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Road Rule Reminder. 77: Give way to buses pulling out from bus stops.

Sgt.Bungers 13 January 2010 41

A rule that in my experience, many drivers in Canberra are unaware of, or simply choose to ignore.

77 Giving way to buses.
(1) A driver driving on a length of road in a built-up area, in the left lane or left line of traffic, or in a bicycle lane on the far left side of the road, must give way to a bus in front of the driver if:
(a) the bus has stopped, or is moving slowly, at the far left side of the road, on a shoulder of the road, or in a bus stop bay; and
(b) the bus displays a give way to buses sign and the right direction indicator lights of the bus are operating; and
(c) the bus is about to enter or proceed in the lane or line of traffic in which the driver is driving.
Offence provision.

In the ACT, a driver of a vehicle who fails to give way to a bus is liable to loose 3 demerit points.

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G-Fresh G-Fresh 9:14 am 25 May 12

“Give way to buses pulling out from bus stops. “

Nahh.

Innovation Innovation 8:24 am 25 May 12

IhateWHINGERS said :

As a car driver and bus driver I know this is an old post but let me give you some info.
Road rule 77 applies to busses pulling out in to the left lane only.
The rule about change of direction does not apply here as the GIVE WAY rule takes precidence. And a bus stop is part of the roadway and as such a continuation of the lane reserved for the use of authorized vehicles
All drivers are required to slow and give way to a bus leaving a bus stop. It is no diffrent from approching an intersection with a give way sign… slow and stop to give way if required too. IE slow if you see a bus at a stop, as soon as the bus indicates you must stop and give way to the bus.
“THE SIGN OF THE BACK OF THE BUS “IS” A GIVE WAY SIGN”
BTW the words “right of way” do not appear in any road rule anywhere in Australia. it is always vehicle ‘A’ must GIVE WAY to vehicle ‘B’
so in this instance vehicle ‘A’ (car on road) MUST i repeat MUST give way to the bus leaving the curb to enter the first line of traffic. no ifs or butts

Dome said :

I got the passenger side of my car cleaned up late last year by a bus pulling out (from behind another bus at a bus stop) into the right lane of a dual carriageway, and for quite a while ACTION refused to accept liability. The insurance company finally nailed them.

News to me, I have never heard of that occuring, only time was when the insurer proved the bus driver failed to indicate,

I have had 3 people hit my bus never once even worried me regards fault,first time they called the cops and the cops gave them 2 fines neg driving and fail to give way. In fact i get a better insurance deal because I am a professional Driver and know the law better than most.

OT also never a good idea to overtake a turning bus or truck you get hit your fault.

Like other vehicles, bus drivers should indicate for at least five seconds before taking action such as pulling out into traffic (and like many drivers – a large percentage of bus drivers don’t indicate for long enough). As far as I am aware, unless indicated on the bus, there is not a lower speed limit when overtaking buses although it is sensible to slow down a bit when passing any stationary vehicle including cars.

If the car is close to the back of the bus and about to pass or is even beside the bus then I would have thought that they should only give way to the bus if it is safe to do so.

IhateWHINGERS IhateWHINGERS 10:17 pm 24 May 12

As a car driver and bus driver I know this is an old post but let me give you some info.
Road rule 77 applies to busses pulling out in to the left lane only.
The rule about change of direction does not apply here as the GIVE WAY rule takes precidence. And a bus stop is part of the roadway and as such a continuation of the lane reserved for the use of authorized vehicles
All drivers are required to slow and give way to a bus leaving a bus stop. It is no diffrent from approching an intersection with a give way sign… slow and stop to give way if required too. IE slow if you see a bus at a stop, as soon as the bus indicates you must stop and give way to the bus.
“THE SIGN OF THE BACK OF THE BUS “IS” A GIVE WAY SIGN”
BTW the words “right of way” do not appear in any road rule anywhere in Australia. it is always vehicle ‘A’ must GIVE WAY to vehicle ‘B’
so in this instance vehicle ‘A’ (car on road) MUST i repeat MUST give way to the bus leaving the curb to enter the first line of traffic. no ifs or butts

Dome said :

I got the passenger side of my car cleaned up late last year by a bus pulling out (from behind another bus at a bus stop) into the right lane of a dual carriageway, and for quite a while ACTION refused to accept liability. The insurance company finally nailed them.

