Rally for Refugees

billyboy said :

I’m not talking about culling, I’m talking reduction through birth control. Just one generation of humans who don’t breed. Skip one generation out totally and all will be well again. It really is that simple. I notice there’s a comment above that even bags that global warming is happening?????

Your post suggests otherwise. You talk about not letting these refugees into the country and then go on to advocate depopulation, you make no mention of birth control until now.

Seems like back-tracking to me. The good news is that the fire that has been set at the Reichstag has not taken hold and you can probably race over there and put it out.

billyboy said :

Skip one generation out totally and all will be well again. It really is that simple

This form of rapid depopulation is irreversible. If an entire generation does not breed, then there is no breeding stock for the next. The last generation (non breeding) would probably die young due to the lack of carers (replacement labour). Humans would be the most endangered species on the planet after all.

I’m not talking about culling, I’m talking reduction through birth control. Just one generation of humans who don’t breed. Skip one generation out totally and all will be well again. It really is that simple. I notice there’s a comment above that even bags that global warming is happening?????

#58.

Good idea.

Practice what you preach there billyboy.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

May I suggest you start with yourself?

*lol* @colorful sydney racing identity!

😉

billyboy said :

The only long term answer is a rapid de-population of all humans on the planet, in all countries, including us. Scientists yesterday stated that the world environment is heading for “a worst case scenario in the very near future”. Stick your head out the window and feel the temp – 37Deg – So please, get real on this issue. Australia is already supporting too big a population.

You may be right in that there are too many people on the planet, but I’d rather the human race die out before we start culling each other.

billyboy said :

The only long term answer is a rapid de-population of all humans on the planet, in all countries, including us.

And how does denying access to a boatload of Sri Lankan refugees achieve this?

billyboy said :

I’m moving in here so move over, by the way, can you direct me to the nearest dole office?”

Yeah, we all know that all refugees are lazy dole-bludgers who are just gonna sit around doing nothing but sucking up your tax dollars.

Just like previous waves of immigrants haven’t worked hard to achieve anything in this country: Chinese, Vietnamese, Greek, Italian, etc. They all have terrible work ethics and couldn’t be bothered to work hard to get ahead.

billyboy said :

The only long term answer is a rapid de-population of all humans on the planet.quote]

May I suggest you start with yourself?

I’m always amazed by how “idealistic” some people think. You can’t just get on a boat, rock up in a different country, wade ashore and say “Gday mate, I’m a political refugee escaping the vicious Kevin Rudd Government. I’m moving in here so move over, by the way, can you direct me to the nearest dole office?”

You’ll be rounded up and slapped in a gaol before you can say “but Kev sexually molested me too, no, I can’t prove it, look just take my word for it and make my dole payment out to “cash”.

The only long term answer is a rapid de-population of all humans on the planet, in all countries, including us. Scientists yesterday stated that the world environment is heading for “a worst case scenario in the very near future”. Stick your head out the window and feel the temp – 37Deg – So please, get real on this issue. Australia is already supporting too big a population.

Deckard said :

georgesgenitals said :

So… (and this is a serious question) what is the solution? Let the refugees who turn up on illegal boats stay? How do we handle the situation when 1000 boats a week turn up?

Who says 1000 boats a week are going to turn up? Jeez, our country isn’t that good.

How many have we had turn up in the last month? If it’s reached 1000 (people not boats) then it’s just a fart in the ocean. 1000 people turn up at Sydney airport in 20 minutes.

But there is an issue of the cost of processing and housing these people. I think it’s just something, if we want to be seen as a civilised and humane country, that we have to put up with.

I was thinking more along the line of actually collecting these people prior to them getting on the boat, and relocating them to parts of the country that have labour shortages, and having programs to integrate them into Australia. Tell the world that if they can get to Indonesia, we’ll bring them the rest of the way.

georgesgenitals said :

So… (and this is a serious question) what is the solution? Let the refugees who turn up on illegal boats stay? How do we handle the situation when 1000 boats a week turn up?

Who says 1000 boats a week are going to turn up? Jeez, our country isn’t that good.

