10 June 2010

Rebecca Massey breaches bail, gets more bail, living in Ngunnawal

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The Canberra Times informs us that alleged knife murderer Rebecca Massey has breached her bail by having ex-boyfriend and alleged evidence concealer Michael Marshall around to her Ngunnawal govvie. But hey, bail conditions in the ACT are really just suggestions.

It’s been nearly two years since Elizabeth Booshand was stabbed to death at Charnwood shops in 2008.

Massey’s barrister, Jack Pappas, said Marshall might in fact become more hostile if prevented from having a relationship with his client.

He told the court that there was nothing to suggest Massey had gone in search of Marshall and no hint that she had otherwise breached her bail since it was first granted. The court heard the woman applied to change her bail conditions so that she could associate with Marshall without breaking the rules governing her freedom, but that the hearing was adjourned on June 2.

Justice Refshauge noted that the woman was unlikely to face trial before 2012 and said she would be put in custody if she transgressed her bail conditions again.

And we call this a justice system?

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Yes it is sad that her son witnessed it, but his mother took the knife with her, don’t tell me she didn’t intend to use the knife, she didn’t give her son or the victims daughter a second thought or anyone else for that matter, they only thing she wanted was to start a fight.
If you were there and a witness, then why was she sentenced in the first place, ok she’s appealing the sentence, so what, she may not get it, she had a jury, twelve people, they heard all the evidence.

Rawhide Kid Part310:20 am 22 May 11

Charnyboy said :

The communities not better off without her at all. She has an 11yr old son who despite media reports that liz’ daughter witnessed the event was the ONLY witness.this poor little boys father is already in jail and has been for 95 percent of his eleven years. He then watched this whole event take place which traumatized him beyond comprehention and then had to deal with his sole parent being jailed for the next 11 months untill she was released on bail.now she’s been found guilty of murder pending an appeal is looking at a lngthy jail term which would probably see him reach the age of 21 without his mum to support him the whole way. I’m not forgetting the situation of Shaylee, liz’ daughter or son or Terry for that matter. Liz’ husband, just highlighting your ignorance and blindness to the reality of the whole situation. The community would certainly be a better place without narrow minded arrogent pigs like you preaching proudly about subjecs you know nothing about. Neck up muppet and keep your opinions to yourself!! I was there and seen eveything barring the actual stabbing and I know Michael, Rebecca and Terry and I know what happened and who seen what. You don’t so once again I urge you to butt out and focus on your own life and not things that don’t involve you in any way! Your life must be lacking?it’s clearly evident by your ignorant comments. Blah blah blah. Who cares what you think? NOT I !!!!!

You must care what we all think if you wrote all the above……

LSWCHP said :

fgzk said :

LSWCHP said :

Oh FFS. Shoot ’em.

And that makes you different how lswchp. You use a gun to threaten and carry out your murderous intentions. You make joke maybe. Ha ha shooting people is so funny.

Nothing funny about it. No whooping it up or anything. It’s just business. Self preservation.

I come from 4 generations of farmers that had (and still have) farm dogs. Most dogs are great, far better company than most people in fact. Occasionally you get a farm dog that’s useless. In a dirt poor rural environment you can’t afford that, so you get your .22 and you shoot it.

That’s how I feel about these folks. They’re useless. In fact, they’re worse than useless because they go around stealing things, assaulting people, dealing drugs and generally having a negative impact on our society. I reckon we’d all be better off without them.

If shooting’s not an option, how about we ship them off to a remote Pacific island where they can look after themselves? Anything to get them well away from me and my family.

You must get annoyed at the amount of money spent on trying to stop farmers shooting themselves. I guess its that basic idea if your not making a profit then time eat a bullet. Funny stuff.

“She also said that she has never been a model. “

That’s a lie, I saw her on TV and clearly she’s modelling dirigibles, as she nearly is one these days

fgzk said :

LSWCHP said :

Oh FFS. Shoot ’em.

