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Summer road resealing

By johnboy - 16 September 2013 37

TAMS have put forth word of their plans to extend the dreaded chipseal:

With the weather warming up, the ACT Government today announced details of the 2013-14 road resealing program.

“Resealing of roads in Canberra is planned to start today on Boboyan Road,” Acting Director, Roads ACT, Ken Marshall, said.

“The resealing program, which is part of the ACT Government’s commitment to keeping our roads well maintained and safe, is particularly targeting those roads that have deteriorated as an inevitable consequence of ageing and trafficking.

“Resealing is designed to protect and extend the life of a road, while also improving its safety. As roads deteriorate with age and traffic use, small cracks appear in the surface which can allow water to penetrate and potholes to form. The annual resealing program covers about 85 kilometres of Canberra’s roads.”

Mr Marshall said a combination of resurfacing techniques will be used. Resealing roads with aggregate is used at a majority of sites as it ensures more of Canberra’s roads can be improved each year. The more costly asphalt resurfacing is done on highly stressed pavements such as intersections and roundabouts.

Work will be carried out by Downer Australia who are an experienced contractor using local employees .Roads ACT’s own crews will undertake asphalt patching repairs.

“The whole resealing program is expected to be complete in May 2014 with southside roads being done in the first half of the program,” Mr Marshall said.

The major roads to be resealed as part of the program include sections of Hindmarsh Drive, Melrose Drive, Monaro Highway Ginninderra Drive, Parkes Way and Canberra Avenue. Selected streets will also be resealed in suburbs including Deakin, Fisher, Lyons, Narrabundah, Yarralumla, Cook, Giralang and Kaleen.

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Summer road resealing
miz 6:26 pm 10 Oct 13

And perhaps we also need a post about which speed humps need maintenance. Top of my list is the top speed hump on Goyder St Narrabundah, where people actually veer into the turning lane to avoid the permanent pothole at the base of the hump.

Who do we sue for killing my car suspension?

Pork Hunt 6:19 pm 10 Oct 13

Snarky said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

And here I was thinking cyclists want to get OFF our roads. As for your suggested road tax, isn’t that already what registration is for and part of our fuel taxes?? I mean, rego is paid for by the weight of the vehicle, except for motorcycles who have to pay a whole load more per kilo and fuel excises are a massive intake of funds to the government.

Sorry, didn’t make myself clear here – the weight tax I’m proposing is IN ADDITION to the current rego fee. It seems only fair that road users should pay what it costs to have roads of the quality they want, doesn’t it?

I say go for it so us New South Welshmen can drive on your beautiful roads “for free”…

wildturkeycanoe 6:05 pm 10 Oct 13

JC said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

Chip seal is also useless, so why are they using it on Parkes Way, which hasn’t been even completed yet with a proper finish since the 3 lane expansion started? I’ve seen leftovers of chip seal used for fixing holes in footpaths and apart from not looking pretty, it doesn’t last very long at all under pedestrian traffic let alone thousands of tyres.

Where have they used it on Parkes Way? If you are talking about the connecting road from William Hovell Drive, then I am afraid chips seal isn’t the issue there, what is the issue is the shit base they put the chip seal on. This type of base is usually used for rural or temporary roads, never sure why they did it this way in the first place when other new parts of Glenloch interchange were done with hotmix.

If you are talking about Parkes Way proper, you may note the new lane is hot mix, and nothing has been done to the old, but yes it is chip seal. In an ideal world where money grew on trees and you could waste it willy nilly, then sure the exiting lanes maybe should have been resurfaced with hot mix, but reality is there is nothing, except for some minor maintenance wrong with those lanes.

I’m talking about the fact Parkes Way is on the list of roads to be re-done in chip seal, not that it has already been used.

Deref 4:01 pm 10 Oct 13

Oh good. I assume that means that they’ll be re-doing the botched jobs (like the Federal Highway) that they re-did last year to fix the botched jobs that they did the year before that.

Perhaps it’s time to invest in a chipseal company.

JC 3:46 pm 10 Oct 13

wildturkeycanoe said :

Chip seal is also useless, so why are they using it on Parkes Way, which hasn’t been even completed yet with a proper finish since the 3 lane expansion started? I’ve seen leftovers of chip seal used for fixing holes in footpaths and apart from not looking pretty, it doesn’t last very long at all under pedestrian traffic let alone thousands of tyres.

