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The Hughes Shooting

By johnboy 12 May 2010 81

[First filed: May 10, 2010 @ 10:22]

Hughes crime scene

Following on from the news in today’s police wrap “fgzk” has sent in the above pic and the following report:

Police are searching drains along Denison st, Deakin West. This drain has been taped off and a forensic technician with a bag is waiting. When asked by a television reporter if this is connected to the Hughes shooting he replied. ” we don’t know yet. We have nothing.” The Television reporter then said that is the reply he expected as the police never give out information at the scene.

The ABC also has more.

UPDATE: The AFP have provided an update it seems that information relating the investigation has lead to a gun being seized on Denison St in Deakin. The victim also appears to have been executed while sitting in his car on Whittle St in Hughes at 12.30am.

FURTHER UPDATE: The Canberra Times is now describing the killing as the work of a “hitman”, and a planned murder.

The picture is also worth a look. Any gun nerds want to speculate as to what sort of round would have put that ding in the door frame?

Not to be missed comment: In the comments “troll-sniffer” has come to the bottom of the matter:

#21
troll-sniffer
(Anarchist)
09:22, 11 May 10

They won’t catch Mully now he’s back from the dead, evening up old scores. This latest victim once called Mully a tool from the other side of a busy road. If you ever crossed Mully be very afraid.

One more update for the road: The Canberra Times is naming the victim as one Brendan Scott Welsh, 28.

Mr Welsh, recently of Watson, had some children (number unknown) and was in court last month for the usual string of driving offences (negligent, unlicensed, etc).

It’s also suggested that Whittle Street has been a popular spot for drug deals, although one imagines it will be less popular now.

What’s Your opinion?


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BimboGeek 10:32 am 20 May 10

Griffie, the Lake Burley Griffin monster! He’s collecting guns and taking over Canberra’s criminal gangs. Soon he’ll be the godfather of crime, living in his underwater lair and venturing into our streets at midnight to sell drugs and have dirty gay sex.

James-T-Kirk 11:15 am 19 May 10

Avy said :

You know Counterstrike isn’t real life, right?

What?

What??????

No…….

Avy 11:37 am 17 May 10

dannybear said :

dannybear said :

Looks like a hollow point (to do more damage) .45 APC round shot from a handgun

.45 acp is one of the most used handgun calibers even glock makes .45 handguns
.45 is usually used when you want to kill the person your shooting and not just disable them

I see. And you obviously know all this from the exacting photos on the Canberra Times website, combined with your extensive ballistics experience?

You know Counterstrike isn’t real life, right?

Spideydog 10:06 am 17 May 10

CraigT said :

The thing I want to know is this – if it turned out the weapon used in this crime was the same weapon used to kill Colin Winchester – would the Police ever tell us?

Or perhaps that particular weapon has already turned up and been safely disposed-of?

WOW, I suspect someone has an unhealthy obsession with Colin Winchester conspiracies !!!! Thats a couple of C.W. comments in two separate threads, within a couple of days.

p1 10:02 am 17 May 10

I’ll play the Devil’s advocate and guess that it was “The Volvo of handguns” either a Glock 22 (.40 S&W) or a Glock 21 (45 ACP) maybe “lost” by the police. I’m probably wrong.

I the majority of Australian Police had the Glock in 9mm? Guess I shouldn’t believe everything on the intertubes after all.

DBCooper 11:53 pm 16 May 10

“Wow, interesting rant. So what type of round do think/know made that hole then? I am quite curious as it seems that you imply to know something that we do not and at the same time seem like a 16 year old who knows everything. Albeit we are going off a photo taken at a distance and at an angle so any further information would be greatly received.”

