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Summer road resealing

By johnboy - 16 September 2013 37

TAMS have put forth word of their plans to extend the dreaded chipseal:

With the weather warming up, the ACT Government today announced details of the 2013-14 road resealing program.

“Resealing of roads in Canberra is planned to start today on Boboyan Road,” Acting Director, Roads ACT, Ken Marshall, said.

“The resealing program, which is part of the ACT Government’s commitment to keeping our roads well maintained and safe, is particularly targeting those roads that have deteriorated as an inevitable consequence of ageing and trafficking.

“Resealing is designed to protect and extend the life of a road, while also improving its safety. As roads deteriorate with age and traffic use, small cracks appear in the surface which can allow water to penetrate and potholes to form. The annual resealing program covers about 85 kilometres of Canberra’s roads.”

Mr Marshall said a combination of resurfacing techniques will be used. Resealing roads with aggregate is used at a majority of sites as it ensures more of Canberra’s roads can be improved each year. The more costly asphalt resurfacing is done on highly stressed pavements such as intersections and roundabouts.

Work will be carried out by Downer Australia who are an experienced contractor using local employees .Roads ACT’s own crews will undertake asphalt patching repairs.

“The whole resealing program is expected to be complete in May 2014 with southside roads being done in the first half of the program,” Mr Marshall said.

The major roads to be resealed as part of the program include sections of Hindmarsh Drive, Melrose Drive, Monaro Highway Ginninderra Drive, Parkes Way and Canberra Avenue. Selected streets will also be resealed in suburbs including Deakin, Fisher, Lyons, Narrabundah, Yarralumla, Cook, Giralang and Kaleen.

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Jere13 12:55 pm 22 Oct 13

MightyJoe said :

Cowra, its got to be Cowra. Many a Cowra resident I’ve met over the years upon coming to Canberra have said that they were glad to be out of that hell hole.

Pork Hunt said :

LSWCHP said :

Jere13 said :

The stupid, it burns.

How the heck is laying down jagged, loose stones making the roads safer. In fact if you do any research, the bigger the stones are, the less road holding you get and the sones in our chipseal are a lot bigger than those I’ve seen used in NSW or overseas.

Then there is the noise. Does the tyre roar on the ACT side of the Federal Hwy annoy the hell out of anyone else?

Oh yeah.

When I came here in 1976 from rural NSW, you could tell when you crossed from NSW into the ACT because the roads, and lots of other things, suddenly became beautiful. It was like moving into some sort of advanced science fiction world, instead of the crappy primitive world of 70’s rural NSW.

Seriously, as a kid it was like going up to the Elysium space station from some awful rural hell.

Now? The situation is reversed in many ways. It’s bloody sad.

Geez LSWCHP, where in NSW is this rural hell you speak of?

I will admitt I laughed at his comment haha.

MightyJoe 2:45 pm 16 Oct 13

Cowra, its got to be Cowra. Many a Cowra resident I’ve met over the years upon coming to Canberra have said that they were glad to be out of that hell hole.

Pork Hunt said :

LSWCHP said :

Jere13 said :

The stupid, it burns.

How the heck is laying down jagged, loose stones making the roads safer. In fact if you do any research, the bigger the stones are, the less road holding you get and the sones in our chipseal are a lot bigger than those I’ve seen used in NSW or overseas.

Then there is the noise. Does the tyre roar on the ACT side of the Federal Hwy annoy the hell out of anyone else?

Oh yeah.

When I came here in 1976 from rural NSW, you could tell when you crossed from NSW into the ACT because the roads, and lots of other things, suddenly became beautiful. It was like moving into some sort of advanced science fiction world, instead of the crappy primitive world of 70’s rural NSW.

Seriously, as a kid it was like going up to the Elysium space station from some awful rural hell.

Now? The situation is reversed in many ways. It’s bloody sad.

Geez LSWCHP, where in NSW is this rural hell you speak of?

JC 2:26 pm 16 Oct 13

Jere13 said :

Yeah mate, I agree that plenty of rural roads are pretty bad in NSW, the point I’m making though is that the same crap is used in inner-city Canberra.