News to me, I have never heard of that occuring, only time was when the insurer proved the bus driver failed to indicate,

I have had 3 people hit my bus never once even worried me regards fault,first time they called the cops and the cops gave them 2 fines neg driving and fail to give way. In fact i get a better insurance deal because I am a professional Driver and know the law better than most.

OT also never a good idea to overtake a turning bus or truck you get hit your fault.

dvaey dvaey 2:52 am 22 Jan 10

TP 3000 said :

Apparently in Christchurch (Kaiapoi in particular) in New Zealand there is no law stating other vehicles are to give way to buses pulling out of bus stops. So on roads like Athllon Drive in peak hour, buses have to either risk being hit or wait for a break in traffic.

Beside the point, but the bus stops on Athllon Dr are located immediately after traffic lights.

How is ‘risk being hit or wait for a break in traffic’ any different to what every other road user experiences? Im sure every semi-trailer would love to have traffic just stop for them, but generally they understand the laws of physics arent put aside by the laws of ACTION. Just because the law says you have right of way, it doesnt mean its a good idea to pull out into the flow of traffic without making sure the way is clear. Everyone remember being told repeatedly ‘headcheck’ while learning to drive?

I actually sent a written complaint about a bus driver pulling out from the bus stop near Mawson, while 2 lanes of traffic were travelling at 80km/hr through the lights. The bus driver attempted to pull straight out into the traffic, only to realise the mayhem he would cause, and pulled back into his lane. I was advised the driver would be interviewed and counselled.

Devil_n_Disquiz Devil_n_Disquiz 6:09 pm 17 Jan 10

TP 3000 Its not just the town. The whole country 🙂 There is no ‘give way to buses’ law.

Mordd Mordd 2:34 pm 17 Jan 10

And what do you know about driving eh? According to your post re: the fire at Fyshwick you reveal that you are a bus catcher. You were right btw, somebody that knows Fyshwick would know exactly where the photos were taken. But anyways, Agree to disagree. Moral to the story, give way to action buses.

Yes I catch buses a lot as its a more sustainable form of transport. Doesn’t mean I don’t know whats right and wrong though. Btw is that meant to be some kind of a threat there? So you know where I work, are you going to come and try and harrass me at my work now are you? Bring it on Mr Law Abiding, every time you try to justify yourself you throw out another vigilante type response to justify my point, you really are making this too easy.

TP 3000 TP 3000 10:17 pm 16 Jan 10

Today I was told of a wonderful town that those that don’t want to give way to buses don’t have to.

Apparently in Christchurch (Kaiapoi in particular) in New Zealand there is no law stating other vehicles are to give way to buses pulling out of bus stops. So on roads like Athllon Drive in peak hour, buses have to either risk being hit or wait for a break in traffic.

If someone knows the law in New Zealand & can prove or disprove this that would be helpful to everyone else. I was only told this by a New Zealander.

Mordd Mordd 6:29 pm 16 Jan 10

Well look at that, it seems I was in the right after all doesn’t it? That driver pulled straight out no indicator.

Confronting someone to ask why they nearly ganked you is hardly vigilante justice btw.

Actually, it is, when you chase them back to their place of residence or business. Whether the driver was a bus driver or some random person, you take the numberplate and go to the police. There is no way you can justify what you did as anything other than a vigilante reaction. Maybe next time someone knocks into me in the street, should I follow them back to their work and yell at their secretary for it? Hell no, it doesn’t matter how you phrase it, you sir should not have a license if this is your attitude towards following the law.

Mordd Mordd 5:08 pm 15 Jan 10

Mordd said :

the guy who chased a bus back to the interchange to complain about this ought to have their licence taken away for ignorance.

Lets thank god then that you don’t write the legislation and don’t have a say matters of law (or much really as it seems). Must make you feel real important coming to conclusions like that.

We all make mistakes and learn from them, I only learn t the bus rule once and now give way to them.

