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Red light runner video at Monaro and Lanyon.

By TheBusDriver 21 January 2014 35

The intersection of Lanyon drive and southbound Monaro highway has seen a LOT of accidents over the years.

Thankfully non fatal but I’ve seen some shockers that have made me wonder how people survived.

The other week I saw this P plate driver drive right through a red light.

It is not the first time I’ve seen that either.

So, how do I go about getting that changed? Also, is the best fix a red light camera or a longer light cycle?

Personally I think a longer amber light will just encourage more people to take the risk and run it.

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TheBusDriver 7:03 am 28 Feb 14

Someone took out the lights there on Wednesday. Going too fast coming off the Monero

TheBusDriver 6:20 pm 19 Feb 14

This morning I saw the same driver do an incerdibly stupid squeese betweeen my car and the one just behind and beside me, all to get to the next red light one car lenth in front of me.

bundah 10:34 am 14 Feb 14

TheBusDriver said :

TallBoy said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Even more dangerous than speeding.

Source?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Even more dangerous than speeding.

Sauce?

Well if you insist. I suggest barbecue, or perhaps tomato or even mint.
Because those are about as relevant as the bicycle vs car stuff this thread has turned in to. How about we focus on cars running red lights folks. Or is that too hard for Canberrans to do?

Much too difficult particularly when the imbeciles in power are so focused on cuts to services that they really don’t give a shit about dangerous red light runners.

I’ve said it a hundred times….HIGH VISIBILITY POLICING!

TheBusDriver 9:21 am 14 Feb 14

TallBoy said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Even more dangerous than speeding.

Source?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Even more dangerous than speeding.

Sauce?

Well if you insist. I suggest barbecue, or perhaps tomato or even mint.
Because those are about as relevant as the bicycle vs car stuff this thread has turned in to. How about we focus on cars running red lights folks. Or is that too hard for Canberrans to do?

TallBoy 10:48 pm 13 Feb 14

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Even more dangerous than speeding.

Source?

NoImRight 10:59 am 13 Feb 14

OpenYourMind said :

NoImRight said :

KB1971 said :

NoImRight said :

OpenYourMind said :

I’m really confused now. I was under the impression it was only cyclists who run red lights and car drivers were the paragon of road rule compliance.

Your confusion make come from the fact no one anywhere ever has actually said that.Or maybe the noise of you dragging this up kicking and screaming may have distracted you from the actual topic?

No one has said it in this thread………..it has been mentioned 2358476628585454 times before.

Without wishing to be “that guy”…example?

Nobody mentioned it in this thread, but there’s so many other threads where people write up this post about how they once saw this guy on a bike disobey a red light and therefore all cyclists are evil and possibly eat babies and stuff. But when a car driver runs a red, there’s no talk of ‘all car drivers being crap and needing to get off the road’. Never mind that when car drivers running reds are so common that cameras on sticks have to be installed and the offence usually occurs at significant speed. That’s why I mention it – because I’m sick of the double standard.

OK. I can understand a certain frustration if you feel singled out but the point I was trying to make above was that pointing out the faults of drivers doesnt excuse cyclists when they do the wrong thing anymore than cyclists doing the wrong thing justifies drivers bad behaviour. Its pointless trying to make it a competition.

MrBigEars 10:24 am 13 Feb 14

OpenYourMind said :

Nobody mentioned it in this thread, but there’s so many other threads where people write up this post about how they once saw this guy on a bike disobey a red light and therefore all cyclists are evil and possibly eat babies and stuff. But when a car driver runs a red, there’s no talk of ‘all car drivers being crap and needing to get off the road’. Never mind that when car drivers running reds are so common that cameras on sticks have to be installed and the offence usually occurs at significant speed. That’s why I mention it – because I’m sick of the double standard.

I have to say, I don’t think it helps your cause. You certainly wont change the attitude of the mouth-breathing anti-everything brigade, but you may push the more reasonable people to dismiss your argument as a whiny persecution complex. At least, that’s my impression. But I’m a notorious baby eater, so take it as you will.

OpenYourMind 8:39 pm 12 Feb 14

NoImRight said :

KB1971 said :

NoImRight said :

OpenYourMind said :

I’m really confused now. I was under the impression it was only cyclists who run red lights and car drivers were the paragon of road rule compliance.

Your confusion make come from the fact no one anywhere ever has actually said that.Or maybe the noise of you dragging this up kicking and screaming may have distracted you from the actual topic?

No one has said it in this thread………..it has been mentioned 2358476628585454 times before.

Without wishing to be “that guy”…example?

Nobody mentioned it in this thread, but there’s so many other threads where people write up this post about how they once saw this guy on a bike disobey a red light and therefore all cyclists are evil and possibly eat babies and stuff. But when a car driver runs a red, there’s no talk of ‘all car drivers being crap and needing to get off the road’. Never mind that when car drivers running reds are so common that cameras on sticks have to be installed and the offence usually occurs at significant speed. That’s why I mention it – because I’m sick of the double standard.

