Reasons why the ACT is better than NSW – The Australian Federal Police

johnboy 22 August 2008 42

In our ongoing series of things which are better in Canberra I present the Australian Federal Police.

Do you think in NSW community forums are flooded by concerned police eager to point out to everyone exactly why they’re wrong? Taking such care to set everyone straight so that they may sin no more? I don’t think so.

Plus our police let a koala bear drive.

On the other hand, our police fail to provide the amusing drunken antics of the Goulburn Police academy.

But all things considered I’m chalking up yet another win for the ACT.

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42 Responses to Reasons why the ACT is better than NSW – The Australian Federal Police
Party Party 12:56 pm 29 Sep 19

NSW Queanbeyan police have something called the STMP watch list. Seems it is very controversial. Do you know anything about it?

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy 8:26 am 24 Aug 08

Nice post Special G – brought a giggle here…

Granny Granny 12:20 am 24 Aug 08

WMC versus The Police … hope it doesn’t end too badly!

vg vg 10:30 pm 23 Aug 08

WMC there’s nothing more embarrassing than finding out later on that everyone knew the p1ss was being taken, well everyone except you.

Thanks for the giggle, I await your acerbic reply.

Is it illegal to ‘avoid’ an RBT……

You cannot book someone for ‘pursuit’, so I think that part of the story is either suffering from poor recall or a stretching of the story to make it a better one. There is no offence of ‘pursuit’, every recruit knows that

Granny Granny 9:46 pm 23 Aug 08


Now that’s what I call a job description!

; )

Special G Special G 8:32 pm 23 Aug 08

Nice work on putting that one in Headbonius. Saw it doing the email rounds a while ago along with this one.

Hello, you have reached the Australian Federal Police Voice Mail.

Pay close attention as we have to update the choices often as new and unusual circumstances arrive. Please select one of the following options:

– To whine about us not doing anything to solve a problem you created for yourself, press 1.

– To postulate whether someone has to die before we’ll do something about a problem, press 2.

– To report an officer for bad manners when in reality the officer is trying to keep your neighborhood safe, press 3.

– If you would like us to raise your children, press 4.

– If you would like us to take control of your life due to your alcoholic or chemical dependency, press 5.

– If you would like us to instantly restore order to a situation that took years to deteriorate, press 6.

– To provide a list of police officers you personally know so we will not take enforcement action against you, press 7.

– To sue us, tell us you’ll have our badge, that you pay our salary, or proclaim our career is over, press 8.

– To hear this menu again, wrap aluminum foil around your head and turn around three times.


Headbonius Headbonius 5:12 pm 23 Aug 08

WMC, thankyou. I take all of the above from someone with as a distinct lack of a sense of humour as you as praise. Following on from reading your post I will have to re-write my thesis on “Why Police Harrass people” to include a new category specifically devoted to you. I will get back to you when I have thought of a name for the new category.

Once again, thanks for the laugh.

Woody Mann-Caruso Woody Mann-Caruso 4:04 pm 23 Aug 08

WMC, I might not have spelt it out in enough detail for you and it would appear that you and CMDwedge are making a very serious complaint of Police harrassment. Nobody likes harrassment do they? It is really tiresome but this might help to explain why Police sometimes harrass you and your friends me, you’re slow. I’ve never been pulled over by the police in my life – not even for an RBT. I’ve been in Canberra for 12 years and can count the number of times I’ve even seen an RBT on one hand. I just asked a question: is it illegal to avoid an RBT, and if so, what constitutes avoidance? It was an honest question – you know, the kind you ask when you don’t know and what to find out. I asked an additional question – if it’s not illegal, why was the copper in the example above talking about booking somebody for ‘pursuit’?

But then you go all three-post nutbag over it. And thanks for the home truths – that some police think harassment is OK, and that giving as good as you get doesn’t make you the slightest bit unprofessional. The ‘attitude test’ is just another way of saying that you’re a law unto yourself, administering justice according to facts that have nothing to do with crime using discretion you don’t legally have.

I don’t have a problem with the Police with a capital P – probably because the only time I’ve ever had to speak to them outside a work setting was reporting the two times somebody drove into my car. Clearly, though, some people have had negative experiences with police with a small p. Being a professional also has an attitude test. You failed it, small p.

vg vg 12:29 am 23 Aug 08

‘I know that it’s difficult to express in a post on RA, but I’ve run into 95% good, decent police, but 5% are power trippers and complete wankers. This guy was DYING to nail me for something, but I was clean, sober, the car was registered and completely roadworthy; I explained apologetically that I had made a mistake in believing that it was not an RBT but an accident, but he was a complete knob about it.’

