Tim the Lyneham stabbing victim speaks out, and sends in a picture of his wounds

Mr Shab has made I think the most sensible comment thus far.
There will always be people who want to get high, if there were no drugs or alcohol, people would spin around until they fell over.

Why not try legalising everying? That would be my approach.

It’s pretty much impossible to outlaw people’s vices. If someone really wants to do something, they’ll do it anyway. I’m not sure it’s the place of the law to decide the nature of personal vice anyway (by which I mean, people should be masters of their own person).

When drugs stop being clandestine, you can have a slightly more mature debate about them (well…if we discount Kevin’s moral panic about drinking…). You can provide actual facts about the effects of drugs, instead of the shrill cries of “Drugs killed my father and raped my mother!!!!” People will still get addicted, but it can be more legitimately treated as a medical issue.

When you make anything legal, you make it cheap. If someone can get their hit of smack/ice/etc from a government shopfront, where it’s of a known purity, you’ll get fewer OD’s. Useage and can be monitored for “higher risk” drugs.

As it stands, it seems the only people benefiting are crims – everyone else suffers. People will still suffer under a legalisation regime, you just won’t get the same level of criminal profit. Making public policy on drug use is a matter of looking for the “least worst” solution. I think legalisation is where it’s at.

Canberra was also about half the size then.

I love my kids and my grandkids. Why wouldn’t it be my problem? Besides, I’m not dead yet.

I think people took a lot more responsibility in the past. Nowadays people just walk away if it isn’t specifically their problem.

Well, they didn’t appear to menace our houses much either.

Llamafrog its time you stopped using your car. You pose a greater threat to the planet than an illegal drug user’s. Don’t try that denial stuff. Its the first defense of an addict justifying his drug use.

Burglars tend not to menace children, as attracting attention isn’t their thing.

More children playing in the street might make the street safer from burglars however.

Johnboy, I’m not saying it was less dangerous. Only that people behaved very differently. Also we had never heard of a person who had been burgled. Not one we knew.

The users are the problem, take away the market and you remove the problem, without morons taking drugs there wouldn’t be drug dealers.

We won’t agree on this so it’s pointless continuing. Granny will reminisce about the good old days and I will hope for harsher punishment to dealers. Au revoir.

Am I happy? No. I don’t know what the solution is. It was a very different world, as you say, and solutions that worked well back then don’t seem to work in this world. But I wouldn’t want somebody coming and cutting off my kid’s finger and then going, “Oh, sorry. My mistake. I meant to do the job next door.”

I think you attribute a lot more power to me as a person than I ever actually had. I turned up to vote and I voted. They did what they wanted. Other leaders and governments did what they wanted. There wasn’t always a wonderful choice. Other issues the general community are only aware of now because the media is giving them a voice. There was no voice for global warming amongst the ordinary people until fairly recently.

I would have liked to leave you a better world, but I had very little say in the forces that changed it and shaped it. This sort of thing can’t be done by an individual, but large groups of people banding together and lobbying. Otherwise the individual feels alone and isolated, like they are the only ones that care. They are also just trying to get by in life. Dealing with the daily grind of bills, and housework, and set-backs and tragedy.

I would like to see you do better. You have a powerful tool in the internet for linking people, which we didn’t have.

And I would stand with you for a just cause.

Compulsory treatment is just wasting time and money. The government already is under funding treatment. Users have to make the decision themselves to stop. Only then will any support you offer have any real effect.

When the Rum corps had to much power, in the early colony, the Governor set up beer and wine production.

Take a leaf out of history. If you want to get rid of the problems that organised crime and dealers are perpetrating in our community, then encourage an alternative. The truth is that our community is going to use drugs. The question should be, who should supply them and with what drugs. Eg. Ice might be like rum, as speed might make a beer alternative.

Otherwise if you persist in drugs are evil line, then can I suggest Sharia law. It will achieve some of your outcomes. Gods law.

Johnboy I can’t make it any clearer, it’s not the users who are the major problem, it is the dealers.

Personally I don’t think our streets are any more dangerous at all.

I think reporting has improved and parental risk assessment hasn’t recalibrated.

Disfunctional drug users are little threat to children as children have little to steal.