It’s your inability to read the signs on the back of EVERY bus that explain this rule that really scares me, that and your mentality that “chasing” a bus driver is ok if you believe they have slighted you somehow. If you had said “written doen the numberplatte and gone to the local police station where they explained to me the rule” I wouldn’t have said anything. Instead you admit you “chased” the driver back to the interchange and then “yelled” at the ticket booth operator, only to find out YOU had done the wrong thing in first place. Its your reaction to what happened though that leads me to say you should have your licence taken away. Vigilante justice attitudes have no right on the road in the first place.

Devil_n_Disquiz Devil_n_Disquiz 4:54 pm 15 Jan 10

If the driver is about to change direction by moving from a
stationary position at the side of the road or in a median
strip parking area, the driver must give the change of
direction signal for at least 5 seconds before the driver
changes direction

luther_bendross luther_bendross 9:38 pm 14 Jan 10

One word seems to sum this up for me: PATIENCE. As you pass a bus that’s stopped, expect it to come out. Don’t tailgate it, don’t beep it, don’t try and overtake it around a corner. No-one’s a perfect driver and this can be more evident in a larger vehicle. However, if you don’t already have one, go out and get an MR/HR licence and try to understand how the driver of that vehicle senses the road. If a bus (legally) jumps out in front of you, it’ll only take you an extra 90 seconds to get from Gungahlin to Tuggers. Patience people, patience.

Mordd Mordd 6:48 pm 14 Jan 10

It’s amazing the number of drivers posting here who seem to think that them having to give way to a bus turning out is so unfair and that the bus is pulling out in front of them illegaly, thats what right of way means you ***** idiots. As for those unaware of the law, you have never wondered what the sign on the back of every bus means? Give way to right turning vehicle – the guy who chased a bus back to the interchange to complain about this ought to have their licence taken away for ignorance. Canberra isn’t the only city with this law you know, buses in Sydney and Melbourne have it too. I always understood it was a fairly well known road law, it seems thats not the case in Canberra though, and you wonder why us pedestrians / bike riders / public transport users get so pissed off at car drivers on here when they don’t even understand and follow basic road rules. Good on ya Sgt. Bungers.

GardeningGirl GardeningGirl 1:09 pm 14 Jan 10

Creekgirl said :

I am aware of and adhere to this road rule. However, some bus drivers take advantage of this rule. On many occasians I have stopped behind a bus with it’s right indicator on and the bus does not more for around a minute. Or, the bus driver turns on the indicator and pulls out at the same time, irrespective of whether you are beside them or not.

I think both bus drivers and others drivers should take more care with this road rule.

Agree. In fact the most recent time I saw a bus driver having a leisurely conversation with someone on the kerb with his right indicator on was just yesterday and I was going to start a thread about it myself! If they used their indicators properly more people might feel the indicator is actually worth paying attention to. I look for it but it’s not much help when you’re already beside the bus and with traffic behind you. At the other extreme obediently sitting behind an indicating bus for some length of time while the driver obliviously enjoys a kerbside conversation doesn’t inspire respect either.

bd84 said :

I was completely unaware of this road rule . . .

It worries me that there are drivers on our roads who don’t know simple rules like this, there are even pictures on the back of buses that indicate the need to give way . . .

Yeah, that’s was I was thinking, the picture on the back of the bus should tell you?

Pandanus77 Pandanus77 11:53 am 14 Jan 10

I agree that some common sense is necessary in these circumstances. However the number of times I’ve witnessed buses pull in to a bus stop and before they have come to a complete stop or given their passengers time to board, they have put their right blinker on. Any car coming along behind them would, under the road rules, be obliged to stop and give way to them. But if they haven’t finished loading their passengers what the hell is the right blinker doing on?

At times like this it only takes a small number or moronic bus drivers (or car drivers for that matter) to polarise opinion.

I’ve been fortunate to live in places where public transport is both accessible to my needs and affordable. Before you ask, in Sydney and Canberra to name but two places.

Dome Dome 11:51 am 14 Jan 10

I got the passenger side of my car cleaned up late last year by a bus pulling out (from behind another bus at a bus stop) into the right lane of a dual carriageway, and for quite a while ACTION refused to accept liability. The insurance company finally nailed them.

This morning at the Civic interchange (Platform 5) I lost count of the number of buses going through red lights across Northbourne, and no there is not a “B” light at that intersection. I got more of a surprise when one actually stopped when there was an amber light!