How many have we had turn up in the last month? If it’s reached 1000 (people not boats) then it’s just a fart in the ocean. 1000 people turn up at Sydney airport in 20 minutes.

But there is an issue of the cost of processing and housing these people. I think it’s just something, if we want to be seen as a civilised and humane country, that we have to put up with.

So… (and this is a serious question) what is the solution? Let the refugees who turn up on illegal boats stay? How do we handle the situation when 1000 boats a week turn up?

sloppery said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Have these refugees been sexually abused? That’s terrible.

Many orphans aged between 13 and 17 years have been placed unsupervised into adult prisons in Indonesia. I’ll leave it to your imagination.

It seems that we are more sorry for the abuse of some orphans than others.

sloppery said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

sloppery said :

Is there a Sri Lankan embassy? Let’s just drop them off there.

Ah, that is sensible. I like the way you think. Perhaps if a child runs away from home alleging sexual abuse by her parents we should make sure she is dropped back home, post haste.

Have these refugees been sexually abused? That’s terrible.

I did not suggest that these refugees had been sexual abused. I know you are just trolling, as usual but, if anyone is interested in the plight of Tamils in detention in Sri Lanka, I would suggest they have a look at the report ‘The sexual abuse of men in detention in Sri Lanka’ which can be found in The Lancet, Volume 355, Issue 9220.

sloppery said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

sloppery said :

Is there a Sri Lankan embassy? Let’s just drop them off there.

Ah, that is sensible. I like the way you think. Perhaps if a child runs away from home alleging sexual abuse by her parents we should make sure she is dropped back home, post haste.

Have these refugees been sexually abused? That’s terrible.

No, but many Sri Lankans are in danger of being tortured and/or ‘disappeared’ (Sri Lanka’s government being the “world’s worst perpetrators of enforced disappearances”, according to a study by US-based group ‘Human Rights Watch’ (HRW)).

I dunno whether you’d consider this to be worse than sexual abuse. Regardless, the metaphor is entirely appropriate.

billyboy said :

“HUMANS ARE NOT AN ENDANGERED SPECIES” you know.

As an environmentalist (and not a philanthropist) all of us must realize (sooner or later lets hope) that the world as we know it is in a state of rapid decay brought about by overpopulation by one of the most terrifying, destructive, thoughtless and careless species this planet has ever had the misfortune of hosting – sadly I’m one of the that species, and if you’re reading this so are you.

We shouldn’t be using GMOs to support this growing species with food, or provide housing, or cars, or mobile phones, we should in fact be looking at cutting the human population back to 1 billion, and we could easily do this by the end of one and a half generations. If we don’t tackle this problem head on, then all will be lost.

All these refugees are a problem caused by over population, to put it in simple terms for the naive “humanitarians” out there who are driving the destruction of the only place in the universe we can survive, how about thinking a little bit broader than you do now, ok?

If wanting to save our planet from destruction makes me a xenophobe, well then maybe the term xenophobe needs broadening.

Adolf? Is that you?

colourful sydney racing identity said :

sloppery said :

Is there a Sri Lankan embassy? Let’s just drop them off there.

Ah, that is sensible. I like the way you think. Perhaps if a child runs away from home alleging sexual abuse by her parents we should make sure she is dropped back home, post haste.

Have these refugees been sexually abused? That’s terrible.

billyboy said :

“HUMANS ARE NOT AN ENDANGERED SPECIES” you know.

As an environmentalist (and not a philanthropist) all of us must realize (sooner or later lets hope) that the world as we know it is in a state of rapid decay brought about by overpopulation by one of the most terrifying, destructive, thoughtless and careless species this planet has ever had the misfortune of hosting – sadly I’m one of the that species, and if you’re reading this so are you.

We shouldn’t be using GMOs to support this growing species with food, or provide housing, or cars, or mobile phones, we should in fact be looking at cutting the human population back to 1 billion, and we could easily do this by the end of one and a half generations. If we don’t tackle this problem head on, then all will be lost.

All these refugees are a problem caused by over population, to put it in simple terms for the naive “humanitarians” out there who are driving the destruction of the only place in the universe we can survive, how about thinking a little bit broader than you do now, ok?

