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The cost of green paint

By johnboy - 29 June 2009 34

Alistair Coe is feeling vindicated today having discovered that the green paint being used to make on road cycle paths is ferociously expensive:

    One of the very Questions on Notice the Chief Minister lambasted as ‘frivolous’, has revealed it costs 14 times more to paint a green bike lane than the cost of the bitumen underneath, Alistair Coe, Shadow Minister for TAMS, said today.

    The average cost of green lane marking is $100 per square metre. This is in stark contrast to the average cost of $6.76 per square metre for ‘chip seal’.

    “Mr Stanhope anointed himself the ‘mayor of Canberra’ when he took over the TAMS portfolio after the last election. Unfortunately he seems to have trivialised his own Territory and Municipal responsibilities,” Mr Coe said.

    “In a whingeing media release on the 10th June, the Chief Minister said the Opposition’s questions were nothing more than a ‘wild fishing expedition’ and were a ‘deliberate attempt to distract the Government and the public service from our real work’.

It did seem like a poorly judged example of frivolity from the Chief Minister at the time.

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34 Responses to
The cost of green paint
johnboy 1:08 pm 29 Jun 09

farq said :

johnboy said :

1) 90% of health funds are spent on the last six months of life.

Got a source for that stat johnboy?

Nothing I can link to but numerous health bureaucrats have confirmed it to me.

Skidbladnir 1:05 pm 29 Jun 09

Well no, if you’re going to try and express policy in terms of “I haven’t done the hard calculations, but it seems like a nice idea and I’m getting a vibe that there will be savings somewhere, so will start advocating about how wonderful it will be now. Let the hamtouching freaks of RiotACT do the numbers and get back to me.”, your policy is in deep trouble when it comes to Estimates.

If you’re using an ‘average’ value for contributions to economic value and applying it to the whole population, your modelling is stuffed. Some people are more equal than others.
(ie: The Sultan of Brunei walks into a bar, and suddenly the average net worth of the patrons has increased by a few million dollars.)

farq 1:00 pm 29 Jun 09

johnboy said :

1) 90% of health funds are spent on the last six months of life.

Got a source for that stat johnboy?

johnboy 12:52 pm 29 Jun 09

Two things:

1) 90% of health funds are spent on the last six months of life.

2) We all die.

These so called cost saving numbers are a very dodgy basis for public policy.

sepi 12:47 pm 29 Jun 09

Also the costs of injuries would be huge. In the paper on the weekend they quoted the cost of heart attacks at 200 thousand, for health treatment. I was amazed.

Jivrashia 12:41 pm 29 Jun 09

Snarky said :

Not commenting on practicality or efficacy, but impressed with the ingenuity and thought.

Ahh… yes… Ingenious. I’ll give you that, but not much more. 😉

Skidbladnir said :

So shouldn’t it be weighed up against actuarial-calculated risk reduction and associated decrease in CTP premiums, rather than ‘total expense of compensation’?

I’ll leave the complicated calculation to you… But I am willing to bet that one dead cyclist will nullify any cost benefit. Rought stat: GDP=$1trill, employed=10mill, single person avg. contrib. to GDP = $100,000, over their remaining working life (e.g. 20yrs) = $2mill.

housebound 12:30 pm 29 Jun 09

Snarky said :

… and just to show that there are others out there thinking about the problem of cyclists, safety and cycle lanes have a squiz at this.

BYO cycle paths – whatever will they think of next.

peterh 12:00 pm 29 Jun 09

Skidbladnir said :

Dammit, Watergate was not about water.
(Whatever)-gate is just lazy reporting.

and very funny.

why doesn’t tams use a green dyed material like rubber to create a permanent surface for these areas, similar to softfall used in children’s playgrounds? if it was concrete, it would be dangerous. paint possibly is dangerous as well, as it would create a smooth area that would be a nightmare for cyclists and drivers alike. Perhaps Tams should look at a far more durable surface that doesn’t flake or peel off and is able to handle cold and hot weather? if it costs $100 to repaint, wouldn’t there be better and cheaper solutions?

Skidbladnir 11:56 am 29 Jun 09

RE: burden on the economy due to vehicle-related injury, isn’t that the point of CTP?
Your greenslip:
Provides for compensation for people killed or injured in a motor vehicle accident. This includes pedestrians, passengers, cyclists, motorcyclists and drivers of other vehicles.

So shouldn’t it be weighed up against actuarial-calculated risk reduction and associated decrease in CTP premiums, rather than ‘total expense of compensation’?

Snarky 11:49 am 29 Jun 09

… and just to show that there are others out there thinking about the problem of cyclists, safety and cycle lanes have a squiz at this. Not commenting on practicality or efficacy, but impressed with the ingenuity and thought.

taco 11:46 am 29 Jun 09

Chip seal of course being the cheapest road surface to put down – how does it compare in cost to other, better road surfaces?
Where they re-seal the road in 5 years because chip-seal sucks, will they need to redo the “green paint”, or just do the car lanes as per usual?

How many square meters is needed for the average bike lane? 50 square meters? $5000 is a drop in the bucket for road works isn’t it?

I’d more be asking if they are effective in providing the safety they aim to produce. If it is, then I’d say $5000 is being spent well if it’s saving lives. (preview edit, beaten to my point already)

Jivrashia 11:41 am 29 Jun 09

On a serious note…

I guess the question is whether these green painted cycling lane serves its purpose e.g. whether it saves lives of cyclists.

These green paints are a saviour, especially when located at a leadup to an intersection. Some motorists forget that there is a cycling lane and do not look in their side mirror for a cyclist, and the green paint that stands out is a good reminder. Of course, given that green paint is quite expensive, if there is a cheaper alternative with the same effect then it should be considered. But green paint shouldn’t just be disregarded because it is expensive, as a serious injury to cyclist, or even death, would be a much more burden on the Canberra economy (after the fact that it would be tragic to all involved).

Skidbladnir 11:22 am 29 Jun 09

Dammit, Watergate was not about water.
(Whatever)-gate is just lazy reporting.

Wraith 11:15 am 29 Jun 09

Get Grech involved, then it will be…………..

phototext 11:12 am 29 Jun 09

Is it worthy of being a gate yet.

Paintgate….tamsgate… greengate ?

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