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The lies of the crazy gang. Things we can learn from the Convoy

By johnboy - 23 August 2011 97

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Yesterday it was exciting to see Australia had not in fact gone mad and that angry convoys demanding an end to consitutional democracy have not yet reached a point where normal Australians are willing to join them.

That ~20 people were bravely willing to get up early on Monday morning, on short notice, to ride into town from the Dickson Motor Registry in opposition to the convoy, thinking they’d be dicing with thousands of big rigs, blew me away.

The absence of big rigs was even more surprising after the convoy organisers had promised “the biggest people protest of all time”.

As we reported last week the whole convoy fiasco was the work of a small group of deeply dishonest people.

The saddest thing is that small numbers of decent and much put upon people believed the lies and signed up for this failed crusade.

But (at the risk of invoking Godwin’s law) Hitler looked pretty silly in 1923 after the Beer Hall Putsch (seriously go have a read of that the similarity of tone will startle you).

So we’re going to make sure everyone is clear about the blatant lies being told to people who weren’t actually here.

The biggest untruth of all is Alan Jones in the video above (around 1:50).

Remember this.

Here’s a broadcaster that many people take seriously, that 2CC in Canberra re-broadcasts, inventing a “Lost Convoy” to make up for more bicycles turning out to oppose his rally than trucks could be found to support it.

Thousands of trucks stretching kilometres captured by Police.

Pix or it didn’t happen.

We’re supposed to believe that thousands of trucks were stopped and nobody was able to get a picture of the process on their phone? Nothing on Twitter?

We’re supposed to believe they’ve been held incommunicado since?

Perhaps it might be easier to believe that the organisers are liars and that they have very little support?

Another one going around nut central is that the trucks parked on State Circle were ticketed. Our sources tell us it was in fact Sinsations leafletting.

And then there was the online polls of 2CC and the Canberra Times showing that even the people of Canberra were in favour of the convoy.

Oh wait.

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Here’s one example of the international climate denial network jumping in to confect the appearance of support.

I’m not enormously keen for the carbon tax, I’m even un-impressed by greenhouse enthusiasts efforts to write the medieval warm period out of the historical record.

But I’m even less impressed by bald faced lies from people with poorly understood motives.

Anthony Albanese’s smirk makes me want to punch him in the face, but this mob were worse (if for nothing else giving Albo reason to smirk).

So remember yesterday and what really took place; because the mythmakers would have you believe it never happened.

Also a few Members of Parliament have been listed on Just Grounds as being in support of yesterday’s failed convoy:

    — George Christensen MP, Federal Member for Dawson
    — Craig Kelly, Federal Member for Hughes

Bear in mind, given the Just Grounds serial dishonesty, it could be they made up the messages of support.

Some names from Just Grounds to watch for popping up in future:

    — Cate Stuart,
    — Julene Haack,
    — Matt Thompson,
    — Janet Thompson,
    — Anna Hetherington-Grego,
    — Mick Pattel,
    — Julie Coker-Godson

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The lies of the crazy gang. Things we can learn from the Convoy
johnboy 3:34 pm 23 Aug 11

Daryl1,

We generally don’t report on protests at parliament house that have lawful goals, as we are a local news website and out of towners protesting to other out of towners is outside our scope.

This protest with it’s demand for the extra-constitutional removal of the government and published intention to “hold the city in gridlock until the Government, its supporters or the Governor-General agree to a new election”, warranted different treatment.

creative_canberran 3:34 pm 23 Aug 11

Daryl1 said :

Hi Johnboy,

I have been a long term reader of riot act, and decided to join now and post. I have to argue that you particulary have had an agenda to pursue this issue – Some points I agree with you with. Some I don’t. But I have been disguisted with the level of debate on here, with fellow posters language and name calling.

Remember last week? All these complaints on here about the convoy of inconvienience. They were called rednecks, idiots – all these names under the sun. My question to you is did you actually go and to this rally? Did you meet and speak to these people?