If wanting to save our planet from destruction makes me a xenophobe, well then maybe the term xenophobe needs broadening.

So we let the poor foreign people die while we kick back and live it up.

Nice plan.

billyboy said :

“HUMANS ARE NOT AN ENDANGERED SPECIES” you know.

As an environmentalist (and not a philanthropist) all of us must realize (sooner or later lets hope) that the world as we know it is in a state of rapid decay brought about by overpopulation by one of the most terrifying, destructive, thoughtless and careless species this planet has ever had the misfortune of hosting – sadly I’m one of the that species, and if you’re reading this so are you.

We shouldn’t be using GMOs to support this growing species with food, or provide housing, or cars, or mobile phones, we should in fact be looking at cutting the human population back to 1 billion, and we could easily do this by the end of one and a half generations. If we don’t tackle this problem head on, then all will be lost.

All these refugees are a problem caused by over population, to put it in simple terms for the naive “humanitarians” out there who are driving the destruction of the only place in the universe we can survive, how about thinking a little bit broader than you do now, ok?

If wanting to save our planet from destruction makes me a xenophobe, well then maybe the term xenophobe needs broadening.

You are travelling in a very, very scary direction Billyboy…dog whistling population control of particular people…very, very scary

“HUMANS ARE NOT AN ENDANGERED SPECIES” you know.

As an environmentalist (and not a philanthropist) all of us must realize (sooner or later lets hope) that the world as we know it is in a state of rapid decay brought about by overpopulation by one of the most terrifying, destructive, thoughtless and careless species this planet has ever had the misfortune of hosting – sadly I’m one of the that species, and if you’re reading this so are you.

We shouldn’t be using GMOs to support this growing species with food, or provide housing, or cars, or mobile phones, we should in fact be looking at cutting the human population back to 1 billion, and we could easily do this by the end of one and a half generations. If we don’t tackle this problem head on, then all will be lost.

All these refugees are a problem caused by over population, to put it in simple terms for the naive “humanitarians” out there who are driving the destruction of the only place in the universe we can survive, how about thinking a little bit broader than you do now, ok?

If wanting to save our planet from destruction makes me a xenophobe, well then maybe the term xenophobe needs broadening.

Hells_Bells74 said :

You see Aussies feel pretty safe on the whole.. Feel their country would or could never persecute/starve the people or have a war, internal or otherwise. Well derr, shit happens!

Wake up.. if it was you escaping the horrors of genocide/war, here’s to hoping your karma doesn’t notice also when you’re at the crossroads of life for those who shun the very thought now.

+1

“I’m alright, so screw those untrustworthy foreigners” never struck me as a particularly compelling foundation for debate about refugee intake.

sloppery said :

Is there a Sri Lankan embassy? Let’s just drop them off there.

Ah, that is sensible. I like the way you think. Perhaps if a child runs away from home alleging sexual abuse by her parents we should make sure she is dropped back home, post haste.

You see Aussies feel pretty safe on the whole.. Feel their country would or could never persecute/starve the people or have a war, internal or otherwise. Well derr, shit happens!

Wake up.. if it was you escaping the horrors of genocide/war, here’s to hoping your karma doesn’t notice also when you’re at the crossroads of life for those who shun the very thought now.

Is there a Sri Lankan embassy? Let’s just drop them off there.

billyboy said :

I think they should have to go home and fix the mess they made in their own country rather than run away from it and create another mess here. “HUMANS ARE NOT AN ENDANGERED SPECIES” you know.

this is a very naive (i hope not xenophobic and bigoted) comment – the persecuted are hardly the likely suspects to foment political change; perhaps others might foment radical transformation of their government on their behalf, but the ones at risk of persecution do well to flee such troubles, not ‘fix the mess’ – oh, and i don’t think these refugees ‘made’ it.

“I think they should have to go home and fix the mess they made in their own country rather than run away from it and create another mess here.”

I really don’t understand this concept. It is not like they are wanting to move from O’Connor to Bondi because they want a sea view.

People leave countries like Afghanistan, Iraq and Sri Lanka because of war, persecution, famine etc etc.

““HUMANS ARE NOT AN ENDANGERED SPECIES””

What a bizarre comment.

