk1: in terms of stupidity, the real stupidity is that lack of decent housing in Canberra. That’s an ACT and Federal govt issue. They could shut down the Tralee proposal overnight if they released some of the unused land around the city.

To me the facts are Brand Depot is just a cross dock warehouse with some shops in it while it suits. Anyone who thinks it will be a daylight hours operation have rocks in their heads.(anyone give an answer on why the airport needs to be allowed 30 movements an hour 24/7). If I wanted say fresh produce for my market store or restuarant in Sydney I’d get it landed in Canberra at say 3am put on a truck for a 6am delivery. My sleep won’t be disturbed and I won’t have to wait for the Sydney curfew to rise. And when planes land they tend to have a habit of taking off again.

harvyk1: Yes, and by the same token, noise sharing with the rest of Canberra should not be presented as “unfair” by Mr Snow viz: http://www.gcc.asn.au/oldgcc/documents/newsletter/GS83-CanberraInternationalAirport.pdf

I would like to propose to the various gov’t (ACT \ NSW \ Fed) that they bring in the anti stupidity rule – If you chose to live anywhere near an airport or flight path, you can not complain about the noice period. This includes when the noice becomes more because larger planes start using the airport more.

I’m getting really sick and tired of people saying “but it’s not fair” – damn straight, the airport has been here since 1930, it’s not fair that it’s progress is hampered because neighbours moved in and then complained.

Johnboy: Terry’s grand vision is not a bad one, but at the same time, I don’t know of many cities in Australia that have a single person controlling their airports (making a mint out of it too), and then trying to lean on a city council to try to tell it what it should or shouldn’t do. Curfews are in place at Kingsford Smith Airport. Terry’s boys can shift their goods onto the back of a truck during daylight hours.. or build another runway that goes East-West over the top of Forrest and Yarralumla. 🙂 (OR, how about another airport somewhere further down the highway – and then we could have more land to build more sprawling suburbs and *AHEM* manicured ovals on).

hax said :

Well they’re not going to move the airport, especially after all these upgrades.

Residents of Tralee should have no right to complain, if they buy a house under the flight path – they should live with it.

The issue isn’t the flight paths of today, it’s the flight paths Terry Snow would like to have in the future.

Because Canberra consumes more than it creates a lot of trucks go back to Sydney empty and they’d like to utilise that capacity by landing goods here. (The truckies would love it too)

hax – that’s one perspective. But unless the ACT govt intends to address the housing shortage and open up all that spare land around the city, then that’s exactly what will happen.

Well they’re not going to move the airport, especially after all these upgrades.

Residents of Tralee should have no right to complain, if they buy a house under the flight path – they should live with it.

I wonder where the best geographical location for a future (busy) Canberra aiport would be??

caf said :

Not to mention the fact that Tralee residents will be constituents of the highly contestable Eden-Monaro Federal electorate, rather than the safe electorates of Canberra or Fraser. And regulation of airports is a Federal responsibility…

Now you are talking

Jonathon Reynolds wrote:

Jonathon Reynolds said :

and in a similar vein QCC are only interested in the rates they will eventually collect.

The Jerra estates (and now Tralee) are just one of the direct results of the existence of state and territory borders and jurisdictions. Nothing more, nothing less. I am sure that there will be more such communities (of voting taxpayers) going up around the state/territory border for as long as the border continues to exist. If I were you, I’d get used to the idea – or start lobbying for a merger between QBN and Canberra and a removal of state borders (which, I think would solve an awful lot of problems besides this one). If you were to lobby for the latter, then you would not be alone either. There would be a lot of people who would support such a move.

Sydney airport has a 10pm curfew (so it’s not unreasonable for Canberra to keep one also).

Not to mention the fact that Tralee residents will be constituents of the highly contestable Eden-Monaro Federal electorate, rather than the safe electorates of Canberra or Fraser. And regulation of airports is a Federal responsibility…

deye said :

No doubt it will be though, so there should be a clause that says something along the lines of “you chose to build next to a flight path, you don’t get to complain about the noise”

I’ll guarantee that The Village Building Company and QCC will make damn sure that there is no such covenant on the blocks being sold.

Why would they want to even hint to individuals that buying houses adjacent to an approach and departure flight path will be a problem? Any admission of potential problems will greatly diminish the immediate monetary return for the VBC and in a similar vein QCC are only interested in the rates they will eventually collect.

Exactly deye, when did the common sense of people who buy properties near airports go out the window?

It’s like sitting next to a smoker, yeah you know they smoke and it sucks but if you choose to sit next to them then I’m sorry but you lost all right to complain.

The stupidity is astounding.

Jonathon Reynolds said :

In some respects the building of Tralee will in effect strengthen the need for a 11pm to 6am curfew for Canberra Airport as more residents will be adversely affected by aircraft noise. I can’t imagine the future residents of Tralee being any less vocal than those currently complaining in Jerrabomberra.

Which is why it shouldn’t be built.

No doubt it will be though, so there should be a clause that says something along the lines of “you chose to build next to a flight path, you don’t get to complain about the noise”

Like I’ve said before – build as many houses at Tralee as you like, but don’t whinge if a B747 wakes you at 3am as it arrives at Canberra Airport with another load of Euro or Asian porn for the shops in Fyshwick!

It is somewhat hypocritical and yet amusing that the Jerrabomberra residents have consistently been amongst the most vocal opponents of aircraft noise and yet they have still strongly encouraged the building of Tralee which will be approximately the same distance as Jerrabomberra on the other side of the runway centreline/approach flight path.

In some respects the building of Tralee will in effect strengthen the need for a 11pm to 6am curfew for Canberra Airport as more residents will be adversely affected by aircraft noise. I can’t imagine the future residents of Tralee being any less vocal than those currently complaining in Jerrabomberra.

Another station on the light rail corridor from Tuggers to Kingston!!! 🙂

It won’t stop Snow, but it will increase the range of opposition to his plan. He’s been pushing the line that if Tralee is there, it will mean that the 2am planes will have to come in over other areas. There’s soem truth in that: he won’t be able to have lines of planes coming in over Tralee through the early hours and there will have to be noise-sharing.

However, weather conditions and other factors mean that, even if Tralee wasn’t there, other areas would cop aeroplane noise through the night and early hours. To say that Tralee = noise for everyone else is disingenuous and actually very misleading.

Having everyone else fight his battles by saying Tralee will mean noise for them is clever but hopefully people are capable of understanding that a 24-hour airport means noise for everyone, at all hours of the day.