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DB Cooper said-

I’m not a ballistics expert. In fact I’m unemployed. I don’t know anything more than what I read in the two posts here……….. However I do consider myself sufficiently qualified to make an expert assessment based on my many years of experience in watching cable television programming and countless hours of surfing the interweb and believing every F**king word of it. If it’s on the internets it has to be true. (these tubes don’t lie! friend)

I grew up (not in Aus) shooting all types of guns just for fun and on the off chance that if a dozen or so Zombies simultaneously broke into my house it affords one the luxury and flexibility of having a “Plan B”. That being said I can’t say I have ever shot into a car. That’s prolly a good thing.

When I said “45ACP .410 slug I have to call Bullshit” This was more of a segway into my theory that a Cyborg firing a Plasma rifle might have been responsible.

One OO Buckshot pellet could have been a flyer (max of 5 pellets in each shell) but I don’t think so. The pellets could have damaged the other side of the car not seen in the picture thus explaining the “bullet riddled” newspaper description. But sometimes the police release intentionally incorrect details to the public in order to see who was actually there….test false confessions etc.

I’ll play the Devil’s advocate and guess that it was “The Volvo of handguns” either a Glock 22 (.40 S&W) or a Glock 21 (45 ACP) maybe “lost” by the police. I’m probably wrong.

PBO 1:18 pm 15 May 10

DBCooper said :

“Seeing as we have so many experts gathered I was wondering if forensically a shot gun can linked to a projectile.”

Shotgun projectiles (excluding a slug fired out of a rifled barrel “slug-gun”)are sterile as most shotguns are smoothbore.BUT shell casings can be linked to the weapon through firing pin marks and around three years ago? a new technique can be used to get latent fingerprints off of shell casings many years old “EVEN if the person wipes the prints away” No shit?……TRUE.Shotshells are plastic but the base is brass and if your foolish enough to handle any type of ammunition without wearing rubber gloves, if shell casings are left around your handiwork, there is a very real chance that your fingerprints will be recovered. Something to think about when your representing yo hood in Canberra ….THUG LIFE ACT BABY…yall better ax somebody…..fo real for real…….; ) JK

.45 ACP, .410 Slug? I have to call Bullshit!

Wow, interesting rant. So what type of round do think/know made that hole then? I am quite curious as it seems that you imply to know something that we do not and at the same time seem like a 16 year old who knows everything. Albeit we are going off a photo taken at a distance and at an angle so any further information would be greatly recieved.

DBCooper 6:14 pm 14 May 10

“Seeing as we have so many experts gathered I was wondering if forensically a shot gun can linked to a projectile.”

Shotgun projectiles (excluding a slug fired out of a rifled barrel “slug-gun”)are sterile as most shotguns are smoothbore.BUT shell casings can be linked to the weapon through firing pin marks and around three years ago? a new technique can be used to get latent fingerprints off of shell casings many years old “EVEN if the person wipes the prints away” No shit?……TRUE.Shotshells are plastic but the base is brass and if your foolish enough to handle any type of ammunition without wearing rubber gloves, if shell casings are left around your handiwork, there is a very real chance that your fingerprints will be recovered. Something to think about when your representing yo hood in Canberra ….THUG LIFE ACT BABY…yall better ax somebody…..fo real for real…….; ) JK

.45 ACP, .410 Slug? I have to call Bullshit!

The weapon was obviously a Phased Plasma Rifle in the 40 Watt range. The killer? a cybernetic organism or “Terminator” sent back in time to retroactively adjust an individual who would have proved problematic many years from now…..seriously though hopefully this bumbling “Hitman” didn’t kill anyone who didn’t have it coming. Even if they did it’s still a shame. Live and let live I say

Wraith 4:59 pm 14 May 10

I’m betting the weapon was an 88 magnum, it shoots through schools………

PBO 11:58 am 13 May 10

fgzk said :

Seeing as we have so many experts gathered I was wondering if forensically a shot gun can linked to a projectile.

PBO “This makes the certificate pretty worthless but interesting at the same time and shows that the Police will lie on paper to suit their own needs.”

Hand guns where also popping up at gun dealers that had destruction certificates. But shame on you for having the gall to question the veracity of the police. I’m surprised they didn’t follow you down the street for an attitude readjustment.