How can we house them when we can’t even house our own people?

I think they should have to go home and fix the mess they made in their own country rather than run away from it and create another mess here. “HUMANS ARE NOT AN ENDANGERED SPECIES” you know.

pb, having money does not detract from being a refugee – i wish this argument would go away and die somewhere quietly. in fact, many persecuted in the world have been more persecuted than some of their community peers because they were/are seen to be wealthy…

as jim jones points out, there is no queue and, if we think about it, what sort of types do we want coming to australia? go-getters, self-starters, motivated folk with some gumption and verve and some ingenuity and resolve to push through motivation and plans by some means? well, these ‘queue-jumping boat scoundrels’ are your folks, folks.

and +2 to coach… 8)

If these people are really refugees how can they afford the cars and pit crews to go rallying?

sloppery said :

Coach said :

uniqueusername said :

I urge detractors to read this article.

I for one could not read that article without being moved. The reality of this debate is that most people form their opinions in a vaccum, and defend a particular position that has so many alternative views, that it really is indefencible.

Alternative views are great, help the debate, and help people get a clearer perspective. But when we adopt a “I’m right and everyone else is an idiot” stance, conflict reigns supreme.

Respect for a different point of view would help enourmously, and a recognition that those in decision making position are between a rock and a hard place, where every decision could be argued as correct, or totally wrong.

Lets not suppress the debate, but lets bring respect, tolerance, and curiosity to understand others views into our reality.

Perhaps you could re-post this very good comment into the thread about gay marriage.

+1

I worked on multicultural and refugee issues for years. I was also a member of the Indochinese Refugee Association. I sponsored and looked after two Laotian families who I helped bring to Canberra. Both families were in UN Refugee camps for years. Despite Granny’s assertion about there being no queue, both these families would have had to wait a lot longer as a result of people like these Tamils jumping in first after paying people smugglers. My Laotian families would not have been able to afford to pay people smugglers.

Having helped them in to Australia I assisted in getting them jobs and accommodation which meant they were not a drain on Social Security. They worked in the hospital system which badly needs people like them.

I feel this last lot are holding Australia to ransom, have more or less hijacked a customs boat which should be doing its normal duties, and are not that different from Somali pirates.

Like the wishy-washy response to the pirates, which simply resulted in more piracy, giving into the demands of the Tamils will simply increase the flow of those using people smugglers. Saying just let these ones in shows absolutely no thought as to what this could lead to.

I wish the bleeding hearts in this forum, who probably have actually done nothing practical in relation to assisting refugees apart from typing on a computer, would get real.

Incidentally, I am a born and bred Aussie and was not trying to assist family into the country when sponsoring refugee families.

Coach said :

uniqueusername said :

I urge detractors to read this article.

I for one could not read that article without being moved. The reality of this debate is that most people form their opinions in a vaccum, and defend a particular position that has so many alternative views, that it really is indefencible.

Alternative views are great, help the debate, and help people get a clearer perspective. But when we adopt a “I’m right and everyone else is an idiot” stance, conflict reigns supreme.

Respect for a different point of view would help enourmously, and a recognition that those in decision making position are between a rock and a hard place, where every decision could be argued as correct, or totally wrong.

Lets not suppress the debate, but lets bring respect, tolerance, and curiosity to understand others views into our reality.

Perhaps you could re-post this very good comment into the thread about gay marriage.

uniqueusername said :

I urge detractors to read this article.

I for one could not read that article without being moved. The reality of this debate is that most people form their opinions in a vaccum, and defend a particular position that has so many alternative views, that it really is indefencible.

Alternative views are great, help the debate, and help people get a clearer perspective. But when we adopt a “I’m right and everyone else is an idiot” stance, conflict reigns supreme.

Respect for a different point of view would help enourmously, and a recognition that those in decision making position are between a rock and a hard place, where every decision could be argued as correct, or totally wrong.

Lets not suppress the debate, but lets bring respect, tolerance, and curiosity to understand others views into our reality.