Sexual predators are no more common, just better reported, and at the end of the day most abuse comes from within the family.

And you’re happy just to accept things as they are, shrug your shoulders and say “too bad, you should’ve been born in the late 60’s” to your grandkids eh?

I don’t subscribe to that at all. I prefer mirroring the nuclear deterrent way; have such huge consequences that the crime is not committed.

I remember leaving our house unlocked here in Canberra, farnarkler. And us kids roaming the streets by ourselves until 9 o’clock at night in summer. Kids being put to sleep in the back of the station wagon while the parents played tennis and stuff. Prams left out the front of shops even, if I go back to my very early childhood.

And it was nice. It was so nice. I’m sorry my kids and grandkids will probably never know how very good that feels.

My solution would be to have about 10 times as many rehab centres – or more.

I’d have lock-up rehab for those court ordered to rehab, and then other specialised rehabs for hard core users, the homeless, teenagers etc etc.

Rehab should be easy to access. Spending money on rehab saves money in the long term. Yet under the current system it is really really hard to get into drug rehab, and when you do it is full of criminals and freaks, and mostly men. Young women usually leave quickly due to the company.

The dealers need to be found and given very long custodial sentences.

This I happen to agree with, although I’m not sure of the results.

The point about separating the functional from non-functional drug users is well made. Unfortunately (or fortunately) we are stuck with a system whereby a crime has to actually occur before we can really do anything.

Perhaps designating areas much like how alcohol can be consumed in some places but not others would help?

I didn’t say jail the users, they need compulsory treatment for their addiction. It’s the dealers who need to be put away for many years.

Granny I wouldn’t live in Saudi either however it would be nice to be able to leave your house unlocked.

Sure when you visit a Saudi dealer you get all your drugs in the one spot. Herion, hash what ever you want. You will only see one room in his house. You won’t see any of the women in his family. Its amazing what can be brewed in a bucket.

Well, my ex-parents-in-law who lived in Saudi said the chopping the hand off thing works really well. Hardly any stealing. But I wouldn’t want to live in Saudi. I’m glad that I live in Australia. It’s not always just about whether something works.

Maybe the problem isn’t as bad as your proposed solutions?

Perhaps imprisoning the huge numbers of functional drug users to attack the small number who’d be sniffing petrol even if you managed to take the drugs away, isn’t a great outcome?

You’re going just a little too far there. The legal system needs to be overhauled in line with the times. 40 years ago one wouldn’t get done ‘DUI’, now one gets their licence taken away and given a fine. Dope and cocaine were once legal. The legal system has been updated every so often. It seems like it needs another update.

The dealers need to be found and given very long custodial sentences.

Ha – I knew I’d get some bites, even though it was only a semi-serious post.

The real question we have to ask ourselves is ‘is there a solution that is socially acceptable’?

Take JohnBoy’s response – do we lock up all the booze related criminals also? Frankly, I think that relying on consistency as your logical defence shows sloppy thinking, because it doesn’t get to the root of the issue. What I find interesting is that when a solution is proposed (not a socially accpetable one, clearly), people are willing to bag it out but offer nothing in response.

So alternatives have we got? Anyone willing to put up an idea? Or are we all so worried about being seen to be ‘socially acceptable’ that we are incapable of making tough calls? Seriously, I don’t expect an easy answer to this problem.

If we throw out our legal system we throw out much of what we liked about growing up in this country. It is frustrating as anything at times, but the alternatives make me shudder.

Well you’ve got a building full of people over by Russell Offices. You know, the one we’re not meant to know about which has so many CCTV cameras on it that it just shouts out ‘We’re ASIO’.

They’re not under any jurisdiction, apart from the Attorney-General so let them loose.

Like I said before, how would you deal with the problem? My approach may be too heavy handed but no-one else has come up with a viable alternative.

You are basically in favour of secret police, however?

What problem dexi? This ice problem. It wasn’t around during the 80’s and 90’s (and oh yes I was right into drugs back then).

And as for B grade gang crime movies, neither Jason Statham nor Guy Ritchie are my cup of tea.

