Roundabout of Hell

Rads 19 February 2011 22

What the bleeding heck is with Canberra motorists queuing across the Antill St/Phillip Ave roundabout in the mornings? Don’t they understand that their failure to grasp the principles of roundabout mechanics means that they block traffic in THREE DIRECTIONS in their desperation to get to work?

Treat roundabouts like a traffic-light governed intersection and only drive when you can make your way across the entire intersection.

And no, I won’t be waving thanks when they deign to leave me a tiny gap to squeeze through. Because they shouldn’t be there in the first place.


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6matt9 6matt9 3:42 pm 07 Jun 11

cobberas63 said :

6matt9 said :

For the last few weeks Antill St. has been closed near the BP Service Station on the Highway so people who would normally access Antill from the BP end are now cutting through Watson. I believe that road will be open again by the end of this week. Not sure if that will help things because there does seem to be a lot more cars in the Watson / Dickson area than there used to be. More houses I guess…damn population growth.

Nope. Won’t be open until August at least according to Roundabout for the corner of Antill and Aspinall.

And yes, I too wish people would stop having babies that grow up to put more houses in suburbs and more cars on roads… and then make babies…

August !?…boo-urns.

cobberas63 cobberas63 2:05 pm 07 Jun 11

6matt9 said :

For the last few weeks Antill St. has been closed near the BP Service Station on the Highway so people who would normally access Antill from the BP end are now cutting through Watson. I believe that road will be open again by the end of this week. Not sure if that will help things because there does seem to be a lot more cars in the Watson / Dickson area than there used to be. More houses I guess…damn population growth.

Nope. Won’t be open until August at least according to Roundabout for the corner of Antill and Aspinall.

And yes, I too wish people would stop having babies that grow up to put more houses in suburbs and more cars on roads… and then make babies…

6matt9 6matt9 12:47 pm 07 Jun 11

As a Watson resident who uses that roundabout every day – I feel your pain. People are just not aware of what they are doing. And let’s face it…a lot of Canberra drivers struggle to understand the simplicity of roundabouts anyway.

For the last few weeks Antill St. has been closed near the BP Service Station on the Highway so people who would normally access Antill from the BP end are now cutting through Watson. I believe that road will be open again by the end of this week. Not sure if that will help things because there does seem to be a lot more cars in the Watson / Dickson area than there used to be. More houses I guess…damn population growth.

Watson Watson 12:02 pm 07 Jun 11

Grrrr said :

Instead of whinging here, organise a visit by the police to the roundabout in question at the time in question. A few fines for blocking the intersection will quickly educate and adjust attitudes. Best of luck.

And can you really do that? I would think that the police would be too busy to take requests…

I have been wanting to get them out to the Knox St school zone to fine some of the idiots speeding through there every morning. In some way I welcomed the increased traffic through that street last week because it made it impossible for cars to drive fast.

Watson Watson 11:49 am 07 Jun 11

I hardly had to slow down at that roundabout this morning. But I leave home after the school drop-off.

When I got to the Antill St/Northbourne intersection however, there were cars queuing across the intersection and completely blocking the North bound traffic on Northbourne! Had never seen that one before. There was a sign at my side indicating that one lane was closed in Mouat St, but the cars acoss the intersection were turning from Northbourne into Mouat, so they were all coming from one lane.

Mysteryman Mysteryman 11:32 am 07 Jun 11

Jethro said :

Mr Gillespie said :

What I’d like to know is why there is so much traffic clogging the roads in question in the first place!!

I would hardly call anything that Canberra offers as ‘so much traffic’. We have it exceptionally easy when compared to most other cities in Australia…

That argument falls apart when you compare Canberra to other cities of a comparable size.

Grrrr Grrrr 11:29 am 07 Jun 11

Instead of whinging here, organise a visit by the police to the roundabout in question at the time in question. A few fines for blocking the intersection will quickly educate and adjust attitudes. Best of luck.

canberralocal canberralocal 10:47 am 07 Jun 11

Sgt.Bungers said :

1. build a super large, free car park near epic. Light Rail could run into the city from there every 5 mins… or switch a lane of northbourne to a bus lane in peak hours only, and have busses running from EPIC every 5 mins. Gungahlin residents and NSW residents will then be given a viable alternative to driving into the city and paying $12ish for parking.[/quote>

Excellent idea, plenty of land out there to do this too. Combined with a dedicated Northbourne bus lane this would work for all those living in the suburbs between Mitchell through to Civic as well.

EvanJames EvanJames 1:40 pm 21 Feb 11

.. I thought this topic was about Kings Ave/Russell roundabout, when I first saw the heading…

The Park and Ride at Epic is a very good idea. And in fact at all the entrances to Canberra, from every direction. as more people live outside Canberra and come here to work, there’s a growing customer base for an efficient, well-run Park and Ride. If it’s good, people will use it.

Sgt.Bungers Sgt.Bungers 10:36 am 21 Feb 11

The problem starts at Northbourne Ave… the clogged artery of Canberra’s transport system results in motorists using any other route possible to get to their destination… (just like the body in the case of a clogged blood vesel in a limb).