Pandy Said

“Why do they want to be refugees in Australia? Because we have a soft Government. No-one wants these people, not NZ, not India. Lets face it Tamils casued a lot of problems in Sri Lanka and I am sure they will bring their tribal shite fights to our shores too if we are not careful.”

“I say”, The Tamils sided with the British rulers of Ceylon for a 150yrs and lived a privileged life. While exploiting the the Sri lankains.
What goes round comes round.

Want to put more stress on the Australian environment. Just let everyone move here!!

The Greens have a conflict of interest that they need to sort out before being a serious alternative, environmentally centred government.

Maybe the Greens should change there name too…….?

Granny said :

Refugees are not illegal immigrants. This is not rocket science.

Equally, not all unlawful arrivals (all them what you will) are bona fide refugees.

georgesgenitals said :

Less than 5% of the people who turn up in this way pass the UN for political refugees.

I make this comment based on professional experience.

87.5% of statistics are made up on the spot.

I make this comment based on professional experience.

Post #23 – here’s the facts regarding the asylum seekers who were placed on Manus Is and Nauru with 70% ultimately deemed to be genuine refugees:

“A total of 1637 people were detained in the Nauru and Manus facilities, of whom 1153 (or 70 per cent) were ultimately resettled from the OPCs to Australia or other countries. Of those who were resettled, around 61 per cent (705 people) were resettled in Australia”.

Thanks to Senator Chris Evans
Minister for Immigration and Citizenship
Media Release dated Friday, 8 February 2008

^ awesome links. Thankyou.

My point still stands, once they pass the test, let them in. More than happy for them to come to safety once given refugee status.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/90-of-asylum-seekers-win-refugee-status-20090422-af2d.html

this article says 90% of boat people are accepted as refugees.

I urge detractors to read this article.

Granny said :

Refugees are not illegal immigrants. This is not rocket science.

Really? Do you just assume people asking for money on the street are actually homeless ‘coz they say they are? You’d be out of pocket a fair amount right?

georgesgenitals said :

Less than 5% of the people who turn up in this way pass the UN for political refugees. Send them on their way, and stop wasting Australian dollars on them.

So we’ve got some people saying “less that 5% pass” others saying “the vast majority pass” – any stats to back it up? Would probably be an interesting read (I’m a bit too lazy this morning).

Once they pass the test, let them in. Just because their boat sank and they’re being ungrateful sods by not leaving doesn’t mean they should bypass the system.

They’ve already tried to do it illegally once, why are we supposed to bend the rules for them after they tried to break them?

Funnily, the vast majority of refos entering Australia (approx 90%) simply fly in! Why does the mode of transport (boat) seem to worry some people so much? What have Australians got against boats? I love my boat.

I think the average Australian is just a bit too average, particularly in IQ anyway. Let the poor buggers come straight in on a time limit basis, so basically they can escape what ever it is that’s threatening them for say 5 years max, then they have to go. Or as John Howard once said “See ya – wouldn’t want to be ya!”

If I could keep everyone I viewed as ‘undesireable’ out of the country and if I could remove everyone I viewed as ‘undesireable’ from the country, I would be really, really, really lonely.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Ralph said :

Send these undesirables back to Sri Lanka.

Any particular reason you state that they are undesireable? First hand knowledge or just the standard Ralph prejudice?

Anyone with the guts and determination to try to escape a country whose government is labelled as being the “world’s worst perpetrators of enforced disappearances” is clearly undesirable.

Ralph only wants mindless, easily-led sheeple in this country.

Ralph said :

Send these undesirables back to Sri Lanka.

Any particular reason you state that they are undesireable? First hand knowledge or just the standard Ralph prejudice?

I-filed said :

How are the people languishing in refugee camps in Indonesia feeling right now I wonder – being pushed off the queue by the 12-week guarantee afforded to the 78? Complete and utter routing of Rudd by these people. “Tough stance”? What could be more encouraging for asylum seekers and illegal migrants who fancy trying their chances on a boat? And – mwa ha ha – Rudd doesn’t even get to swear at them! : )

What queue?

Dude, seriously. There is no queue.

$42k a day is nothing compared to Howard’s “Pacific (Final) Solution”…. Australia has an obligation because we were closer and able to respond. What were the options – leave them to sink? Are you prepared to have blood on your hands by making that decision?