And that makes you different how lswchp. You use a gun to threaten and carry out your murderous intentions. You make joke maybe. Ha ha shooting people is so funny.

Nothing funny about it. No whooping it up or anything. It’s just business. Self preservation.

I come from 4 generations of farmers that had (and still have) farm dogs. Most dogs are great, far better company than most people in fact. Occasionally you get a farm dog that’s useless. In a dirt poor rural environment you can’t afford that, so you get your .22 and you shoot it.

That’s how I feel about these folks. They’re useless. In fact, they’re worse than useless because they go around stealing things, assaulting people, dealing drugs and generally having a negative impact on our society. I reckon we’d all be better off without them.

If shooting’s not an option, how about we ship them off to a remote Pacific island where they can look after themselves? Anything to get them well away from me and my family.

LSWCHP said :

Oh FFS. Shoot ’em.

Amen!

becxgal said :

ok i know this girl shes bisexual andd i was with her 4 like 3mths shes not a bad chick i have her name on my arm and im not a criminal im a mother of two and a model she was beauitiful to look at this girl was she was gorgous im freaked she could do this i met marshall we used to call him and mattie mnm or mand m lol i still have a soft spot 4 becs and i hope to see her wen she gets out

What a crock of sh@t!!! I spoke to Rebecca today and told her about your claims.she swears that your tripping and that she has never been in a relationship with a women in her life. She also said that she has never been a model. Just as I thought. Your trying to get your 15 seconds of fame and your filled to the brim with sh@t. I also spoke to Marshall and he confirmed my beliefs. Get a life!!!!

LSWCHP said :

Oh FFS. Shoot ’em.

And that makes you different how lswchp. You use a gun to threaten and carry out your murderous intentions. You make joke maybe. Ha ha shooting people is so funny.

Oh FFS. Shoot ’em.

becxgal said :

ok i know this girl shes bisexual andd i was with her 4 like 3mths shes not a bad chick i have her name on my arm and im not a criminal im a mother of two and a model she was beauitiful to look at this girl was she was gorgous im freaked she could do this i met marshall we used to call him and mattie mnm or mand m lol i still have a soft spot 4 becs and i hope to see her wen she gets out

What?

Charnyboy, you say Massey deserves to be defended, she was defended, by Pappas, a man more learned and ‘smarterer’ than you. Massay and the rest of her drug taking turd mates (are you one of them?) have made Charnwood a s***hole. I hope they enjoy the gutter. Oh, and you obviously care what most people in Canberra think because you take the time to make poorly thought out arguments here.

You stab someone, you deserve to die in prison. If Massey was a decent mum (she’s not) she would of thought of her own kids.

Pommy bastard7:13 pm 20 May 11

Charnyboy said :

She has an 11yr old son….
…this poor little boys father is already in jail and has been for 95 percent of his eleven years.

Poor sod would be much better off with foster parents in that case. He may have some chance of a decentl life away friom the scum that brought him into the world.

The communities not better off without her at all. She has an 11yr old son who despite media reports that liz’ daughter witnessed the event was the ONLY witness.this poor little boys father is already in jail and has been for 95 percent of his eleven years. He then watched this whole event take place which traumatized him beyond comprehention and then had to deal with his sole parent being jailed for the next 11 months untill she was released on bail.now she’s been found guilty of murder pending an appeal is looking at a lngthy jail term which would probably see him reach the age of 21 without his mum to support him the whole way. I’m not forgetting the situation of Shaylee, liz’ daughter or son or Terry for that matter. Liz’ husband, just highlighting your ignorance and blindness to the reality of the whole situation. The community would certainly be a better place without narrow minded arrogent pigs like you preaching proudly about subjecs you know nothing about. Neck up muppet and keep your opinions to yourself!! I was there and seen eveything barring the actual stabbing and I know Michael, Rebecca and Terry and I know what happened and who seen what. You don’t so once again I urge you to butt out and focus on your own life and not things that don’t involve you in any way! Your life must be lacking?it’s clearly evident by your ignorant comments. Blah blah blah. Who cares what you think? NOT I !!!!!

