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So how do you say ‘Gingera’ anyway?

By beejay76 - 2 April 2013 20

I’m hoping some old-hand, bonafide Canberrans can answer this one for me.

I’m from northern NSW, and I lost all confidence in pronouncing local names after being (vehemently) told that Namadgi is pronounced na-MAD-jy rather than NAM-a-jai, as it would be up north.

So what about Gingera? I climbed it on the weekend, and it was beautiful. But is it GIN-ger-a, JIN-jer-a, gin-GAIR-a, jin-JAIR-a, or some hybrid, like gin-JAIR-a or JIN-ger-a?

And dare I ask about Ginini?

Thanks!

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So how do you say ‘Gingera’ anyway?
desertdreaming 6:59 pm 02 Apr 13

And what about Coree as in Mt Coree? I pronounced it corry, as in curry, but I was assured that it is pronounced “coh-REE” by someone who drove a 4wd (and therefore knows about such things)

poetix 6:09 pm 02 Apr 13

So, how do you say ‘Gingera’ anyway?

Gingerly, after this thread.

JimCharles 6:00 pm 02 Apr 13

Deref said :

M0les said :

PoQ said :

Don’t ask about Kaleen, spelt with an invisible “y”, either.

Kaleeny?!

My 2c worth…

It’s a word, in an Aboriginal tongue, for water. There used to be a ferry on Sydney harbour called “Kooleen”, and I reckon it was the same word. Spelling it’s just an attempt to represent the sound of the word using our alphabet, so neither of those really give you any idea of how it was pronounced. But “ka” or “koo” as the first syllable makes me think it must have been unstressed, so that both spellings might have been trying to represent a “k?” sound, so the stress was probably on the second syllable – k?LEEN.

I’m no linguist, cunning or otherwise, but there must be at least one here.

Tried that, without a Y it’s k-leen, similar to potcheen = p-cheen
But no, here it’s kayleen.

Don’t get me started on Weetangera. I was saying it weet-an-geera. But no, it’s wee-TAN-gurra.

I also can’t get why people pronounce Northbourne and Melbourne with a burn instead of born.
But Goulburn seems to have born at the end. I was wondering if it’s Scottish influenced.
Like most of English you can’t work it out by rules and get it right every time, you just have to learn the peculiarities and memorise them.

Ben_Dover 4:44 pm 02 Apr 13

PoQ said :

Don’t ask about Kaleen, spelt with an invisible “y”, either.

Kaleen is easy, they wrote a songabout it.

Do you remember, chalk hearts melting on a playground wall?
Do you remember, dawn escaped from moonwashed college halls?
Do you remember, the cherry blossom in the market square?
Do you remember, I thought it was confetti in our hair
By the way didn’t I break your heart?
Please excuse me, I never meant to break your heart.
So sorry I never meant to break your heart.
But you broke mine.

Kaleen is it too late to say I’m sorry.
Kaleen could we get it together again.
I can’t go on pretending that it came to a natural end.
Kaleen I never thought I’d miss you,
And Kaleen I’d hoped that we’d always be friends.
We said our love would last forever,
So how did it come to this bitter end.

Do you remember, barefoot on the lawn with shooting stars
Do you remember, loving on the floor in Belsize Park
Do you remember, dancing in stilletos in the snow
Do you remember, you never understood I had to go.
By the way, didn’t I break your heart ?
Please excuse me I never meant to break your heart
So sorry, I never meant to break your heart,
But you broke mine.

Kaleen, I just want to say I’m sorry,
But Kaleen I’m too scared to pick up the phone.
To find you’ve found another lover to patch up our broken home.
Kaleen, I’m still trying to write that love song,
Kaleen it’s more important to me now you’re gone.
Maybe it’ll prove that we were right
Or it will prove that I was wrong.

frontrow 4:11 pm 02 Apr 13

I have no knowledge of Aboriginal pronunciation.

Based on its English orthography I would suggest Kaleen rhymes with baleen. It has an invisible macron not an invisible y.

Jivrashia 4:02 pm 02 Apr 13

We’ll settle this once and for all.

How does the Queen pronounce it? (ref: Manuka 1954).

Deref 2:54 pm 02 Apr 13

M0les said :

PoQ said :

Don’t ask about Kaleen, spelt with an invisible “y”, either.

Kaleeny?!

My 2c worth…

It’s a word, in an Aboriginal tongue, for water. There used to be a ferry on Sydney harbour called “Kooleen”, and I reckon it was the same word. Spelling it’s just an attempt to represent the sound of the word using our alphabet, so neither of those really give you any idea of how it was pronounced. But “ka” or “koo” as the first syllable makes me think it must have been unstressed, so that both spellings might have been trying to represent a “k?” sound, so the stress was probably on the second syllable – k?LEEN.

I’m no linguist, cunning or otherwise, but there must be at least one here.

M0les 2:40 pm 02 Apr 13

AFAICR Gingera is Ginger + ah

Ginini has always been Gin + KNEE + knee in my memory.

johnboy 2:40 pm 02 Apr 13

Kay-Leeyn?

So it’s got two?

M0les 2:35 pm 02 Apr 13

PoQ said :

Don’t ask about Kaleen, spelt with an invisible “y”, either.

Kaleeny?!

plausibly_deniable 12:32 pm 02 Apr 13

+1 for jin-JAIR-ah, visible on the weekend from the end of the Square Rock walk, out from the Corin Dam road.

EvanJames 12:03 pm 02 Apr 13

2 post nutbag… but Jagungal is a whole nother issue. Is variously pronounced Ja-gung-gal, but older types also call it Jar-gan-ul. So there you go. You can see it from the top of Gingera, btw.

EvanJames 12:02 pm 02 Apr 13

Gingera is Ginger – ah. And ginini is Gin-ni-ni.

f4te 12:01 pm 02 Apr 13

We climbed it on the weekend as well, ’twas very beautiful! I think the consensus in our group (not knowing how to pronounce it either) was ‘jin-JAIR-a’.

PoQ 12:00 pm 02 Apr 13

Don’t ask about Kaleen, spelt with an invisible “y”, either.

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