Commuters coming into Canberra from NSW, down the federal highway, turn into Antil Street at the roundabout in Watson, do a rat run down Madigan and/or Maitland Streets, onto Phillip Ave, where they then get to turn left onto Majura Ave with right of way. The result, those attempting to come out of Watson are also forced to join this rat run, or they’ll be stuck trying to turn right into Majura Ave from Philip Ave, waiting for a rat runner to let them in… the queue of people trying to turn ultimately backs up to your roundabout.

This problem has existed for YEARS, yet never been corrected by our Milton Bradley first government (for ages 3-8, contains small parts)

Solutions to this problem at the Antil St/Phillip Ave roundabout…

1. build a super large, free car park near epic. Light Rail could run into the city from there every 5 mins… or switch a lane of northbourne to a bus lane in peak hours only, and have busses running from EPIC every 5 mins. Gungahlin residents and NSW residents will then be given a viable alternative to driving into the city and paying $12ish for parking.

2. build roundabouts at the Antill/Knox street intersections, and Majura Ave/Phillip Ave Intersections. Those coming in from NSW attempting to avoid the congestion of Northbourne will then have to give way to residents of Watson attempting to leave their suburb, and will also eliminate the rat run through Hacket by forcing left turning motorists to give way to right turning motorists at Majura Ave. Cheaper solution that will keep residents of these suburbs happier, but will still result in many commuters not having an alternative to driving into the city.

EvanJames EvanJames 10:07 am 21 Feb 11

Queuing across an intersection, to block it, is illegal. A roundabout and traffic lights are both intersections. However, most road rules in Canberra aren’t policed so you get these blockages. It is very annoying to not be able to get across an intersection because people are parked on it. Notice what the airport did with one of their new roundabouts: they installed part-time traffic lights which come on to allow Brindabella Park workers to exit at home-time. They stem the flow of cars on Pialligo Ave eastwards, and it does seem to work. They only operate around 5pm weekdays for about 30 to 40 minutes.

alaninoz alaninoz 9:50 am 21 Feb 11

Too many people think that Canberra’s the big country town that it was 20 years ago. They need to adjust their attitudes. This isn’t helped by the ACT Government’s lack of a clue about infrastructure planning. Witness the GDE fiasco, for example.

This being said, though, Jethro and Busgirl have a valid point. People in Canberra don’t appreciate the infrastructure that we already have, and that was paid for by the rest of Oz.

busgirl busgirl 9:26 am 21 Feb 11

Jethro said :

Mr Gillespie said :

What I’d like to know is why there is so much traffic clogging the roads in question in the first place!!

I would hardly call anything that Canberra offers as ‘so much traffic’. We have it exceptionally easy when compared to most other cities in Australia.

I think that is actually one of the problem with a large swathe of Canberra drivers. They are so used to not having to deal with other drivers too much that when they do encounter other people on the road they have no sense of consideration. There is a very selfish attitude on the roads here.

Having lived in brisbane for the past 10 months…I totally agree with you Jethro. When (not if) I return to Canberra, never again will I whinge about traffic or parking.

cleo cleo 2:43 am 21 Feb 11

Most drivers in Canberra are road hogs, although a women this afternoon decided to go into my lane, thing is she cut me off, I had to slam on the brakes, this was a straight road, heading towards Woden, the car was a grey Mazda, number plate BE 10 MJ, it was a NSW number plate, I’m not sure if she was on her mobil.

dvaey dvaey 5:58 pm 19 Feb 11

johnboy said :

Mr Gillespie said :

What I’d like to know is why there is so much traffic clogging the roads in question in the first place!!

You really struggle with the existence of people other than yourself don’t you?

Well I think its a fair question, some round abouts seem to struggle more than others during peak times.. maybe if they looked into why the traffic is there, they might come up with plans such as part-time traffic lights, as used to reduce congestion on drakeford/isabella round about

Growling Ferret Growling Ferret 5:22 pm 19 Feb 11

Mr Gillespie said :

What I’d like to know is why there is so much traffic clogging the roads in question in the first place!!

Because Gungahlin Drive is a cluster *&%$

There are 40000 people trying to get out of Gungahlin to work on about 3 roads – Northborne, GDE, Majura Road. Add say 3000 more from Wamboin, Sutton, Goulburn etc along the Federal Highway trying to get to Civic/inner South, no wonder the inner north roads are full each morning.

I-filed I-filed 4:46 pm 19 Feb 11

Is it by chance discouraging the Gungahlin peasants from speeding through Ainslie and delaying my crossing of Ebden Street by around 15 seconds? Hope so.

Jethro Jethro 4:18 pm 19 Feb 11

Mr Gillespie said :

What I’d like to know is why there is so much traffic clogging the roads in question in the first place!!

I would hardly call anything that Canberra offers as ‘so much traffic’. We have it exceptionally easy when compared to most other cities in Australia.

I think that is actually one of the problem with a large swathe of Canberra drivers. They are so used to not having to deal with other drivers too much that when they do encounter other people on the road they have no sense of consideration. There is a very selfish attitude on the roads here.

AussieRodney AussieRodney 3:38 pm 19 Feb 11

This is Canberra. What do you expect?

johnboy johnboy 3:29 pm 19 Feb 11

Mr Gillespie said :

What I’d like to know is why there is so much traffic clogging the roads in question in the first place!!

You really struggle with the existence of people other than yourself don’t you?

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