ML-585 ML-585 11:36 am 14 Jan 10

Helen said :

So if the bus pulls out without indicating we don’t have to give way?

Correct.

nutter said :

I ask because this situation arose when I was around halfway up the length of the bus when he started to enter my lane and [I] chose to accelerate in front of the bus rather than throw out the anchors. A little further up the road was a set of traffic lights at which we were both turning right, the bus driver pulled right up behind my car and commenced gesticulating angrily towards me suggesting I had been in the wrong. Who was in the right?

The rule applies only to buses pulling out of bus stops (into the left lane only if it is a multi-lane road), not changing lanes. Having said that though, it’s not a good idea to EVER remain alongside a bus “halfway up the length” – this is the biggest blind spot for a bus. Either stay back further or overtake.

Mike Bessenger said :

When bus drivers learn the general road rules (and drive by them), I will adhere to this rule. Until then, stuff ’em.

Make sure you’ve got good insurance and a protected no claim bonus, because when you hit a bus pulling out of a bus stop you will be liable for the damage. Don’t say you haven’t been warned.

georgesgenitals georgesgenitals 10:04 pm 13 Jan 10

Just another example of why Canberra drivers don’t have a clue.

nathan nathan 10:00 pm 13 Jan 10

nutter said :

If a bus pulls our from a bus stop on a two lane road with their indicator on and I am in the right hand lane am I compelled to give way or is the give way rule only applicable to the lane they’re in?

Easy—it’s right there in the OP:

77 Giving way to buses.
(1) A driver driving on a length of road in a built-up area, in the left lane or left line of traffic, or in a bicycle lane on the far left side of the road, must give way to a bus in front of the driver

(emphasis mine)

This rule doesn’t apply if you’re in the right-hand lane.

tidalik tidalik 9:40 pm 13 Jan 10

Thanks for bringing this up Sgt.

Just before Christmas I was travelling on a bus when another car driver failed to give way to it. The bus had to stop suddenly and I ended up being thrown down the aisle in a disturbing fashion and sustaining some pretty awful bruises on my head and back. I was very lucky not to get concussion.

Please everyone show some respect to buses. It’s not only about obeying the law, but about remembering the passengers on the bus are not wearing seatbelts. Not only that, but they are often old or frail and not able to easily recover from motor accident injuries.

bd84 bd84 8:59 pm 13 Jan 10

I was completely unaware of this road rule, being taught and getting my car drivers license about 8 years ago. I found out about it the hard was when I was in civic near the bus interchange, I was passing a bus in my falcon doing the speed limit and then this bus driver pulled right out on me from a bus stop when I was next to him forcing me to cross the double line into oncoming traffic. I was so close to eating it but managed to swerve the oncoming and pull back onto the right side of the road. I was so angry I followed the bus into the interchange but lost him, so I parked outside the bus info booth and stormed in. After having an angry vent at the booth guy he apologized for what happened and told me about this rule. First time I’d heard it!

It worries me that there are drivers on our roads who don’t know simple rules like this, there are even pictures on the back of buses that indicate the need to give way. It just shows how the licence system needs a radical overhaul to ensure that all drivers/riders are given proper instruction with licenced instructors instead of with mummy and daddy just sitting next to them passing on their bad habits.

I’m more worried about the road rage you clearly admit to, you’re very lucky you didn’t end up in the cells.

damien haas said :

This is one of my pet peeves. drivers should slow when they see a bus at the side of the road, in expectation it wll pull out momentarily. The number of times i’ve seen the bus pull out and drivers honk their horn in petty anger is uncountable. Every small percent gained in trip times helps the public transport system function, and makes it more attractive to the general public. Running on time helps this.

You pretty much hit it on the head in your first sentence, there would be some common sense involved to see the bus pull to the bus stop and to infer that the same bus will soon indicate an move away from the curve. The bus has right of way once it indicates its intention to leave the curb, as a driver you’re required to slow to allow it to pull out if you are behind the bus when it does so. Just because you’re going faster than it doesn’t make you immune to the law. Most people “end up beside a bus pulling out” when they try and force past it, it’s as simple as that.

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