I personally reckon a nazi, fascist, swastika wearing, tory party voting, John Howard biography writing, white shoe and sensible haircut and suit wearing stooge toadie member of the Liberal party could do just as well.

*chuckle*

What problem is that farnarkler? Over stimulation by B grade gang crime movies.

And how would you deal with the problem CHW? Group therapy? Counselling sessions? Wake up and smell the daisies.

By the way I’m male.

Farnarkler @ #74: you go, girl!

Yeah, we need some o’ dem heavies! They REALLY know how to run prostitution/drug/people smuggling/protection racket rings!! And they know how to get respect!!! They piss ALL OVER pansy police people!!!!

Heh heh – notice the escalating exclamation points!!!!! Adds credibility to my post, hey!!!!!!

Sounds like Canberra needs some of our wonderful Eastern European ex military men. They’re a dime a dozen in London since the reunification of Germany and Poland and the Czech republic joining the EU. Half a dozen of them in a plain white van visiting the homes of the dealers and all of a sudden the dealers are in Casualty missing their hands/eyes/ears. legs, etc. When the police are ineffectual, others ways have to be found.

yea workin till 5 may come over after then…..will be thirsty so make sure ya got lotsa ssip….

ok smartie, Jaq said rofl, psml.
you gonna pop in 4 a drink today sometime?
jaq’s gonna buy me St’s Row 2 & Fable 2 for my bday today, seein i cant move much, least they’ll keep me still (not allowed to use me steerin wheel which sux)

Tim

okay it is now the 21st…….so happy birthday boofhead…..be very careful when you cut the cake!!

I think you’d better stay out of fame in future!

*chuckle*

back to normal??….you never were normal ya gronk….

GB … heres the link to the sory from the other day, well thats my 3mins of fame, back to nornal now (sorta)

http://the-riotact.com/?p=9692

Tim

I’ve got no idea what the full story is here. But hrazor: good luck, and enjoy your birthday. Hope you and & Jacquie keep it together and stay away from the bad stuff. Plenty of people have escaped their past – hopefully you will too. Hang in there. Like Granny said, life is good.

Hrazor, happy birthday for tomorrow! Hope you and Jacqui have a special day despite the obvious difficulties you are both facing.

The way I look at it, it should be the best birthday ever since you really shouldn’t have been alive to see it.

Enjoy life. It’s a wonderful thing!

Take care and get well soon ….

: )

geez your a girlyboy!!!!

To make things even worse it’s my birthday tommorrow 21/11 Happy Birthday to me yay

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=r7RsB0BA4EI&feature=related
here’s a link to what i had to have done to stitch the heart that got pierced.. & its no bloody wonder i’m having trouble breathing, i feel sorry for my poor partner who now has to do everything for me for at least the next 3 mths (we have only been together for the past 5mths) well at least she has no problem looking after me i just feel guilty cause i cant do anything at all to help.

Tim & Jacqui

PS: by the way Jacquie sends her thanks to all the ppl who wanted to help us out xxx

There’s plenty of delusional fabrications on riotact already. Can’t see why ‘drug addled skanks’ shouldn’t get a look in.

Seriously, even hearing from people when they are off the planet can sometimes help understand what’s actually going on. Eg if “VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy” spoke to a few of the drug addled folks currently in our fine rehabilitation institutions (where drug supplies do not seem to be a major problem), they might see some of the problems in their “lock them up” approach to solving violent crime. Or maybe they have, and think that’s a fine place to dry out and get rehabilitated, or possibly that people getting stabbed in jail is ok, I don’t know.

Tooks said :

Mary Whitehouse said :

A friend of mine was subjected to a carjacking attempt by two iced-up idiots just near her inner north home one afternoon recently.

She managed to make it home and called the AFP to let them know the offenders were nearby.

They refused to attend but instead told her that she would have to go to a station to file a complaint. That option was not appealing for a terrified middle aged woman, even a toughie like my friend.

We have iced up lunatics causing violence on the streets and a lazy, bureaucratic and entirely contemptible police force.

What an absolute load of crap. Do you write fiction for a living?

i couldn’t agree more took….if that actually happened the police would never have reacted in the manner described…..I have full confidence in our police force….it is just our court system that i am not so sure of

Skanks have the right of reply. I’d like to hear. You just never know.