For exactly the same reason, money is finite and the underlying road surface has not degraded to the point of complete replacement. (unlike what happens on main roads in Sydney for example that get pounded day in day out by heavy vehicles in particular). Not the best for sure, but would love to see what you would give up to pave every road with gold.

Jere13 12:49 pm 16 Oct 13

JC said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

The Gocup Road between Gundagai and Tumut has been one of the state’s most run down roads for the last 20 years or more. It carries b-double trucks all day and has always been in a state of repair. At one stage, they reduced the speed limit to 60km/h for a stretch, because the road was too unsafe to travel at the normal speed of 100. Guess what, no hot mix there. It is a patch and repair chip seal by the local councils and if you didn’t have a 4×4, visiting Tumut was quite an adventure. Sure did your suspension no good either. Thankfully, they have just scored $11million to upgrade it by the Feds. I’ll let you know if they use cheap seal.
I totally agree with LSWCHP, back in the day I remember that eerie silence as you crossed the border, wondering what kind of fantasy land this Canberra was. Smooth as a baby’s behind were the roads, compared to the growl of the Barton Highway. They dropped the ball and let these futuristic pathways deteriorate into old wrecks that require constant maintenance.

Very common story (so see Jere13 not all NSW roads are better than Canberra), same too with the road from Yass to Cowra, plus most of the other secondary roads linking the towns in the region. The roads would have been built with hot mix at some point and resealed, but maybe not often enough for them to break up like they do, but sad fact, same here in Canberra there is only so much money to go around.

I still laugh though about the comments about how the roads in the ACT used to be. As I have said before, I can remember cheap seal being used as far back as the early 80’s. As a kid back then I loved it when they did my suburban street, as it was good for skids on my BMX.

Maybe back then the main roads they resealed with hotmix, but certainly not the suburban streets and streets like Florey Drive in Macgregor.

Yeah mate, I agree that plenty of rural roads are pretty bad in NSW, the point I’m making though is that the same crap is used in inner-city Canberra.

Jere13 12:46 pm 16 Oct 13

JC said :

Jere13 said :

Yes but the seal used in NSW is vastly superior. They tend to use a smaller aggregate and in many cases use a double seal with smaller stones on the top layer to reduce noise and improve stone retention. I’ve seen nothing but single layer seals in the ACT.

Wow what a sweeping generalisation. Now you do realise in NSW the RMS (old RTA) basically do the maintenance of main roads and that individual councils do maintenance on suburban roads?
The bulk of the cheapseal you will find in NSW is either on low volume highways, maintained by the RMS and the suburban streets maintained by councils, and each one will be different. So where in NSW are you talking about? Not Jerra by any chance, if so the irony is the roads in Jerra were built as sealed roads from day dot, but yes they do have a larger aggregate which is also much noisier than some of the Canberra roads, which depending upon road type use different standards of aggregate.

It is a generalisation obviously, but from my experience in the Ilawarra region, most of the roads are asphalt and the few that are spray sealed seem to be of a smaller aggregate that are quieter and seem to have vastly better stone retention. Have you seen the chip in Phillip? It’s almost all gone and there were loose stones everywhere.

I think it’s strange you’re defending the ACT’s roads when it is so obvious that we as a capital city have 90% of our roads (quote from the hansard) covered in Chipseal.

JC 10:01 am 14 Oct 13

wildturkeycanoe said :

The Gocup Road between Gundagai and Tumut has been one of the state’s most run down roads for the last 20 years or more. It carries b-double trucks all day and has always been in a state of repair. At one stage, they reduced the speed limit to 60km/h for a stretch, because the road was too unsafe to travel at the normal speed of 100. Guess what, no hot mix there. It is a patch and repair chip seal by the local councils and if you didn’t have a 4×4, visiting Tumut was quite an adventure. Sure did your suspension no good either. Thankfully, they have just scored $11million to upgrade it by the Feds. I’ll let you know if they use cheap seal.
I totally agree with LSWCHP, back in the day I remember that eerie silence as you crossed the border, wondering what kind of fantasy land this Canberra was. Smooth as a baby’s behind were the roads, compared to the growl of the Barton Highway. They dropped the ball and let these futuristic pathways deteriorate into old wrecks that require constant maintenance.