Whatever you say about how reformed she is, the community is a better place with her behind bars.

She is a beautiful person, a loving mother and a faithful, loyal, affectionate, nurturing and dedicated partner.

That is guilty of repeatedly driving a knife into another humans ticker…dear oh dear, what next, Rebecca has attributes of Mother Theresa

If someone repeatedly threatened your life i think you just may consider carrying something to protect yourself. Being that your the perfect citizen I presume that you would abide by the law and allow yourself to be stabbed to death and not even attempt to defend yourself.NOT!!! Ms booshand had a propencity for violence and was a known heroin dealer for about twenty years.given that, I don’t blame Rebecca for carrying a knife to defend herself. You all know nothing of the circumstances that lead to this incident and therefor don’t really have a clue. I know Rebecca well and she is a reformed women who herself escaped a life of crime, drug use and violence only to be repeatedly threatened and harrassed to a point where she finally snapped.She is a beautiful person, a loving mother and a faithful, loyal, affectionate, nurturing and dedicated partner. Lay off, you don’t know Jack s$@t! The only reason I bother even commenting is because I get told of the niave, ignorant ramblings and know that she deserves to be defended! I wish you would all just keep your ignorant, absent minded, uninformed opinions to yourself and find something that actually affects you so you have reason to comment at all. Untill then , get a life!she’s already been granted her appeal because the LAW sees the injustice that took place at her trial and I hope and pray that she’s succesful.GOOD LUCK BEC, I wish you all the best!!!!!! Mwah xo xo xo

Chop71 said :

I wonder who gets her Ngunnawal Govvie house if/when she gets new accommodation?

Would anyone really want it..??

shadow boxer12:00 pm 29 Apr 11

shadow boxer said :

Ah, but there are two Ngunnawal shops.

Sorry that’s true, the Platypus one is o.k., the other one is like war torn Lebanon.

You’re kidding right? Those poor kids.

No, not kidding, we still go there but not without a parent.

Why, do you feel they are missing out on something special ?

I wonder who gets her Ngunnawal Govvie house if/when she gets new accommodation?

shadow boxer said :

Ah, but there are two Ngunnawal shops.

Sorry that’s true, the Platypus one is o.k., the other one is like war torn Lebanon.

You’re kidding right? Those poor kids.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Charnyboy said :

Hey cloe, I know both Marshall and Massey and have done for 30 yes.Firstly she’s not bi.secondly you were never with her.thirdly I think you’ll find his name is Michael ,so why would you call him maddie? If you were really informed and did really know them you’d know that they’re decent people and they lead normal lives.can you honestly say the same for yourself??? Doubt it???Get a life!!!

Your idea of normal frightens me.

+1 for this.

Gerry-Built said :

Charnyboy said :

you’d know that they’re decent people and they lead normal lives.

I know lots of “decent people” who live “normal lives”. I have never known any of them to attend their local takeaway with a ~30cm kitchen knife “just in case”…

my mistake… ~30 kitchen knife = Pocket knife… still; most of my friends don’t carry even those around… suburbia hardly necessitates tools of that calibre…

I wonder what Booshand was armed with (other than harsh words)?

shadow boxer10:51 am 29 Apr 11

shadow boxer said :

Looks like my decision to ban my kids from using Ngunnawal shops was a good one.

It’s bogan central down there…

Ah, but there are two Ngunnawal shops.

Sorry that’s true, the Platypus one is o.k., the other one is like war torn Lebanon.

colourful sydney racing identity10:47 am 29 Apr 11

Deref said :

Perhaps if the judges explained to us why our expectations were unreasonable and their judgements were correct we’d have a better idea of why the two seem so far apart.

Perhaps you could read their judgements?