Hank said :

Hrazor – it would be good to hear your ex-partners side of the story.

i disagree…why would anyone want to hear a heap of delusional fabrications from a drug addled skank??????

Mary Whitehouse said :

A friend of mine was subjected to a carjacking attempt by two iced-up idiots just near her inner north home one afternoon recently.

She managed to make it home and called the AFP to let them know the offenders were nearby.

They refused to attend but instead told her that she would have to go to a station to file a complaint. That option was not appealing for a terrified middle aged woman, even a toughie like my friend.

We have iced up lunatics causing violence on the streets and a lazy, bureaucratic and entirely contemptible police force.

What an absolute load of crap. Do you write fiction for a living?

Starscream said :

Respect? Why does he deserve it? Just becuase he got stabbed he automaticly deserves respect? I do not think so. Blameing violence on games and tv makes me want to abuse him.

starscream….you are living proof that “you dont need to have a long neck to be a goose”

Seriously VY that approach will just doom a generation to the criminal scrap heap. Whoops, that is what’s happening now.

Do you know how many illegal drug users are in Canberra?

Not to mention all the unemployed that would become prisoners. Further cut.

Would cut down on unemployment to, what with all the new prison guards that would be needed

Not to mention anyone speeding.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy said :

How do you think these crimes are potentially preventable?

Chuck anyone found using in gaol. This stuff is illegal, right?

/dons flame suit…

Hey yeah!

And by this thinking we can stop the massive tide of alcohol related crime by banning booze and just locking up people found with that right?

How do you think these crimes are potentially preventable?

Chuck anyone found using in gaol. This stuff is illegal, right?

/dons flame suit…

hrazor said :

thanks granny yr not too far off the mark, when we were together back in 05 she would be fine for 3 of the 4 weeks in the month, but i tell ya that week of hell had us break up numerous times, then she’d be back couple of weeks l8r as if nothing happened?
Like they say men r from mars n women r from venus if it wasn’t for sex we would be much happier

Lucky you don’t live in our house at the wrong time of the month, hrazor!!

*chuckle*

Yes, men and women are the teensiest bit different and it does cause the odd problem or two.

Hrazor, you are very brave, I was aghast when I saw your pic – scary time for you, and I am glad you pulled through.

You are also being pretty noble about your x. Understanding, too. That gets you respect, in my own opinion.

Spitfire3 said :

Starscream, how’d you get out of the dumpster?

Being in mod doesn’t mean you can’t comment, it means we get to look at it before it goes up.

Starscream, how’d you get out of the dumpster?

thanks granny yr not too far off the mark, when we were together back in 05 she would be fine for 3 of the 4 weeks in the month, but i tell ya that week of hell had us break up numerous times, then she’d be back couple of weeks l8r as if nothing happened?
Like they say men r from mars n women r from venus if it wasn’t for sex we would be much happier

dexi said :

Hank …She will tell you he’s an asshole and had it coming.

😀 😀 😀

PMS?

But will she explain exactly why she felt it necessary to personally stab him right then?

Jim that’s because nothing has changed. We still have the same criminalization of drug use in law and society still has the scumbag approach. So we still have the same crimes.

Hank …She will tell you he’s an asshole and had it coming.

PBO said :

It just annoys me that crime is getting worse in Canberra.

I haven’t seen anything indicating that it’s getting worse.

Got figures?

Hrazor – it would be good to hear your ex-partners side of the story.

To easy VY… At least addicts are under the control of a powerful mind altering drug. Victim or not, revenge or getting even violence, is still violent crime.

How do you think these crimes are potentially preventable?

The trick is to beat the ice freak up to a sufficient level that they can’t identify you or your vehicle due to permanent brain damage.

Of course, this remark isn’t really intended to be serious, but it reflects how some members of the community feel when they are the victim of crime that they see as potentially preventable. If people are buying and comsuming drugs like ice, violent crime seems to me to be a fairly obvious by product.

