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Queanbeyan greenlights Tralee

By johnboy 13 November 2008 30

The ABC informs us that the controversial Tralee development has gained the approval of Queanbeyan Council.

The proposal is now off for sale to the highest bidder on Sussex Street before the NSW Government makes a decision.

If it goes ahead it might at some point impinge on Terry Snow’s plans to turn Canberra Airport into an international freight hub.


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hattown 5:47 pm 15 Nov 08

Tralee isn’t under flight path, that is a fact, the flight paths cant be changed with out rebuilding the runways. Canberra airport as a major international airport, what a joke, tourists want to go to Sydney not canberra as 1st port of call. What about the fog problem in winter canberra can’t operate when under fog, so it will never be a reliable airport. Canberra airport’s Terry Snow wants Googong to go ahead why ??? Its close/under flight path, Is he mates with the developer of Googong ??? YES he is…

hattown 5:40 pm 15 Nov 08

deye said :

Jonathon Reynolds said :

In some respects the building of Tralee will in effect strengthen the need for a 11pm to 6am curfew for Canberra Airport as more residents will be adversely affected by aircraft noise. I can’t imagine the future residents of Tralee being any less vocal than those currently complaining in Jerrabomberra.

Which is why it shouldn’t be built.

No doubt it will be though, so there should be a clause that says something along the lines of “you chose to build next to a flight path, you don’t get to complain about the noise”

ant 11:18 am 14 Nov 08

Good words, Radonezh. Yes, snow is trying to get Canberrans to fight his battle for him, he’s set the pack running by saying Tralee will cause everyone else to have aeroplane noise. This is a furphy! A 24 hour freight airport will have everyone having noise, Tralee or no Tralee. It’s a total red herring, it’s a trick. Whenever an aeroplane wakes up a suburb, he’ll say it’s because of Tralee.

It won’t just be ACT people copping the noise either, the whole region will suffer. And just to line the pockets of one rich man.

radonezh 10:59 am 14 Nov 08

The proposed development at Tralee is not under the current flightpath, but it is outside of the Noise Abatement Zone (just as much of Gungahlin is)

sepi 10:53 am 14 Nov 08

Building under a flightpath is a stupid idea.

But the lack of an airport curfew is a bigger problem for Canberra.

radonezh 10:47 am 14 Nov 08

p1 said :

It should be in the contract if you purchase a house there that you can not complain about the noise, no matter how bad it gets…

I don’t mind people venting such thoughts to get them off their chests, but realistically, you have no power at all to demand such unreasonable things.

I mean to say, much of Gungahlin is also not in the Noise Abatement Corridor either, yet Mr Snow is attempting to rouse the ire of the residents there to get them to oppose another development on the other end of town. Gungahlin WILL suffer more noise as a result of his plans, regardless of whether Tralee goes ahead or not. He is attempting to get Gungahlin to fight Jerra as a distraction to his plans.

The guy can see some really, really big dollars coming out of his future plans. Good on him, but the rights of the taxpaying voters should not be impinged on by big business (particularly since the land his business is on is not even under ACT jurisdiction and, as I understand it, he pays none of the usual local land taxes and is not subject to leasehold provisions as are the other businesses in Canberra).

Neither should the community bend over backwards to accommodate a plan that will not be injecting all that much money back into the Canberra/QBN economy at all. Most of the money will go to the freight forwarders, whose head offices are in Sydney and Melbourne (or overseas), as well as to Mr Snow himself.

Conversely, the people who will live in Tralee, will mostly be direct contributors to the local economy – they will work locally, buy their goods locally (both in Canberra and QBN), pay rates locally, and when they build their houses, the builders and labourers who build them will mostly be local too.

p1 9:22 am 14 Nov 08

I can’t imagine the future residents of Tralee being any less vocal than those currently complaining in Jerrabomberra.

It should be in the contract if you purchase a house there that you can not complain about the noise, no matter how bad it gets…

ant 11:18 pm 13 Nov 08

Wake up, people. Tralee won’t cause you all to have planes coming over at night: this WILL happen with or without Tralee. If we have a busy 24 hour airport, there will be air traffic over all parts of Canberra and the surrounding region 24 hours.