In order for the above to be anywhere near valid you would have had to have encountered 100 police in your lifetime, which could possibly indicate issues on your part.

If he was ‘dying’ to nail you for something he would have. Any vehicle inspector will tell you they can find a defect on a vehicle as soon as it rolls out of the factory. He was a complete knob because he asked you a question and made a statement? My goodness you must encounter a lot of knobs on a daily basis.

I have always taken the approach of metering my conversation to the responses I get back. I will always be nice when I can, but if you care to give someone a gobful, don’t cry victim if/when you get one back. Courtesy goes both ways and shouldn’t be expected in the face of vitriol and abuse

ant ant 12:13 am 23 Aug 08

Bugger polite and courteous. Let’s just have civil. There’s something to aspire to.

Mælinar - *spoiler alert* I've seen S04E13 Mælinar - *spoiler alert* I've seen S04E13 11:41 pm 22 Aug 08

AFP have numbers. If you have a genuine complaint, you have an expectation that your complaint will be actioned reasonably.

The AFP are also rostered on conditions that are designed to allow for them to perform at the desired performance level when they are on duty. Some of the desired performance levels also include how polite and courteous an officer is expected to act while performing their duties.

If an officer has been discourteous, or needlessly rude, it can be a marker-sign of bigger issues that the AFP and the individual needs to recognise and act upon. You are not doing any harm in notifying the AFP via an independent process that an officer has acted discourteously, or was needlessly rude in the conduct of their duties.

blaringmike blaringmike 11:11 pm 22 Aug 08

All my experiences with the AFP have been great. Much better than the policing levels across the border!

bd84 bd84 11:05 pm 22 Aug 08

cmdwedge said :

It was coming up Mirabei (sp?) Drive from the Len Waters St end, and it’s the final roundabout before the bridge. There’s a fair bit of foliage in the middle of the roundabout, so all I could see were the flashing lights + couple of cars on the side of the road.

I know that it’s difficult to express in a post on RA, but I’ve run into 95% good, decent police, but 5% are power trippers and complete wankers. This guy was DYING to nail me for something, but I was clean, sober, the car was registered and completely roadworthy; I explained apologetically that I had made a mistake in believing that it was not an RBT but an accident, but he was a complete knob about it.

No skin off my nose, I simply started the car and was on my merry way.

I believe that the police are providing a service, and have a responsibility to be polite and professional. As long as I’m polite and clear in response to his questions, I should be treated the same way.

5% wankers is a pretty good percentage within the police then, you’re probably more likely to find a wanker in the general population…

I don’t remember the police being employed to being nice warm and fuzzy to everyone either, and I don’t think there’s a rule anywhere that requires them to say please and thankyou.

Doing a u-turn after seeing the police ahead would be considered suspicious by most people’s standards as most people would continue on past the accident, unless there was an obvious road closure… The police car was obviously there to pick up the people doing exactly what you did to avoid the RBT, even though you didn’t do it for that reason. Anyway I bet the number one excuse for someone doing a u-turn like that would be something similar to what you used, and any smart officer wouldn’t say “oh ok, off you go then”.

The police do their jobs on the most part fairly well, and it’s funny how if you’re not doing anything wrong or suspicious you never have any problems!

ant ant 10:26 pm 22 Aug 08

Vic Bitterman said :

ant said :

The two I particularly remember on that group used the pen-names Shane, and Spooky.

I loved reading his stories, and watching the pursuit videos he’d occasionally share. Pity he got told by the brass to stop posting…. he did so much to bridge the gap between motorists perceptions of crinklybacks…

Vic Bitterman, yeah, I think Spooky left the force along the way… I think he was a bit older. Shane was evidently quite youthful, and it was rather fun prodding him and watching him go off. Very loquacious when excited, was Shane. He was telling some story one day, and came out with something about police in the squadroom not being allowed to use anything dangerous or sharper than a tennis ball that had me laughing for days. He was good value, and it’s a shame they leaned on him.

Headbonius Headbonius 10:24 pm 22 Aug 08

WMC, I might not have spelt it out in enough detail for you and it would appear that you and CMDwedge are making a very serious complaint of Police harrassment. Nobody likes harrassment do they? It is really tiresome but this might help to explain why Police sometimes harrass you and your friends:

The question from WoodyManCaruso was: “If it’s not illegal, why is a police car deciding to drive after you and pull you over a ticketable offence?”

This sounds like a definite complaint of police harrassment to me WMC so let me answer the question for you in really simple terms.

