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Those Darn Cyclists…….Again

By toadstool - 1 April 2009 140

Ok, I know cyclist issues have been done to death in this forum, but would like to know from anyone, including cyclists, whether they think it is appropriate to ride two abreast on any road, blocking the traffic behind. I’ve come across two incidents of this bevaviour over the past week or so, one of which almost caused an accident.

The first incident was on Clunies Ross Street where it narrows to go under Parkes Way. The ramp leading up to Parkes Way has one of those green cycle zones, but the rest of Clunies Ross has no on road cycle lanes whatsoever, however there is a cycle path running parallel to the road. Two cyclists were riding side-by-side. I managed to squeeze past before the road narrowed, but the cars behind me got trapped as the bikes continued side-by-side without any consideration for others motorists.

The second incident is the one that really irks me. Pulling out of the lights onto Ginniderra Drive from Aikman Drive myself and the other vehicles did the usual accelerate to the posted speed limit of 80k when suddenly everyone started braking hard. The car behind me had to swerve to avoid running up my behind. The cause? Two cyclists riding side-by-side on the road. This part of Ginniderra Drive has an on road cycle lane and a bike path running parallel with it and the cyclists were in the traffic lane! I mean what’s that all about? After the Government has spent millions on cycle lanes, aren’t they good enough for the cyclists? Are they allowed to ride two abreast on the road and not use the dedicated cycles lanes?

Maybe if cyclists like this were more considerate to other road users, the rest of the cyclists wouldn’t be honked, abused or run off the road.

What’s Your opinion?


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Those Darn Cyclists…….Again
Clown Killer 3:19 pm 01 Apr 09

Well, road-tax is a general term

So in plain English – there is no such thing. We know that none of our registration or licensing costs go to raod construction or maintenance. All other taxes collected from fuel excise, vehicle stamp duties etc goes to consolidated revenue of the respective State, Territory and Commonwealth governments. Meaning that a cyclist makes as much contribution as any other road user – none.

My work here is done.

Spectra 3:18 pm 01 Apr 09

What contribution do cyclists make to the upkeep of the facilities, other than maintaining membership in Pedal Power?

Well, I pay registration on two different vehicles. Can I please be allowed to ride on your road now?

Grrrr 3:17 pm 01 Apr 09

I think you need to get out on a bike more – I assure you that your opinion will change.

– Is it appropriate? Yes, because the rules say they can.
– Would it be polite to ride single-file on a single-lane road to let cars past? Yes.
– Is it legal for cars to overtake you? Sometimes it isn’t – there’s often double-white lines, but cars do it anyway.

Road rules say cyclists can ride 2-abreast anywhere (no more than 1.5m apart.) Roads may be ridden on anywhere it’s impractical to use the cycling lane. AFAIK, deciding whether it’s “impractical” isn’t your call, it’s the cyclists.

Are you irked by a cyclist because another car almost ran up your backside? You’re tilting at windmills, mate. The car behind you was not driving safely. Furthermore, Ginninderra Drive is a 2-lane road, which means you could have easily gone around the cyclists. If the drivers in front of you were dumb enough to haul on the anchors instead of changing lanes, that’s still not the cyclists’ fault. I can also tell you that the “cycle lane” – which is just the shoulder of the road – is full of broken glass, and the bike path near the road is also in a bad way.

How considerate do you want cyclists to be? Perhaps they should all get off the road the moment you put your key in the ignition? Cyclists are honked, abused and run off the road by drivers whose behaviour is waaaay beyond inconsiderate.

No car trip I’ve ever made has ultimately been delayed by more than a few seconds by cyclists, and I doubt I’m much different from any other driver. On the other hand, on my bike I’ve been shouted at and given the finger for no reason other than I was on a bike. I have even experienced it on an empty 2-lane road, on a Sunday, while riding safely, predictably, considerately and legally.

dvaey 3:13 pm 01 Apr 09

Clown Killer said :

we have paid our road tax for the benefit of using that road, and if we dont pay our road-tax/registration, and we DO use the road, we are guilty of an offence.

What is this ‘road tax’ that you speak of dvaey? Lets ignore the fact that the biggest part of whatever we do pay for registration is TPI to cover for our collective incompetence as drivers and the rest probably wouldnot cover the cost of administration of vehicle registration. But seriously though – what’s ‘road tax’?

Well, road-tax is a general term, we pay it in many ways, whether through licensing/registration, or other fees such as ‘road rescue’ and surcharges attached to registration. Also, when I purchase fuel, part of my fuel price goes directly into funding roads.