Thats how Martin Bryant got some of his weapons, but thats off the point.

Forensically(?) you can do “some” testing on a shotgun but generally the nature of the round and the barrel (rifled barrel or smooth) determines whether or not it can be linked. If a solid round was fired through the a rifled barrel, then possibly yes but if it was scattershot through a smooth barrel, then no.

p1 11:19 am 13 May 10

I think it is pretty clear he was killed with a Mully-nator.

fgzk 10:56 am 13 May 10

Seeing as we have so many experts gathered I was wondering if forensically a shot gun can linked to a projectile.

PBO “This makes the certificate pretty worthless but interesting at the same time and shows that the Police will lie on paper to suit their own needs.”

Hand guns where also popping up at gun dealers that had destruction certificates. But shame on you for having the gall to question the veracity of the police. I’m surprised they didn’t follow you down the street for an attitude readjustment.

georgesgenitals 10:32 am 13 May 10

PBO said :

georgesgenitals said :

Definitely a .577 Nitro Express.

Hmmmm, maybe not. That type of round will knock a full grown man off his feet and seeing as it was a twenty year old man (possibly a druggie) firing off two shots in succession he would have been knocked off his feet and the round would have gone through the car. Also, the sound would have been two explosions rather than two shots. And ammunition for that is quite scarce. Who knows, if it was that type of round then the victim did not really stand a chance at all.

That was kinda why I said it – I thought it would amuse people. The .577 was often used by ivory hunters, and packs quite a punch.

PBO 10:25 am 13 May 10

BimboGeek said :

After reading all this discussion I’m discovering that the entire ACT is full of gun nuts! I hope none of you guys also take drugs.

Generally not at the same time as playing with guns, thats irresponsible.

BimboGeek 10:09 am 13 May 10

After reading all this discussion I’m discovering that the entire ACT is full of gun nuts! I hope none of you guys also take drugs.

PBO 9:48 am 13 May 10

ProudTenant said :

PBO said :

I love how the Canberra Times are saying that the car is bullet ridden when there was only two shots fired. To me bullet ridden is more than two bullets.

A shotgun can fire two shots but leave over 700 dents. They are the little ball bearing that make up that particular type of bullet.

But the photo indicates that it was not scattershot as there was not any surrounding damage other than the single hole in the door frame and the hole in the victim.

georgesgenitals said :

PBO said :

Now…. who bet on what weapon?

I bet a 0.410 shotgun firing a solid round.

Definitely a .577 Nitro Express.

Hmmmm, maybe not. That type of round will knock a full grown man off his feet and seeing as it was a twenty year old man (possibly a druggie) firing off two shots in succession he would have been knocked off his feet and the round would have gone through the car. Also, the sound would have been two explosions rather than two shots. And ammunition for that is quite scarce. Who knows, if it was that type of round then the victim did not really stand a chance at all.

CraigT said :

The thing I want to know is this – if it turned out the weapon used in this crime was the same weapon used to kill Colin Winchester – would the Police ever tell us?

Or perhaps that particular weapon has already turned up and been safely disposed-of?

The Police would not tell you at all, in fact, my fathers shotgun which was handed into ACT police during the buyback is currently residing in the police college in Weston even though we have the certificate of destruction. When we questioned them about this they could not give an answer other than it was the only one of its type in Australia and they needed it for reference. This makes the certificate pretty worthless but interesting at the same time and shows that the Police will lie on paper to suit their own needs.

georgesgenitals 9:32 am 13 May 10

PBO said :

Now…. who bet on what weapon?

I bet a 0.410 shotgun firing a solid round.

Definitely a .577 Nitro Express.

PBO 8:45 am 13 May 10

Well, it appears the Police have caught their man and the case may seem to be closed and we may be able to find out what was shot aside from the victim.

Now…. who bet on what weapon?

I bet a 0.410 shotgun firing a solid round.

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