26 October 2010

Remembering Joe Cinque

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Let’s not forget that 13 years ago tomorrow, in a duplex in Antill St Downer/Dickson, student Joe Cinque died at the hands of criminal narcissist law student Anu Singh – who got away scot free and failed to take responsibility to any degree.

Joe Cinque’s parents in Newcastle would probably like to know that Canberra still abhors the crime and the chilling aftermath that let him down so badly.

Worth noting once again that the law students present at that dinner are now practising law, and had their identities suppressed. I hope they have grown up and will spare a thought for Joe and express some regret.

I was reminded to post this with the recall that the Canberra ratepayer paid all the VOC compensation for Joe’s parents, probably $100,000. Anu Singh presumably earns a living – why isn’t she required to pay the money back?

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LSWCHP said :

bundah said :

At that time the maximum for manslaughter was 20 years and if i had been related to Cinque i would be outraged that she was freed after 4 years.

I’m not related to Poor Mr Cinque at all, but I’m still outraged by that manifestly inadequate sentence. I was gobsmacked at the time, and nothing has changed my opinion.

May his poor parents find some peace, and may that monstrous woman end up rotting, sooner rather than later.

If that was a family member would it be fair to say that the wadcutter would be unleashed and justice served?

bundah said :

At that time the maximum for manslaughter was 20 years and if i had been related to Cinque i would be outraged that she was freed after 4 years.

I’m not related to Poor Mr Cinque at all, but I’m still outraged by that manifestly inadequate sentence. I was gobsmacked at the time, and nothing has changed my opinion.

May his poor parents find some peace, and may that monstrous woman end up rotting, sooner rather than later.

I started reading Helen Garner’s book yesterday, I am about halfway through it now. I didn’t realise that the anniversary of Joe’s murder was this weekend which has just passed. Even though this case is now fifteen years old, I cannot express how angry I feel. Singh is a disgusting excuse for a human being.

I’ll never forget studying Helen Garner’s book about the case, it showed how inadequate the law system was ind ealing with someone who essentially decided to commit murder, a key fact being that she knew enough about law to manage her own defence…but because she wasn’t amditted, she didn’t have any legal ethics about admission of guilt..the next disgusting fact is that our Government subsidised her studies whilst she was in prison. A warnin that if you think the girlfriend is scary, she might well be :-0

c_c™ said :

johnboy said :

my understanding was her trial judge wrote to every law society in Australia asking she never be admitted.

Apparently that counts for something.

If Ken Crispin did that, it would be very problematic.
Suffice to say though that her record didn’t prevent her obtaining a PhD supervisor at Sydney Uni, and when Dr Singh potentially tries to apply, I wouldn’t count on 10-20yr old piece of paper in a filing cabinet somewhere having much impact. Memory fades with time.

Hopefully she never gets admitted. But if she did, I’d sure like to see how many people were game enough to use her.

She’d have to disclose the conviction when she applied. I don’t have much faith in our law societies but I can’t imagine they’d admit her. She’d probably claim they were discriminating against people with mental illness or something.

Northsidechick5:04 pm 29 Oct 12

I would like Joe Cinque’s parents to know that I still remember Joe’s story and will never forget his story. I read Helen Garner’s book a few years ago, it was perhaps the most moving, frustrating and brilliant book of my life. I am sorry for their loss.

Skidd Marx said :

Postalgeek said :

I note she has a profile on Linked In. Apparently she’s “passionate about social justice” and there’s a bit of a gap between 1996 and 2001.

Maybe sometime she can explain to Mr & Mrs Cinque how justice works?

How proud must her parents(both doctors) be that their daughter completed a PhD, Law 2006 – 2012
PhD Thesis; Offending Women – Toward a Greater Understanding of Female Criminality in Australia.

Ah the irony of it all is sickening!

Postalgeek said :

I note she has a profile on Linked In. Apparently she’s “passionate about social justice” and there’s a bit of a gap between 1996 and 2001.

Maybe sometime she can explain to Mr & Mrs Cinque how justice works?

Affirmative Action Man11:16 am 29 Oct 12

Let’s not forget that 13 years ago tomorrow, in a duplex in Antill St Downer/Dickson, student Joe Cinque died at the hands of criminal narcissist law student Anu Singh – who got away scot free and failed to take responsibility to any degree.

She did not get away scot free – she served about 4 years. Still this was totally inadequate. In many countries she would have been executed for such a crime.