Deref said :

Perhaps if the judges explained to us why our expectations were unreasonable and their judgements were correct we’d have a better idea of why the two seem so far apart.

+1

When people go stabby, in 99% of cases my assumption is they they are either criminally dangerous and should be separated from society; are seriously mentally unwell and should be separated from society; or are badly addicted to drugs and should be separated from society.

If the courts could let us know the reason they see that this person falls in the other 1% I would be grateful.

shadow boxer said :

Looks like my decision to ban my kids from using Ngunnawal shops was a good one.

It’s bogan central down there…

Ah, but there are two Ngunnawal shops.

Charnyboy said :

Hey cloe, I know both Marshall and Massey and have done for 30 yes.Firstly she’s not bi.secondly you were never with her.thirdly I think you’ll find his name is Michael ,so why would you call him maddie? If you were really informed and did really know them you’d know that they’re decent people and they lead normal lives.can you honestly say the same for yourself??? Doubt it???Get a life!!!

It has been my experience that “decent people” who live “normal lives” tend not to stab or murder others. Also, you really need to learn how to write using proper punctuation. You aren’t doing much to help the Charnwood stereotype.

As for the bail issue – it’s just another reason why the “justice” system in the ACT appears to be in need of serious repair. But shhhh… let’s not type too loudly or Not/Lookout Smithers will be in here banging away about how perfect the legal system is and how it’s the media that’s always wrong. I don’t think I could handle having to see that nonsense again right now.

p1 said :

Looks like my decision to ban my kids from using Ngunnawal shops was a good one.

It’s bogan central down there…

Buy them kevlar

colourful sydney racing identity9:54 am 29 Apr 11

Charnyboy said :

Hey cloe, I know both Marshall and Massey and have done for 30 yes.Firstly she’s not bi.secondly you were never with her.thirdly I think you’ll find his name is Michael ,so why would you call him maddie? If you were really informed and did really know them you’d know that they’re decent people and they lead normal lives.can you honestly say the same for yourself??? Doubt it???Get a life!!!

Your idea of normal frightens me.

shadow boxer9:37 am 29 Apr 11

Looks like my decision to ban my kids from using Ngunnawal shops was a good one.

It’s bogan central down there…

Bosworth said :

It amuses me that the armchair-judiciary bogans in this thread pass judgement based on 4 sentences in the opening post, and think that their decision is better than Justice Refshauge’s. Yet Justice Refshauge heard and read the full arguments from each side, and has many years of experience making these decisions.

OK – Let’s say that Justice Refshauge’s judgement is fair and reasonable, taking into account all the circumstances.

It’s not unreasonable for an ordinary person to feel that someone who’s stabbed someone else to death should quickly be locked up, even if that’s an unreasonable expectation.

Perhaps if the judges explained to us why our expectations were unreasonable and their judgements were correct we’d have a better idea of why the two seem so far apart.

Charnyboy said :

you’d know that they’re decent people and they lead normal lives.

I know lots of “decent people” who live “normal lives”. I have never known any of them to attend their local takeaway with a ~30cm kitchen knife “just in case”…

georgesgenitals9:22 pm 28 Apr 11

Charnyboy said :

Hey cloe, I know both Marshall and Massey and have done for 30 yes.Firstly she’s not bi.secondly you were never with her.thirdly I think you’ll find his name is Michael ,so why would you call him maddie? If you were really informed and did really know them you’d know that they’re decent people and they lead normal lives.can you honestly say the same for yourself??? Doubt it???Get a life!!!

Meeeeeeoooooooooowwww!