NoImRight 4:42 pm 11 Feb 14

KB1971 said :

NoImRight said :

OpenYourMind said :

I’m really confused now. I was under the impression it was only cyclists who run red lights and car drivers were the paragon of road rule compliance.

Your confusion make come from the fact no one anywhere ever has actually said that.Or maybe the noise of you dragging this up kicking and screaming may have distracted you from the actual topic?

No one has said it in this thread………..it has been mentioned 2358476628585454 times before.

Without wishing to be “that guy”…example?

KB1971 2:25 pm 11 Feb 14

NoImRight said :

OpenYourMind said :

I’m really confused now. I was under the impression it was only cyclists who run red lights and car drivers were the paragon of road rule compliance.

Your confusion make come from the fact no one anywhere ever has actually said that.Or maybe the noise of you dragging this up kicking and screaming may have distracted you from the actual topic?

No one has said it in this thread………..it has been mentioned 2358476628585454 times before.

NoImRight 9:54 am 11 Feb 14

OpenYourMind said :

I’m really confused now. I was under the impression it was only cyclists who run red lights and car drivers were the paragon of road rule compliance.

Your confusion make come from the fact no one anywhere ever has actually said that.Or maybe the noise of you dragging this up kicking and screaming may have distracted you from the actual topic?

OpenYourMind 8:41 am 11 Feb 14

I’m really confused now. I was under the impression it was only cyclists who run red lights and car drivers were the paragon of road rule compliance.

rhino 5:18 pm 28 Jan 14

Not to take anything away from this, but I’ve seen far far worse. You can see that light being amber and only just changing to red before they took off and the people who would be driving into him have had clear visibility of him for quite some time. So the probability of them seeing someone drive through the red directly in front of them while they are stopped and then pulling out in front of them is quite low to be honest. The scariest ones are where they do it when traffic is already moving in the other direction and with that traffic having low visibility of that car coming through.

Aaroncbr 12:33 pm 28 Jan 14

astrojax said :

MrBigEars said :

Aaroncbr said :

I saw a fully licences driver run a red on Northbourne this morning.

My bus driver went through one this morning.

through a fully licenced driver?

HA
HA
HA

JC 9:52 pm 23 Jan 14

cranky said :

So many traffic light sets in the ACT are poorly timed that it seems inconceivable that any thought whatsoever has gone into their programming.

Most sets seem to be set up to deliberately interfere with traffic flow.

I appreciate that it would be difficult to make everyone happy, but it would also be difficult to make a bigger hash of current sequencing.

Green lights on major roads for way longer than necessary, lights set to deliberately stop turning traffic metres after a previous (long awaited) green, and very short green perio

The lights in Canberra work in a co-ordinated method during peak times and off peak most work in a demand driven mode.

During the peaks (from about 7:30 till 9am and 4:30-6 M-F) you do see what you are talking about where some directions have more flow than at other directions, but this is because someone has, contrary to what you believe actually thought about it and chosen to sequence the lights to benefit of the majority and to get the best flow from the whole road network. They do this modelling based on real historical data gathered by the lights. It can be adjusted in real time if there are congestion problems along the road.

As for the long wait, as mentioned it is based on historical data, with a bit of manual intervention thrown in, so whilst one day you may well be waiting a long time with no cars coming the other way, this is because history has shown that there is a greater chance of more vehicles coming the opposite way. So if you were in the same place at the same time the next day you may well be facing a line of cars. It may well cause minor inconvenience to people travelling in the opposing directions as they will get less time but as mentioned it is done that way to the benefit of most.

During the peaks it gets hard to put the lights into a purely demand driven mode as you will get constant demand from all directions, but not consistent flows.

Outside of peak hours the traffic lights go into a demand response type mode. In this mode they will have a default flow along what is considered the main traffic flow direction and if vehicles come to a red they will reasonably quickly change for them when demand drops on the main flow. They do of course have a flow sequence to follow, so it isn’t a case of first in best dressed, unless of course it is 3am and your the only vehicle around.

Outside of peaks some lights will also still operate to a program of sorts. A good example is the intersection of Catchpole Street and Belconnen Way. On Sundays, where there is lots of traffic going to/coming from Jamision for Trash and Treassure traffic turning right off Belconnen Way into Catchpole street gets extra time, and the sequence is change. The normal sequence is turns off Belconnen way, straight through, turn off Lathlain Street, turn off Catchpole Street. On Sundays the sequence is turns off Belconnen way, straight through, turn off Catchpole Street (extra time), turn off Lathlain Street.

Years ago when in school I visited the Sydney traffic management centre, who designed the system used in Canberra (I believe they also run the system here too) it was quite an eye opener to see what they can see and how they can adjust timings to match the flow.

So as mentioned I think your claim that no thought has gone into it is a bit wrong. There is a lot more though and science behind it than you may think and as you mentioned you cannot please everyone.

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