Very common story (so see Jere13 not all NSW roads are better than Canberra), same too with the road from Yass to Cowra, plus most of the other secondary roads linking the towns in the region. The roads would have been built with hot mix at some point and resealed, but maybe not often enough for them to break up like they do, but sad fact, same here in Canberra there is only so much money to go around.

I still laugh though about the comments about how the roads in the ACT used to be. As I have said before, I can remember cheap seal being used as far back as the early 80’s. As a kid back then I loved it when they did my suburban street, as it was good for skids on my BMX.

Maybe back then the main roads they resealed with hotmix, but certainly not the suburban streets and streets like Florey Drive in Macgregor.

wildturkeycanoe 6:30 am 14 Oct 13

JC said :

Jere13 said :

Yes but the seal used in NSW is vastly superior. They tend to use a smaller aggregate and in many cases use a double seal with smaller stones on the top layer to reduce noise and improve stone retention. I’ve seen nothing but single layer seals in the ACT.

Wow what a sweeping generalisation. Now you do realise in NSW the RMS (old RTA) basically do the maintenance of main roads and that individual councils do maintenance on suburban roads?
The bulk of the cheapseal you will find in NSW is either on low volume highways, maintained by the RMS and the suburban streets maintained by councils, and each one will be different. So where in NSW are you talking about? Not Jerra by any chance, if so the irony is the roads in Jerra were built as sealed roads from day dot, but yes they do have a larger aggregate which is also much noisier than some of the Canberra roads, which depending upon road type use different standards of aggregate.

The Gocup Road between Gundagai and Tumut has been one of the state’s most run down roads for the last 20 years or more. It carries b-double trucks all day and has always been in a state of repair. At one stage, they reduced the speed limit to 60km/h for a stretch, because the road was too unsafe to travel at the normal speed of 100. Guess what, no hot mix there. It is a patch and repair chip seal by the local councils and if you didn’t have a 4×4, visiting Tumut was quite an adventure. Sure did your suspension no good either. Thankfully, they have just scored $11million to upgrade it by the Feds. I’ll let you know if they use cheap seal.
I totally agree with LSWCHP, back in the day I remember that eerie silence as you crossed the border, wondering what kind of fantasy land this Canberra was. Smooth as a baby’s behind were the roads, compared to the growl of the Barton Highway. They dropped the ball and let these futuristic pathways deteriorate into old wrecks that require constant maintenance.

JC 12:17 pm 13 Oct 13

Jere13 said :

Yes but the seal used in NSW is vastly superior. They tend to use a smaller aggregate and in many cases use a double seal with smaller stones on the top layer to reduce noise and improve stone retention. I’ve seen nothing but single layer seals in the ACT.

Wow what a sweeping generalisation. Now you do realise in NSW the RMS (old RTA) basically do the maintenance of main roads and that individual councils do maintenance on suburban roads?
The bulk of the cheapseal you will find in NSW is either on low volume highways, maintained by the RMS and the suburban streets maintained by councils, and each one will be different. So where in NSW are you talking about? Not Jerra by any chance, if so the irony is the roads in Jerra were built as sealed roads from day dot, but yes they do have a larger aggregate which is also much noisier than some of the Canberra roads, which depending upon road type use different standards of aggregate.

TP 3000 7:46 pm 12 Oct 13

gooterz said :

If anything they should make it 3 lanes each way to reduce accidents and spread out the wear.

It’s a pity that Defence Housing has taken up part of the land reserved for the 4 lanes each way carriageway.

Jere13 9:49 am 12 Oct 13

JC said :

Jere13 said :

So I guess all the cars in Canberra will soon look like something from Mad Max with stone chips everywhere. We would need to make it an environmental issue rather than a community amenity issue for Rattenbury to care.

Why soon? This method of resealing has been used here for at least 30 years that I know of, my bet is a lot more. It is also something that is done in every other state, so again not something unique to Canberra. Even in Sydney they use it, though of course you won’t see it on main roads, because the traffic volumes they see mean hot mix is the only way to go because the surface becomes so deformed, here at least the surface is generally ok, hence why you see it on main roads as well as suburban roads.

Yes but the seal used in NSW is vastly superior. They tend to use a smaller aggregate and in many cases use a double seal with smaller stones on the top layer to reduce noise and improve stone retention. I’ve seen nothing but single layer seals in the ACT.