Hey cloe, I know both Marshall and Massey and have done for 30 yes.Firstly she’s not bi.secondly you were never with her.thirdly I think you’ll find his name is Michael ,so why would you call him maddie? If you were really informed and did really know them you’d know that they’re decent people and they lead normal lives.can you honestly say the same for yourself??? Doubt it???Get a life!!!

becxgal said :

ok i know this girl shes bisexual andd i was with her 4 like 3mths shes not a bad chick i have her name on my arm and im not a criminal im a mother of two and a model she was beauitiful to look at this girl was she was gorgous im freaked she could do this i met marshall we used to call him and mattie mnm or mand m lol i still have a soft spot 4 becs and i hope to see her wen she gets out

Sounds like you have some quality friends.

Or should I say above ‘ Hannibal Lector ‘ had his friend for lunch!

I have a suggestion, how about the accused take up residence with the judge who makes such a decsion to let her out on bail and see if he/her feels that they are living in a safe home environment with this type of person living with their family and spending quality time with their loved ones and friends! I mean after all Hannibal Lector joined his friend for lunch!

Oh something to think about here……….

ok i know this girl shes bisexual andd i was with her 4 like 3mths shes not a bad chick i have her name on my arm and im not a criminal im a mother of two and a model she was beauitiful to look at this girl was she was gorgous im freaked she could do this i met marshall we used to call him and mattie mnm or mand m lol i still have a soft spot 4 becs and i hope to see her wen she gets out

When it takes 4 years for something as serious as a murder to be resolved, I think it’s pretty fair to say the system is broken.

Pommy bastard9:47 am 11 Jun 10

cranky said :

Given the recent coincidence of local crims coming to sticky ends on the road, perhaps a half arsed attempt to teach Ms Massey to ride a motorcycle prior to turning her loose could have a wondrous result for the community.

And giving her more bail when she rides it at 180 kph through a school zone, whilst not wearing a helmet…

I’m sure Mick Marshall would be living with Massey, as he is a leech!

Guys the reason it takes soooo long to get to supreme court, is there is a back log in the court, don’t forget we have only one supreme court house here in Canberra, yes it is a joke, but not funny for the victims of crime who have to wait to get to trial.

Massey should be locked up, Massey and Marshall deserve each other.

justin heywood10:47 pm 10 Jun 10

Bosworth said :

It amuses me that the armchair-judiciary bogans in this thread pass judgement based on 4 sentences in the opening post, and think that their decision is better than Justice Refshauge’s. Yet Justice Refshauge heard and read the full arguments from each side, and has many years of experience making these decisions.

So Bos, please lead this poor ignorant bogan toward enlightenment. If the justice system in this town is a model of efficiency; if our judges are directly descended from Solomon himself, why is it that:

-Four years can elapse between a crime and a judicial decision

-Bail conditions are flexible, the amount of flexibility to be determined by the person on bail, not the court

-The citizens of the city should not comment on any judge’s decision, as they haven’t read the ‘full argument’ from each side and have had no experience making judgments (Was there some compelling argument in this issue that wasn’t reported Bos?)

justin heywood said :

Bosworth said :

to all the commenters above, how is your assessment of the best course of action a better decision than that made by the judge?

Let me put a question to you Bos. What do you think the penalty should be for breaching bail?

That depends on the specific details of each case.

It amuses me that the armchair-judiciary bogans in this thread pass judgement based on 4 sentences in the opening post, and think that their decision is better than Justice Refshauge’s. Yet Justice Refshauge heard and read the full arguments from each side, and has many years of experience making these decisions.

dvaey said :

Isnt there something about a defendant having the right to a speedy trial? Sure, the police need time to build their case, but 4 years is almost the statute of limitations for some crimes.

There are sooooo many things wrong with that statement, but I will say few things:

1. Murder has no statute of limitations
2. The matter is before the court and the statute of limitations do not apply anyways

Who said that it is the Police/prosecutions fault the matter is dragging on …… it’s not all that uncommon that:

1. The defence holds up proceedings for what ever reason/s
2. Defendants sometimes don’t want speedy trials

As far as I am aware, the statute of limitations apply to summary offences, not indictable ones.

Pork Hunt said :

farq said :

4 years? They have to be joking right.