The reality is that the vast majority of boat people ARE deemed to be genuine refugees under both UNHCR and Australian criteria. The problem needs to be resolved in Sri Lanka, enable human rights there and you wouldn’t get people risking their lives to leave their homes and families. In the mean time, we have the capacity to take 100’s – yes, even 1000’s of people who genuinely need help. Australia welcomes many thousands of economic migrants every year – they’re the ones with the money. If these Sri Lankans were really cashed up they wouldn’t have to take this kind of risky journey, there are much easier ways to get to Australia for some people.

Yeah, those dirty foreigners coming here, taking our jobs, stealing our women, breathing our air.

They should stay in foreignland, in those lovely holiday camps the kind foreign governments have set up for them, where they get treated to fun free activity’s such as rape, persecution, brutal assaults and genocide.

Freeloading queue jumping terrorists, the lot of them, especially the children, can’t trust them…. they eat weird food too and smell funny.

Send em back, the Sri Lankan government are a lovely sweet hearted bunch of people and they promised they would buy them all cakes and soda pop if they came home.

Why do they want to be refugees in Australia? Because we have a soft Government. No-one wants these people, not NZ, not India. Lets face it Tamils casued a lot of problems in Sri Lanka and I am sure they will bring their tribal shite fights to our shores too if we are not careful.

How are the people languishing in refugee camps in Indonesia feeling right now I wonder – being pushed off the queue by the 12-week guarantee afforded to the 78? Complete and utter routing of Rudd by these people. “Tough stance”? What could be more encouraging for asylum seekers and illegal migrants who fancy trying their chances on a boat? And – mwa ha ha – Rudd doesn’t even get to swear at them! : )

considering they were rescued in indonesian waters calling them australias problem is a bit rich, although they are our problem now because they won’t get off the bloody boat

I feel sorry for the refugees in the camps around the world who would like to come to Australia and did the right thing stopping in the closest country and claiming refugee status, living in the UN camps, waiting to see if australia will take them but finding out that we have met our humanitarian immigration quota for the year and they miss out due to these queue jumpers.

better luck next year guys

Deckard said :

Enough is enough already. How long is the PM going to keep them there and how much money is he going to spend just to save a bit of face?

1000 boat people arriving illegally on boats is small stuff compared to the 10s of 1000s that overstay their tourist visas or work here illegally.

+1

Over 90% of people who turn up in this way pass australia’s test for refugee status. Surely we’re not that much more generous than the UN?

Let them in. Sri Lanka is a mess right now. Kids are dying in those camps.

The UN test, that is…

These boat people, typically, are sufficiently cashed up to:
a) pay in cash the people smugglers to bring them to Australia; and
b) pay for food and housing (and in some cases entertainment as well) for sometimes several months in Malaysia or Indonesia while waiting for their spot.

Less than 5% of the people who turn up in this way pass the UN for political refugees. Send them on their way, and stop wasting Australian dollars on them.

I make this comment based on professional experience.

Enough is enough already. How long is the PM going to keep them there and how much money is he going to spend just to save a bit of face?

1000 boat people arriving illegally on boats is small stuff compared to the 10s of 1000s that overstay their tourist visas or work here illegally.

Refugees are not illegal immigrants. This is not rocket science.

Wait…

Did you just say these people are our obligation? They’re not. We saved their lives when their boat sank, the fact they’re on our boat doesn’t make them our obligation.

Why are there so many “basic human rights” screams when these people are detained for trying to enter our country in an illegal way? If they want to migrate to Australia they can do it legally. I’m all for basic human rights, but if that’s what they want, they don’t have to come specifically here. According to them, anywhere is better than where they came from.

If they were seriously just trying to leave their own country in fear of persecution they would be happy to stay anywhere. If they don’t want to take another alternative, send them back.

It’s time we met our obligations?

You need a geography lesson champion

Send these undesirables back to Sri Lanka.

Greens jumping on the Bandwagon – how unusual. Send the lot back to Sri Lanka.

Good on you, Amanda Bresnan, and good on you unions! Glad to see people standing up and speaking out!