Jere13 9:46 am 12 Oct 13

LSWCHP said :

Jere13 said :

The stupid, it burns.

How the heck is laying down jagged, loose stones making the roads safer. In fact if you do any research, the bigger the stones are, the less road holding you get and the sones in our chipseal are a lot bigger than those I’ve seen used in NSW or overseas.

Then there is the noise. Does the tyre roar on the ACT side of the Federal Hwy annoy the hell out of anyone else?

Oh yeah.

When I came here in 1976 from rural NSW, you could tell when you crossed from NSW into the ACT because the roads, and lots of other things, suddenly became beautiful. It was like moving into some sort of advanced science fiction world, instead of the crappy primitive world of 70’s rural NSW.

Seriously, as a kid it was like going up to the Elysium space station from some awful rural hell.

Now? The situation is reversed in many ways. It’s bloody sad.

That’s how I felt as well. Canberra was a futuristic city that amazed me. Now we really are the bush capital with the roads of a rural town.

magiccar9 9:21 am 12 Oct 13

JC said :

…here at least the surface is generally ok, hence why you see it on main roads as well as suburban roads.

What fantasy world are you living in? Or do you not drive your car around Canberra? The road seal is horrendous on almost every main road (in one patch or another) and yet they focus on small insignificant roads each year.
+1 for the Parkway – someone is going to have a serious crash from those patches one day….

Pork Hunt 9:06 am 12 Oct 13

gooterz said :

30million is nothing compared with the cost of road deaths.

The parkway needs serious redoing, there are too many toboggan channels in the bloody thing.

If anything they should make it 3 lanes each way to reduce accidents and spread out the wear.

You notice all the wear occurs where people are breaking, funny that’s because the roads are too congested.

I’d say most road wear is done during peak hour and in winter by rain.

No point in adding the extra lanes to the left hand side of the carriageway, no one would use them.

Pork Hunt 9:03 am 12 Oct 13

LSWCHP said :

Jere13 said :

The stupid, it burns.

How the heck is laying down jagged, loose stones making the roads safer. In fact if you do any research, the bigger the stones are, the less road holding you get and the sones in our chipseal are a lot bigger than those I’ve seen used in NSW or overseas.

Then there is the noise. Does the tyre roar on the ACT side of the Federal Hwy annoy the hell out of anyone else?

Oh yeah.

When I came here in 1976 from rural NSW, you could tell when you crossed from NSW into the ACT because the roads, and lots of other things, suddenly became beautiful. It was like moving into some sort of advanced science fiction world, instead of the crappy primitive world of 70’s rural NSW.

Seriously, as a kid it was like going up to the Elysium space station from some awful rural hell.

Now? The situation is reversed in many ways. It’s bloody sad.

Geez LSWCHP, where in NSW is this rural hell you speak of?

gooterz 12:07 am 12 Oct 13

30million is nothing compared with the cost of road deaths.

The parkway needs serious redoing, there are too many toboggan channels in the bloody thing.

If anything they should make it 3 lanes each way to reduce accidents and spread out the wear.

You notice all the wear occurs where people are breaking, funny that’s because the roads are too congested.

I’d say most road wear is done during peak hour and in winter by rain.

TP 3000 11:44 pm 11 Oct 13

What is this, the same stretch of Adelaide Avenue won’t get its (what seems to be) yearly resurfacing.

LSWCHP 8:24 pm 11 Oct 13

Jere13 said :

The stupid, it burns.

How the heck is laying down jagged, loose stones making the roads safer. In fact if you do any research, the bigger the stones are, the less road holding you get and the sones in our chipseal are a lot bigger than those I’ve seen used in NSW or overseas.

Then there is the noise. Does the tyre roar on the ACT side of the Federal Hwy annoy the hell out of anyone else?

Oh yeah.

When I came here in 1976 from rural NSW, you could tell when you crossed from NSW into the ACT because the roads, and lots of other things, suddenly became beautiful. It was like moving into some sort of advanced science fiction world, instead of the crappy primitive world of 70’s rural NSW.

Seriously, as a kid it was like going up to the Elysium space station from some awful rural hell.

Now? The situation is reversed in many ways. It’s bloody sad.

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