Why?

Yes, why?
One person stabbed another person. The other person died.
Apparently there were witnesses and the Plod took statements.
What’s wrong with going to court the next day and throwing that at the beak and getting a result there and then?
Go to Jail.

Isnt there something about a defendant having the right to a speedy trial? Sure, the police need time to build their case, but 4 years is almost the statute of limitations for some crimes.

farq said :

4 years? They have to be joking right.

Why?

Yes, why?

One person stabbed another person. The other person died.

Apparently there were witnesses and the Plod took statements.

What’s wrong with going to court the next day and throwing that at the beak and getting a result there and then?

Go to Jail.

Given the recent coincidence of local crims coming to sticky ends on the road, perhaps a half arsed attempt to teach Ms Massey to ride a motorcycle prior to turning her loose could have a wondrous result for the community.

Reckon the justice system is going to stay broke, too, until Labor gets some genuine competition from other parties. Regardless of your political leanings, a monoculture is a recipe for JLKASDKLJASDJKLASDLJK. Pronounce it as you will.

Where’s Mully when you need him.

justin heywood3:52 pm 10 Jun 10

“Massey’s barrister, Jack Pappas, said Marshall might in fact become more hostile if prevented from having a relationship with his client.”

At least you have to smile at Pappas’ cheek. A reasonable person might assume that she was already pretty hostile at the time of the (alleged) murder. How much more hostile could she get?

I allege, your honour, that in this town the justice system is broke.

Instant Mash3:33 pm 10 Jun 10

Hence my lack of faith in the justice system.

Pommy bastard3:02 pm 10 Jun 10

What is the point of the bail system if when breached there is only more leeway given?

He told the court that there was nothing to suggest Massey had gone in search of Marshall and no hint that she had otherwise breached her bail since it was first granted.

If this is true, then fair enough I suppose. But if he knew of the bail condition placed upon her, and knowingly breached it, isn’t there something they can charge him with? Was she home and he turned up uninvited, she asked him to leave, end of story? Or since he was there, did they have some beers and watch the footy for a few hours?

justin heywood1:27 pm 10 Jun 10

Bosworth said :

to all the commenters above, how is your assessment of the best course of action a better decision than that made by the judge?

Let me put a question to you Bos. What do you think the penalty should be for breaching bail?

georgesgenitals1:10 pm 10 Jun 10

Pommy bastard said :

Massey’s barrister, Jack Pappas, said Marshall might in fact become more hostile if prevented from having a relationship with his client.

Yes, and?

Can anyone, anyone with a drop of sanity left, please explain to me why this means her bail conditions should be weakened, rather than strengthened or rescinded and her breached?

Harm minimisation.

to all the commenters above, how is your assessment of the best course of action a better decision than that made by the judge?

Rebecca Massey is a shining example of the failure of the Canberra legal system.

Pommy bastard11:20 am 10 Jun 10

Massey’s barrister, Jack Pappas, said Marshall might in fact become more hostile if prevented from having a relationship with his client.

Yes, and?

Can anyone, anyone with a drop of sanity left, please explain to me why this means her bail conditions should be weakened, rather than strengthened or rescinded and her breached?

4 years? They have to be joking right.

Why?

ConanOfCooma11:12 am 10 Jun 10

No, I never called it a Justice System. It’s a joke, through and through.

neanderthalsis10:45 am 10 Jun 10

And they wonder why we have no confidence in the judicial system in this dingbat dictatorship. Shame, shame…

Surely the fact that Marshal may become more violent would be a reason for them both to be remanded and not left out on the community to stab people and hide evidence at will.

If I ever do anything wrong I want Jack Pappas in my corner. The man is a genius!

Why has it been two years already, and going to take another two years for it to be going to trial? Does it take four years to organise? Is the criminal court system four years behind for everybody? Glad I’m not giving evidence, I would have a fair bit of trouble remembering anything reliable after that amount of time.

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