Where have they used it on Parkes Way? If you are talking about the connecting road from William Hovell Drive, then I am afraid chips seal isn’t the issue there, what is the issue is the shit base they put the chip seal on. This type of base is usually used for rural or temporary roads, never sure why they did it this way in the first place when other new parts of Glenloch interchange were done with hotmix.

If you are talking about Parkes Way proper, you may note the new lane is hot mix, and nothing has been done to the old, but yes it is chip seal. In an ideal world where money grew on trees and you could waste it willy nilly, then sure the exiting lanes maybe should have been resurfaced with hot mix, but reality is there is nothing, except for some minor maintenance wrong with those lanes.

Snarky 3:40 pm 10 Oct 13

wildturkeycanoe said :

And here I was thinking cyclists want to get OFF our roads. As for your suggested road tax, isn’t that already what registration is for and part of our fuel taxes?? I mean, rego is paid for by the weight of the vehicle, except for motorcycles who have to pay a whole load more per kilo and fuel excises are a massive intake of funds to the government.

Sorry, didn’t make myself clear here – the weight tax I’m proposing is IN ADDITION to the current rego fee. It seems only fair that road users should pay what it costs to have roads of the quality they want, doesn’t it?

wildturkeycanoe 3:28 pm 10 Oct 13

Snarky said :

Here’s a plan. Looking at some ABS stats, the ACT budget and Google we have the following info (there’s a fair bit of rounding up and down to nearest large numbers, but you’ll see where it’s going):

– there are 275,000 motor vehicles in the ACT, of which about 240,000 are passenger or non-commercial.
– an average passenger car weighs about 1250kg
– The TAMS total infrastructure maintenance budget is $155M
– Roads, bridges and other roady-things are about 20% of our infrastructure in $ terms
– An asphalt road lasts about 10 years. A chipseal road might last 5 years
– Chipseal is about a quarter the cost of asphalt, or, annualised, about half the cost because it only lasts half as long

So, currently the roads maintenance budget (not new roads, just maintenance) is about $155M x 20% = $31M and uses chipseal, mostly.
To use asphalt instead will cost about twice as much – lets say an extra $30M pa.

Where does the money come from? Lets say – road users. How do we measure this? Petrol consumption would be an ideal proxy, but that’s out of the ACT govs hands, so lets go with the road-destructive capacity of vehicle weight instead.

There’s about 360,000,000 kgs of passenger/non commercial wehicle tonnage on the roads, plus commercial and more – lets say 400,000,000 kg for the sake of argument. If we imposed a motor vehicle weight tax to raise the necessary $30M pa for road maintenance then that would equate to $0.075 per kg, or about $95 for an average car, or $1,500 for a 20 ton semi, or $1.15 for a 15kg pushbike.

I’d be happy to pay that per year to get decent roads.

And here I was thinking cyclists want to get OFF our roads. As for your suggested road tax, isn’t that already what registration is for and part of our fuel taxes?? I mean, rego is paid for by the weight of the vehicle, except for motorcycles who have to pay a whole load more per kilo and fuel excises are a massive intake of funds to the government.
And a “hear, hear” for tim_c. Why do they bother fixing all the potholes and then put in whopping big spoiler and sump smashers in their place? if a pothole 50mm deep can be used as an excuse for suing the government for damage to your car, why can’t the 50mm high speed bump be used in exactly the same fashion.
Chip seal is also useless, so why are they using it on Parkes Way, which hasn’t been even completed yet with a proper finish since the 3 lane expansion started? I’ve seen leftovers of chip seal used for fixing holes in footpaths and apart from not looking pretty, it doesn’t last very long at all under pedestrian traffic let alone thousands of tyres.

goody658 3:27 pm 10 Oct 13

Snarky said :

There’s about 360,000,000 kgs of passenger/non commercial wehicle tonnage on the roads, plus commercial and more – lets say 400,000,000 kg for the sake of argument. If we imposed a motor vehicle weight tax to raise the necessary $30M pa for road maintenance then that would equate to $0.075 per kg, or about $95 for an average car, or $1,500 for a 20 ton semi, or $1.15 for a 15kg pushbike.

I’d be happy to pay that per year to get decent roads.