I note she has a profile on Linked In. Apparently she’s “passionate about social justice” and there’s a bit of a gap between 1996 and 2001.

The sentence imposed by Crispin of 10 years with 4 years non parole was imo grossly inadequate.Sure it was accepted that she had a mental illness for quite some time and that it was the motivating factor as to why she killed Cinque with a heroin overdose after drugging him with Rohypnol but the sentence imposed makes a mockery of the belief that life is sacred and should not be violated.

Given Crispin reduced the charge from murder to manslaughter due to her mental illness he could have handed out a more appropriate sentence,particularly in relation to the non parole period..At that time the maximum for manslaughter was 20 years and if i had been related to Cinque i would be outraged that she was freed after 4 years.

johnboy said :

my understanding was her trial judge wrote to every law society in Australia asking she never be admitted.

Apparently that counts for something.

If Ken Crispin did that, it would be very problematic.
Suffice to say though that her record didn’t prevent her obtaining a PhD supervisor at Sydney Uni, and when Dr Singh potentially tries to apply, I wouldn’t count on 10-20yr old piece of paper in a filing cabinet somewhere having much impact. Memory fades with time.

Hopefully she never gets admitted. But if she did, I’d sure like to see how many people were game enough to use her.

Lookout Smithers9:42 pm 28 Oct 12

johnboy said :

my understanding was her trial judge wrote to every law society in Australia asking she never be admitted.

Apparently that counts for something.

If it were something that A Judge would do? They would have to say why or face being told in lawyer terms to get bent. But that would be dancing with the devil I think. Why would they bother ?

meagain said :

Evil has a new name anu Singh. How she got away with murder is beyond comprehension ! ken crispin got it wrong the only consolation the cinques have is knowing kharma will take care if her and god will be her judge rest in peace dear Joe

About what you’d expect from the left wing luvvie judges we have in Canberra.

Lookout Smithers8:56 pm 28 Oct 12

A tragedy indeed this case. I would like to say that in the face of unsolved murders, at least there was an outcome. But I am not too sure that it is really worth it in this case. I have no value judgement but rather I mean for the family it must be overwhelmingly difficult to make sense of it, let alone the grief. Tragic.

bundah said :

The thought of her representing others given her history doesn’t sit well with me.

I suspect you could say that of many in the law, many currently studying to enter law, and even senior members of the law community: http://the-riotact.com/phillip-edwin-bailey-still-trying-his-luck/22858

georgesgenitals said :

It depends on whether she had a genuine disorder ro illness, or was just a whingey high maintenance pain in the ass (I’m sure we all had a mate with a girlfriend like that).

Seems like a bit of a get-out-of-jail-free card: nobody commits murder without their being something very wrong with their brains, and so, if Ken Crispin had his way, no murderer would ever be prosecuted for murder.

johnboy said :

Deref said :

Rubbish.

She’ll have a successful career in law and die a rich woman in her old age.

Has she been admitted to practice anywhere? I had thought there were some unusually severe prohibitions on her ever doing so.

The fitness to practice test isn’t particularly strict even in the Model Rules, and the specific provisions in the ACT legislation are even less so, having no specific character tests and leaving it completely to the discretion of the Supreme Court.

I’ve not read anywhere that there’s prohibitions on her practicing. I think concerningly she would have a good chance of getting admitted. It would be a political decision by the court I suspect, something along the lines of demonstrating how someone can reform themselves, even if there’s no contrition.

my understanding was her trial judge wrote to every law society in Australia asking she never be admitted.

Apparently that counts for something.

johnboy said :

Deref said :

Rubbish.

She’ll have a successful career in law and die a rich woman in her old age.

Has she been admitted to practice anywhere? I had thought there were some unusually severe prohibitions on her ever doing so.

It would take irony to a new level if that weren’t the case.

johnboy said :

Deref said :

Rubbish.

She’ll have a successful career in law and die a rich woman in her old age.

Has she been admitted to practice anywhere? I had thought there were some unusually severe prohibitions on her ever doing so.

The thought of her representing others given her history doesn’t sit well with me.

Deref said :

Rubbish.

She’ll have a successful career in law and die a rich woman in her old age.

Has she been admitted to practice anywhere? I had thought there were some unusually severe prohibitions on her ever doing so.

meagain said :

the only consolation the cinques have is knowing kharma will take care if her and god will be her judge rest in peace dear Joe

Rubbish.

She’ll have a successful career in law and die a rich woman in her old age.

Anu Singh should have been hanged.