The air traffic has been steadily increasing over the past few years. I live ESE of the airport, and have observed a lot more planes coming in at all times of day, including coming over midnight, and in the after-midnights. But we ain’t seen nothing yet. If we don’t get a curfew in, things are going to get very unpleasant.

shiny flu 8:22 pm 13 Nov 08

Town Planning: 1% intelligent architects, 9% stubborn politicians and 90% stuck-up ignorant Vogon-esque bureaucrats/advisors.

Felix the Cat 7:23 pm 13 Nov 08

Mr Evil said :

don’t whinge if a B747 wakes you at 3am as it arrives at Canberra Airport with another load of Euro or Asian porn for the shops in Fyshwick!

3am you say…Euro porn…mmmmm 😉

hax 5:34 pm 13 Nov 08

johnboy said :

The issue isn’t the flight paths of today, it’s the flight paths Terry Snow would like to have in the future.

Well at least the airport is letting their future intentions be known, so it shouldn’t be a surprise in the future when they increase volume etc..

radonezh 4:19 pm 13 Nov 08

Wishuwell: I think if Sydney wants to use Canberra as a second airport, then the good burghers of Sydney need to cough up some serious dosh to grease the wheels of the various parties who would be affected. I hear the citizens of Jerra want a high school and a bank.

harvyk1: in terms of stupidity, the real stupidity is that lack of decent housing in Canberra. That’s an ACT and Federal govt issue. They could shut down the Tralee proposal overnight if they released some of the unused land around the city.

wishuwell 4:12 pm 13 Nov 08

To me the facts are Brand Depot is just a cross dock warehouse with some shops in it while it suits. Anyone who thinks it will be a daylight hours operation have rocks in their heads.(anyone give an answer on why the airport needs to be allowed 30 movements an hour 24/7). If I wanted say fresh produce for my market store or restuarant in Sydney I’d get it landed in Canberra at say 3am put on a truck for a 6am delivery. My sleep won’t be disturbed and I won’t have to wait for the Sydney curfew to rise. And when planes land they tend to have a habit of taking off again.

radonezh 4:06 pm 13 Nov 08

harvyk1: Yes, and by the same token, noise sharing with the rest of Canberra should not be presented as “unfair” by Mr Snow viz: http://www.gcc.asn.au/oldgcc/documents/newsletter/GS83-CanberraInternationalAirport.pdf

harvyk1 3:58 pm 13 Nov 08

I would like to propose to the various gov’t (ACT \ NSW \ Fed) that they bring in the anti stupidity rule – If you chose to live anywhere near an airport or flight path, you can not complain about the noice period. This includes when the noice becomes more because larger planes start using the airport more.

I’m getting really sick and tired of people saying “but it’s not fair” – damn straight, the airport has been here since 1930, it’s not fair that it’s progress is hampered because neighbours moved in and then complained.

radonezh 3:53 pm 13 Nov 08

Johnboy: Terry’s grand vision is not a bad one, but at the same time, I don’t know of many cities in Australia that have a single person controlling their airports (making a mint out of it too), and then trying to lean on a city council to try to tell it what it should or shouldn’t do. Curfews are in place at Kingsford Smith Airport. Terry’s boys can shift their goods onto the back of a truck during daylight hours.. or build another runway that goes East-West over the top of Forrest and Yarralumla. 🙂 (OR, how about another airport somewhere further down the highway – and then we could have more land to build more sprawling suburbs and *AHEM* manicured ovals on).

johnboy 3:37 pm 13 Nov 08

hax said :

Well they’re not going to move the airport, especially after all these upgrades.

Residents of Tralee should have no right to complain, if they buy a house under the flight path – they should live with it.

The issue isn’t the flight paths of today, it’s the flight paths Terry Snow would like to have in the future.

Because Canberra consumes more than it creates a lot of trucks go back to Sydney empty and they’d like to utilise that capacity by landing goods here. (The truckies would love it too)

radonezh 3:34 pm 13 Nov 08

hax – that’s one perspective. But unless the ACT govt intends to address the housing shortage and open up all that spare land around the city, then that’s exactly what will happen.

hax 3:31 pm 13 Nov 08

Well they’re not going to move the airport, especially after all these upgrades.

Residents of Tralee should have no right to complain, if they buy a house under the flight path – they should live with it.

radonezh 3:21 pm 13 Nov 08

I wonder where the best geographical location for a future (busy) Canberra aiport would be??

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