I did. Yes you can say the event was a fizzer, but I spoke to 10+ different people from all over Australia. I heard their stories and why they came. This event is being made out that the protestors here were dupped, followers and an angry bunch. The exact opposite is the case. Imagine if you had your livelihood taken from you and told there is nothing you can do about it. That is what some of these people are facing. This was more a symbolic protest – of sending the protestors message to the Government. (Of which the Governemnt from Albanese effectively stuck his finger up back at them with his words).

The people of Canberra complained. That it was not fair, that their lives maybe disturbed. Then when the convoys wern’t here as planned on Monday morning, complained they got to work early – and also many people just took the day off.

The remaining convoy that did come, decided to delay the initial trip in until after peak hour. It was the media that continued to stir the supposed strife.

And lets talk numbers. There were approximately 1000 people there in total, not 200. Like the bike riders. I stood there and counted them before they took off on their protest ride and their were only just over 50, yet its reported as 100. I am also amazed you posted hardly anything last week about the anti carbon tax rally, which again easily had 5,000+ people, but gets reported as 1500-2000. I also went to look at the pro carbon tax rally weeks back and counted roughly 1500-2000 people, but the media report it as 10,000?

I agree Alan Jones should not have reported trucks were not being let in. However, he was obviously told this from what he thought was a reliable source. Otherwise I don’t think he would have said it. Both sides of the debate have said some terrible things. I don’t make excuses for it and if you want to bag him go ahead. But what does it achieve?

One thing I have watched though is the media take hold of Alan Jones and one or 2 other people and then demonise everyone there at the protest. That is not the right thing to do. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but play the facts not the person.

One minute people go after Alan Jones like nothing else, saying he has a huge influence and is full of lyes and attacking the Governemnt and must be stopped etc, and then not many people turn up to this protest and say he has no influence and laugh at him. Australians are not idiots. This idea that anyone against the carbon tax is just a followerer and a sheep and can’t think for themselves and form their own opion and that ALan Jones is causing the revolt on the carbon tax is outragoues.

I have my own opionion on the carbon tax. In fact I can quite easily debate anyone who is pro carbon tax, and show that they need to read more then the Governments website, and actually read the proposed legisilation and notice the things in small print we are not being told. I am entitled to my view, and so are other people who may disagree with me. I respect that. I don’t call them names.

I would call the Convoy a success. Look how much publicity it got. Look at the Canberians who whipped themselves into a frenzy about a convoy coming and inconviencing them. Look at the debate here even on thr Riot ACT about it .For only 300 people apparently! In normal life a protest of 300 wouldn’t get more then a 15 sec mention in the news.

Both sides are great at exageration, and lying. There will always be the extreme views or someone saying something stupid. The Left and Right are both great at this. We live in a great country, have the ability to express our point of views. And at the next election – the truth will be known as Australians take their vote to the ballot.

The politicians, and society need to lift the standard of debate, from name calling and lows and respect the right for people to express their opionions whether you agree with them or not.

Lets lift the standard of the debate.

Could someone please type up a thesis summarising this post for me.

Daryl1 3:29 pm 23 Aug 11

Hi Johnboy,

I have been a long term reader of riot act, and decided to join now and post. I have to argue that you particulary have had an agenda to pursue this issue – Some points I agree with you with. Some I don’t. But I have been disguisted with the level of debate on here, with fellow posters language and name calling.

Remember last week? All these complaints on here about the convoy of inconvienience. They were called rednecks, idiots – all these names under the sun. My question to you is did you actually go and to this rally? Did you meet and speak to these people?

I did. Yes you can say the event was a fizzer, but I spoke to 10+ different people from all over Australia. I heard their stories and why they came. This event is being made out that the protestors here were dupped, followers and an angry bunch. The exact opposite is the case. Imagine if you had your livelihood taken from you and told there is nothing you can do about it. That is what some of these people are facing. This was more a symbolic protest – of sending the protestors message to the Government. (Of which the Governemnt from Albanese effectively stuck his finger up back at them with his words).