Anna Key said :

A sad and shameful part of Canberra’s social and legal history

This is testimony to the fact that 99% of all lawyers give the legal profession a bad name.

Evil has a new name anu Singh. How she got away with murder is beyond comprehension ! ken crispin got it wrong the only consolation the cinques have is knowing kharma will take care if her and god will be her judge rest in peace dear Joe

S4anta I was going to post the same article.
+1 Anna Key.

georgesgenitals1:57 pm 01 Nov 10

It depends on whether she had a genuine disorder ro illness, or was just a whingey high maintenance pain in the ass (I’m sure we all had a mate with a girlfriend like that).

Trix there is a Helen Garner book about this case if you don’t feel like reading the
court documents.

There were no other extenuating circumstances for this pre-meditated murder, so the only reason Anu s got off was her personality disorder and a sympathetic judge.

Not that I know much of the background to this – obviously it’s hit some significant nerve – the fact the woman was convicted of manslaughter due to diminished responsibility and served several years in jail does not equate to getting away “scot free”.

You may consider that justice was inadequately carried out, but that happens every day. Obviously for a serious crime like this, you’d expect a bit of rigour – and a personality disorder does not usually equate to “diminished responsibility”, but I haven’t read the court records or seen the psychiatric testimony, so who knows – but she was penalised. Such as it was.

During the trial Singh’s lawyer presented evidence that she had narcissistic personality disorder, which differs greatly to being mentally ill. A RiotACTer will correct me if I’m wrong, but my understanding of this disorder is that:

(a) like any personality disorder, it cannot be cured; and
(b) a narcissist, by definition, lacks the capacity to empathise.

So expecting Singh to show genuine remorse is pretty pointless.

A sad and shameful part of Canberra’s social and legal history

I doubt Anu S. will ever get a job in law.

unconventionality5:02 pm 26 Oct 10

There was a movie made recently called ‘The Dinner Party’ that two Canberra guys made. Brendan Sloane the Producer (Magnet Mart guy) & Scott Murden who wrote the script and directed the movie. It is based on what happened and gives a fairly accurate account, in my opinion. It shows the perspectives from all of the people that attended the dinner party including Joe’s.

It’s due to hit Australian cinemas soon.

I feel very sorry for Joe’s family and friends. It is a tragedy that this happened and even more tragic that justice couldn’t serve Anu Singh.

Beserk Keyboard Warrior3:32 pm 26 Oct 10

Anu Singh needs to go and play on the nearest highway.

georgesgenitals2:56 pm 26 Oct 10

Do you reckon she ever wrote her name as ‘Anu S’?

Tee hee. Maybe this comment should go in the thread about your friend and mine, Mr Litoris.

Frano said :

From Wikipedia; “Singh is now writing her PhD thesis at the University of Sydney on Offending Women….”

I’m not a women, but this offends me.

davecdp said :

I reckon, her court defence included mentally ill and diminished responsibility yet she has now completed a masters in criminology!!!

Takes one to know one?

#3
ConanOfCooma
‘We have an outstanding justice system in this country, don’t we?’

Especially in Canberra!

Sad and unfair outcome as per usual.

“Worth noting once again that the law students present at that dinner are now practising law, and had their identities suppressed. I hope they have grown up and will spare a thought for Joe and express some regret.”

Probably not – they are lawyers after all.

And as for Singh……..gee, I’d love to meet her one day, and give her a real serve!

ConanOfCooma said :

We have an outstanding justice system in
this country, don’t we?

I reckon, her court defence included mentally ill and diminished responsibility yet she has now completed a masters in criminology!!!

ConanOfCooma11:51 am 26 Oct 10

A painful story, to say the least.

We have an outstanding justice system in this country, don’t we?

Can’t believe Anu Singh is now continuing her studies with seemingly no remorse for her victim or family. From Wikipedia; “Singh is now writing her PhD thesis at the University of Sydney on Offending Women – Toward a Greater Understanding of Female Criminality.”

I remember this quite clearly, and still feel (like many people, I guess) that justice was not adequately served. I feel particularly sad for Joe Cinque’s parents – their interview on Stateline (I think) a few years ago was touching.

Don’t hold your breath waiting for anyone involved to express remorse. Every single time I’ve seen Singh on tv she has managed to give me the strong impression that a) she feels hard done by and b) she got away it. As for her helper-monkey friend Rao…

I’m usually one for letting people live down past mistakes (as others have let me do) but in this case I’m not so sure.

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