I would to, it should make my 600cc bike a lot cheap than it its, How come its about the same as a car? Makes me sad.

tim_c 3:08 pm 10 Oct 13

Snarky said :

Here’s a plan. Looking at some ABS stats, the ACT budget and Google we have the following info (there’s a fair bit of rounding up and down to nearest large numbers, but you’ll see where it’s going):

– there are 275,000 motor vehicles in the ACT, of which about 240,000 are passenger or non-commercial.
– an average passenger car weighs about 1250kg
– The TAMS total infrastructure maintenance budget is $155M
– Roads, bridges and other roady-things are about 20% of our infrastructure in $ terms
– An asphalt road lasts about 10 years. A chipseal road might last 5 years
– Chipseal is about a quarter the cost of asphalt, or, annualised, about half the cost because it only lasts half as long

So, currently the roads maintenance budget (not new roads, just maintenance) is about $155M x 20% = $31M and uses chipseal, mostly.
To use asphalt instead will cost about twice as much – lets say an extra $30M pa.

Where does the money come from? Lets say – road users. How do we measure this? Petrol consumption would be an ideal proxy, but that’s out of the ACT govs hands, so lets go with the road-destructive capacity of vehicle weight instead.

There’s about 360,000,000 kgs of passenger/non commercial wehicle tonnage on the roads, plus commercial and more – lets say 400,000,000 kg for the sake of argument. If we imposed a motor vehicle weight tax to raise the necessary $30M pa for road maintenance then that would equate to $0.075 per kg, or about $95 for an average car, or $1,500 for a 20 ton semi, or $1.15 for a 15kg pushbike.

I’d be happy to pay that per year to get decent roads.

Does that mean fat drivers should pay more?! 🙂

Snarky 3:02 pm 10 Oct 13

Here’s a plan. Looking at some ABS stats, the ACT budget and Google we have the following info (there’s a fair bit of rounding up and down to nearest large numbers, but you’ll see where it’s going):

– there are 275,000 motor vehicles in the ACT, of which about 240,000 are passenger or non-commercial.
– an average passenger car weighs about 1250kg
– The TAMS total infrastructure maintenance budget is $155M
– Roads, bridges and other roady-things are about 20% of our infrastructure in $ terms
– An asphalt road lasts about 10 years. A chipseal road might last 5 years
– Chipseal is about a quarter the cost of asphalt, or, annualised, about half the cost because it only lasts half as long

So, currently the roads maintenance budget (not new roads, just maintenance) is about $155M x 20% = $31M and uses chipseal, mostly.
To use asphalt instead will cost about twice as much – lets say an extra $30M pa.

Where does the money come from? Lets say – road users. How do we measure this? Petrol consumption would be an ideal proxy, but that’s out of the ACT govs hands, so lets go with the road-destructive capacity of vehicle weight instead.

There’s about 360,000,000 kgs of passenger/non commercial wehicle tonnage on the roads, plus commercial and more – lets say 400,000,000 kg for the sake of argument. If we imposed a motor vehicle weight tax to raise the necessary $30M pa for road maintenance then that would equate to $0.075 per kg, or about $95 for an average car, or $1,500 for a 20 ton semi, or $1.15 for a 15kg pushbike.

I’d be happy to pay that per year to get decent roads.

tim_c 2:50 pm 10 Oct 13

I don’t know why they bother trying to fix roads in the ACT anyway – all Mr Rattenbury wants to do is wreck them all with lumps and bumps. Would it be achieving the same net result if they just let the cracks and pot holes form, rather than paying money to fix them, then paying more money to install inverted potholes to stuff it all up again?

magiccar9 1:45 pm 10 Oct 13

Excellent! Now I know where to avoid for the next 6 – 12 months.
When will TAMS pull their head out of their arse and realise that nobody wants their cheap, crappy ‘solutions’ for ‘fixing’ our roads.
I would actually prefer less roads to be repaired each year if it meant doing them properly.

460cixy 1:38 pm 10 Oct 13

Great. Hope it gets layed in the pissing rain like it did when they layed the chip seal in Grenville court its all gooooooone

goody658 1:17 pm 10 Oct 13

Yep its noisy as hell, I hate that little bump then roar of sub par road works. Were supposed to be the capital great impression you get as you enter the territory. It does quieten down a bit if you drive slower eg a lot slower, maybe that’s what they want everyone doing well, well below the limit.

It really does annoy me, its not even consistent some of the roads look like a bad patch work of constant repairing.

Jere13 12:13 pm 10 Oct 13

The stupid, it burns.

How the heck is laying down jagged, loose stones making the roads safer. In fact if you do any research, the bigger the stones are, the less road holding you get and the sones in our chipseal are a lot bigger than those I’ve seen used in NSW or overseas.

Then there is the noise. Does the tyre roar on the ACT side of the Federal Hwy annoy the hell out of anyone else?

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