The people of Canberra complained. That it was not fair, that their lives maybe disturbed. Then when the convoys wern’t here as planned on Monday morning, complained they got to work early – and also many people just took the day off.

The remaining convoy that did come, decided to delay the initial trip in until after peak hour. It was the media that continued to stir the supposed strife.

And lets talk numbers. There were approximately 1000 people there in total, not 200. Like the bike riders. I stood there and counted them before they took off on their protest ride and their were only just over 50, yet its reported as 100. I am also amazed you posted hardly anything last week about the anti carbon tax rally, which again easily had 5,000+ people, but gets reported as 1500-2000. I also went to look at the pro carbon tax rally weeks back and counted roughly 1500-2000 people, but the media report it as 10,000?

I agree Alan Jones should not have reported trucks were not being let in. However, he was obviously told this from what he thought was a reliable source. Otherwise I don’t think he would have said it. Both sides of the debate have said some terrible things. I don’t make excuses for it and if you want to bag him go ahead. But what does it achieve?

One thing I have watched though is the media take hold of Alan Jones and one or 2 other people and then demonise everyone there at the protest. That is not the right thing to do. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but play the facts not the person.

One minute people go after Alan Jones like nothing else, saying he has a huge influence and is full of lyes and attacking the Governemnt and must be stopped etc, and then not many people turn up to this protest and say he has no influence and laugh at him. Australians are not idiots. This idea that anyone against the carbon tax is just a followerer and a sheep and can’t think for themselves and form their own opion and that ALan Jones is causing the revolt on the carbon tax is outragoues.

I have my own opionion on the carbon tax. In fact I can quite easily debate anyone who is pro carbon tax, and show that they need to read more then the Governments website, and actually read the proposed legisilation and notice the things in small print we are not being told. I am entitled to my view, and so are other people who may disagree with me. I respect that. I don’t call them names.

I would call the Convoy a success. Look how much publicity it got. Look at the Canberians who whipped themselves into a frenzy about a convoy coming and inconviencing them. Look at the debate here even on thr Riot ACT about it .For only 300 people apparently! In normal life a protest of 300 wouldn’t get more then a 15 sec mention in the news.

Both sides are great at exageration, and lying. There will always be the extreme views or someone saying something stupid. The Left and Right are both great at this. We live in a great country, have the ability to express our point of views. And at the next election – the truth will be known as Australians take their vote to the ballot.

The politicians, and society need to lift the standard of debate, from name calling and lows and respect the right for people to express their opionions whether you agree with them or not.

Lets lift the standard of the debate.

colourful sydney rac 3:25 pm 23 Aug 11

jesus christ. I have just been looking at their website and they are running their own version of the ‘birther’ conspiracy used by US rightwing nut jobs –

http://justgroundsonline.com/forum/topics/federal-politicians-s44-of

words fail me.

caf 3:14 pm 23 Aug 11

the Beer Hall Putsch (seriously go have a read of that the similarity of tone will startle you).

Perhaps, but I did notice a distinct lack of paramilitaries raiding secret weapons caches yesterday.

As I understand it, the Medieval Warm Period did occur, but was a European rather than global phenomenon.

Thumper 3:06 pm 23 Aug 11

It does appear that this group was telling rather large porkies about the size of the support they had.

As for Alan Jones, he appears to have completely lost it these days, not even a shred of sensibility.

Having said that, as an elected official Albanese’s comments were completely uncalled for.

Thoroughly Smashed 3:05 pm 23 Aug 11

John Moulis said :

Before you start gloating too much JB let me remind you of this morning’s Newspoll which shows that The Gillard government would be creamed at any election held now and that the numbers supporting “action on climate change” are now the lowest on record.