What contribution do cyclists make to the upkeep of the facilities, other than maintaining membership in Pedal Power?

Postalgeek 3:11 pm 01 Apr 09

Speaking as a cyclist, it depends. On multiple lane roads during quiet times, I see no problem with 2 riders occupying a lane. Drivers need to pull their heads in and use the round thing in front of them. During busy periods on single lane roads the cyclists I ride with form single file and I think that is appropriate.

I’ve had bottles thrown at me, people swerve, brake and swing at me, so forgive me if my sympathy gland has become all crusty and hard. Just the other day I had a motorist slow down next to me while I was pulling my little boy in a big F-off fluro trailer with fluoro flag in a cycle lane, and then try to proceed to turn into a parking space as we cycled pass, forcing me to swerve and brake. As I passed I saw him mouthing off at me. Forgive me for saying this, but I wanted to stop and punch his teeth through the back of his skull.

What really bugs us is how gutless abusive drivers are; not one driver has ever stopped and got out of the car to take issue.

Jim Jones 3:06 pm 01 Apr 09

Ignore it Clown Killer, the whole paying registration argument has been demolished and laughed at so many times on this forum that it’s become a joke (hence post #2).

Dvaey is proof of “most of them seem to be in a constant state of rage because someone else is using ‘their’ road.” Sounds like one of those dudes who drives around with massive veins sticking out of his neck in a raging because someone prevented him getting to his destination for a grand total of 30 seconds.

Clown Killer 2:56 pm 01 Apr 09

we have paid our road tax for the benefit of using that road, and if we dont pay our road-tax/registration, and we DO use the road, we are guilty of an offence.

What is this ‘road tax’ that you speak of dvaey? Lets ignore the fact that the biggest part of whatever we do pay for registration is TPI to cover for our collective incompetence as drivers and the rest probably wouldnot cover the cost of administration of vehicle registration. But seriously though – what’s ‘road tax’?

Holden Caulfield 2:53 pm 01 Apr 09

Clown Killer said :

I was under the imprssion that it was legal for cyclists to ride two abreast.

Yes, and it is probably still legal to relieve yourself on the back kerbside wheel of your car, but this doesn’t mean in all circumstances that it is a good idea.

😛

caf 2:52 pm 01 Apr 09

Where there’s an on-road cycle lane it’s pretty hard to justify, but really it’s no different to encountering any other slowish-moving bit of traffic – earthmoving equipment or something, so you shouldn’t be swerving around and squealing to a stop etcetera. If you are, it sounds like you’re not being very aware.

Clown Killer 2:47 pm 01 Apr 09

I was under the imprssion that it was legal for cyclists to ride two abreast.

Owen 2:47 pm 01 Apr 09
dvaey 2:45 pm 01 Apr 09

Spectra, sorry, the argument took a minute longer to write than your snappy comment.

dvaey 2:44 pm 01 Apr 09

Jim Jones said :

As for cyclists needing to be ‘more considerate to other road users’ – there are very very few people who drive cars that are considerate of cyclists, most of them seem to be in a constant state of rage because someone else is using ‘their’ road.

What makes it ‘their’ road? As drivers, we have paid our road tax for the benefit of using that road, and if we dont pay our road-tax/registration, and we DO use the road, we are guilty of an offence.

Also, as for ‘very very few people who drive cars that are considerate of cyclists’.. on the road, cars are the rule, in the same way that if I happen to be traversing a bicycle path for some reason (fishing down by the lake for example), as a driver I respect the bikepath belongs to the bikes and they have right of way.

Spectra 2:43 pm 01 Apr 09

Oh, oh, can we have the argument about paying registration please? I do so love that one.

Jim Jones 2:38 pm 01 Apr 09

No – cyclists shouldn’t ride two abreast; certainly not on a busy road with cars on it, and it’s a bad idea even on bike paths. They’re may even be well within their rights to use a whole lane, but it’s just not a good idea.

That said, I find your comment — “Maybe if cyclists like this were more considerate to other road users, the rest of the cyclists wouldn’t be honked, abused or run off the road” — a bit rough though. Judging all cyclists by the actions of 2 riders is obviously really silly; you wouldn’t treat everyone who drives in a car like an asshole because someone cut you off once, so why would you make this remark?

As for cyclists needing to be ‘more considerate to other road users’ – there are very very few people who drive cars that are considerate of cyclists, most of them seem to be in a constant state of rage because someone else is using ‘their’ road.

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