In the ACT we have about 800 coppers for about 300,000 people. About 60% of those cops are on duty at any one time. This “On duty” time is where we do most of the harassing. One-fifth of that 60% are on duty at any moment and available for harassing people. So, one on duty cop is responsible to harass a hell of a lot of people. When you toss in the commercial, business, and tourist locations in the ACT that attract people from other areas, sometimes you have a situation where a single cop is responsible to try to harass 20,000+ people a day.

A ten hour shift runs 36,000 seconds. This gives a cop only one second to harass a person, and three-fourths of a second to eat a donut (Yes Ant – we do eat donuts) AND find a new person to harass. This is not an easy task. Most cops are not up to it day in and day out. It is just too tiring.

Since you now understand why we cannot harass everyone let me explain briefly what we do to utilize some special “tools” to help us narrow down who we harass, so we can focus our limited “harassing resources” to those most worthy individuals. They are as follows:

The Phone:
People will call us up and point out things that cause us to focus
on another person for special (concentrated) harassment. “My ex-husband just beat me and my boyfriend up and he is barricaded in the bedroom with our baby and a gun, or “My neighbor is beating up his wife and she is screaming for help” are a couple code phrases that are frequently employed. Then we come out and give special harassment to the wife beater. Another popular one on weekends is “My neighbors are out of town and their kids are having a loud party.”

We have special cops assigned to harass people who drive; They usually ride motorcycles so they can get around fast or cut through traffic to harass as many people as possible in their given shift. They like to harass the drivers of fast cars, people “avoiding” RBT stations, cars blasting music, cars with expired registration labels, and the like. It is lots of fun when we pick them out of traffic for nothing more obvious then running a red light, going through stop signs, or driving 20+ Kph over the posted limit in a school zone. Sometimes we get to really heap the harassment on when we find they have drugs in their car, are driving drunk, are unlicensed or have an arrest warrant!

Some people take off running at the mere sight of a uniformed police officer or a Detective. Nothing is quite as satisfying as running after them like a trained
beagle on the scent of a bunny. When we catch them, believe it or not, there is always some good reason to harass them for hours!

When we can think of nothing else to do, there are books that give us
ideas for reasons to harass folks. They are called Laws,Criminal, Vehicle, Drugs, Health and Safety, Business and Professions… They each spell out all sorts of silly things for which we can really mess with people. After we study these law books, we can just drive around for a while until we find someone violating one of the listed offences and heap on the harassment! Just last week I saw a guy deal methamphetamine right in front of me. Well, believe it or not, one of the law books says that is not allowed. That meant I automatically got to harass this guy…of course he didn’t like it, because just when I got done harassing him, the Police Watchhouse harassed him and that will likely continue until the judge harasses him (unless it is CJ Higgins), then he will probably be harassed by aCorrective Services officer for the next couple of years. It is a pretty cool system that we have set up, and it works very well most of the time. We seem to have a never ending supply of citizens to harass, and we “get away with it” because the good citizens of the ACT pay the tab for us to keep the streets safe for them.

Next time you see a Police officer manning an RBT Station, give them a “single finger wave” as payback for the extraordinary harrassment that you received recently. That is a secret signal that you wish them to take a closer look at you, and maybe find a reason to harass you.

I hope that this makes it all clearer for you.

ant ant 10:21 pm 22 Aug 08

vg said

vg said :

Sorry…..but that’s the entire story?

Goodness me, big stuff

I agree, that’s hardly news! A Canberra policeperson being surly, whoopee do. I saw a blade of grass today…

Aeek Aeek 10:11 pm 22 Aug 08

I remember ACT Policing having a bad run in the courts, cases tossed out because they lost the evidence or hadn’t bothered to gather it. No idea how NSW compares.

There was the van abandoned by parliament house, after A WEEK, call out the bomb squad and close off the road. True, this may have been the Federal Feds who are doing their best to damage the AFP’s credibility with the Haneef fiasco.

As for RBTs, setting up in the bike lane and being clearly unprepared for a cyclist rolling through.

Headbonius Headbonius 9:32 pm 22 Aug 08

WMC I suspect that you might fail “The attitude test” on a regular basis. Just to clear things up for you:

Why do Police pull people over, including people who appear to be avoiding RBT Stations?

A: Because they can…..get over it.

cranky cranky 9:10 pm 22 Aug 08

A low speed pursuit car?

iCanberran iCanberran 8:49 pm 22 Aug 08

Hm? A Hyundai? Something tells me that if every AFP officer were off sick and only Const. Kenny were available, the hoodies in a stolen Datsun robbing banks and speeding away wouldn’t have to go very fast to get away.

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