Let me remind you that science is by definition not democratic.

chewy14 3:04 pm 23 Aug 11

John Moulis said :

Before you start gloating too much JB let me remind you of this morning’s Newspoll which shows that The Gillard government would be creamed at any election held now and that the numbers supporting “action on climate change” are now the lowest on record.

The number of counter protesters on bikes were counted – there were 92. Compare this to the estimated 700 who listened to speakers addressing the convoy.

Do you endorse the comments by a female from Unions ACT who actually claimed that the truckies (and the pensioners who attended last week’s No CarbonTax rally) were all paid to be there. Do you also endorse the comment by Labor member Kelvin Thompson who called it “A convoy of incontinence”?

JB you’ve reached an all-time low.

What does the Labor party or Unions have to do with these people being nutbags and liars?
I’m completely against the Carbon tax as proposed by the government but these people in no way represent me or anyone I know.

what_the 2:59 pm 23 Aug 11

colourful sydney racing identity said :

amarooresident3 said :

Nice summary. Don’t forgot the trail of disappointed and out of pocket small business owners they left along the way with their wildly overhyped attendance figures.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/local/news/general/convoy-no-show-hurts-stocked-up-pubs/2267087.aspx

+1. These lunatics complain about Gillard lying – what is it they did and continue to do?

Yep, it’s getting rather tiring hey. I never seen so many lies pervading a subject either whilst each side declares its 100% honesty while being 100% hypocrites. To pretend only one side of parliament lies, and the other never lies is complete fantasy and does nothing for the rest of us that would actually like a proper debate and information on the subject. I think that chance is long gone however, and the likes of Alan Jones revel in it.

colourful sydney rac 2:57 pm 23 Aug 11

John Moulis said :

Do you also endorse the comment by Labor member Kelvin Thompson who called it “A convoy of incontinence”?
.

LOL I do!

John Moulis 2:52 pm 23 Aug 11

Before you start gloating too much JB let me remind you of this morning’s Newspoll which shows that The Gillard government would be creamed at any election held now and that the numbers supporting “action on climate change” are now the lowest on record.

The number of counter protesters on bikes were counted – there were 92. Compare this to the estimated 700 who listened to speakers addressing the convoy.

Do you endorse the comments by a female from Unions ACT who actually claimed that the truckies (and the pensioners who attended last week’s No CarbonTax rally) were all paid to be there. Do you also endorse the comment by Labor member Kelvin Thompson who called it “A convoy of incontinence”?

JB you’ve reached an all-time low.

colourful sydney rac 2:43 pm 23 Aug 11

amarooresident3 said :

Nice summary. Don’t forgot the trail of disappointed and out of pocket small business owners they left along the way with their wildly overhyped attendance figures.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/local/news/general/convoy-no-show-hurts-stocked-up-pubs/2267087.aspx

+1. These lunatics complain about Gillard lying – what is it they did and continue to do?

amarooresident3 2:34 pm 23 Aug 11

If they’re upset about what Albo said, particularly after some of the language that has been used about the PM by CONC supporters and fellow travellers, then they seriously need to harden the f**k up.

amarooresident3 2:28 pm 23 Aug 11

Nice summary. Don’t forgot the trail of disappointed and out of pocket small business owners they left along the way with their wildly overhyped attendance figures.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/local/news/general/convoy-no-show-hurts-stocked-up-pubs/2267087.aspx

red_dog 2:27 pm 23 Aug 11

+1 Johnboy

Certainly was a fizzer … and a sad one at that. Broadcaster Jones is a bitter and twisted old hag … the ‘lost convoy’? please! Some cheap egg and bacon rolls going in local towns too I hear… might be worth a convoy of my own.

I keep thinking I should pen a version of Waltzing Matilda about the whole sad affair “…and their horns may be heard as you pass by the (completely fictional) roadblock…” but I’ll leave that up to wittier writers than I.

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