Thankz for all you support ppl.
I have a new partner (sorry girls) & a few close friends who all help out
i think this is where 1/2 the problem comes from, some ex partners just cant seem to be able to see the other one getting on with life, (they get jealous and all of a sudden want 2b together again.) now she has got her own problems (and she has been using lately due to other stresses as well (no excuse). least now being supervised she might be able to get the help she needs.
Thankz Dexi scars can be cool but it depends on how you get them, i have some good ones already, didn’t quite need the zipper look just yet

we are quite able to walk the dogs, (its just me that is not allowed to go with them 4 awhile) thanks for all the offers though much appreciated xxx.

thanks to norman 4 lending me his laptop 4 awhile, the cops took my computer 4 evidence as its connected to my security cameras (i need them living in this area) now i dont know what i’m supposed to, they have the computer for at least 3mth (so i’ve been told) makes it hard to see who’s visitin me now, i cant just look at the screen anymore & it hurts to keep getting up to answer the door…
such is life the innocent victim gets penalized again 4 something that he didn’t even do

dexi said :

The police are not stupid. They know its a no win when ice is involved. They prefer old fashion crime and criminals. Simple stuff that can be written in a note book. Not epic dramas.

What we have is a medical epidemic where its the young people who are the victim. They should not be treated like criminals. I don’t buy the rhetoric about the drug war. Its obviously not working.

PBO…What is the “right” that you want returned to victims.

You can’t get back whats been taken, you can only get on with what you got.

I meant to say rights. It just annoys me that crime is getting worse in Canberra.

PBO said :

The sad fact of the matter is that the Police just dont want to be involved. However if you take the law into your own hands and do something about it you are branded a vigilante and you are arrested for doing the job the Police should be doing.

I wont paint all cops in this picture as a lot of them are great at what they do. However I would like to see the right returned to the victims instead of the crimminals.

Maybe a name and shame of scum around Canberra might get the ball rolling since we cannot have armed groups of vigilantes walking around taking the cops thunder.

Bollocks

Swaggie said :

DJ – leave “what” for the Courts? Probably a suspended 2 months sentence at worst… and as ‘Tim’ says isn’t it an offence to carry a weapon in the street, it is but when was there ever a deterrent from our courts not to do so?

Regardless of the outcome in Court how many sides of the story do we have here on RA?

‘Tim’ may or may not be an honest person…

Damn, women..

The police are not stupid. They know its a no win when ice is involved. They prefer old fashion crime and criminals. Simple stuff that can be written in a note book. Not epic dramas.

What we have is a medical epidemic where its the young people who are the victim. They should not be treated like criminals. I don’t buy the rhetoric about the drug war. Its obviously not working.

PBO…What is the “right” that you want returned to victims.

You can’t get back whats been taken, you can only get on with what you got.

Johnboy is right, i should have said convicted scum.

PBO said :

Maybe a name and shame of scum around Canberra might get the ball rolling since we cannot have armed groups of vigilantes walking around taking the cops thunder.

Won’t be us doing it. That the only people guaranteed the right to their good name are those who can afford a lawyer to make threats for them is something which keeps me up at night.

If they get charged with something then I’m all for naming, doubly so after conviction. Before that, I’d like to tread with a great deal of care.

The sad fact of the matter is that the Police just dont want to be involved. However if you take the law into your own hands and do something about it you are branded a vigilante and you are arrested for doing the job the Police should be doing.

I wont paint all cops in this picture as a lot of them are great at what they do. However I would like to see the right returned to the victims instead of the crimminals.

Maybe a name and shame of scum around Canberra might get the ball rolling since we cannot have armed groups of vigilantes walking around taking the cops thunder.

I don’t mind ICE; its Darwinism at its best. And the beauty of ICE when compared with, say, heroin is that the addict has a far far shorter lifespan. Heroin junkies can drag out their pathetic anti-social existence for 40 years or more. But living the ICE lifestyle for more than a few years is nigh on impossible. Its not even the ICE itself that is so dangerous, rather the lack of sleep that it causes. Chronic insomnia will turn you nuttier than a jar of nutella in no time.

With so many iced up w**kers around, we need Steven Seagal or Chuck Norris to become citizens of this fine town. If they are happy where we are, can we try and entice Dirty Harry?

An ice dealer stole my car. I found out who. I tried to report it stolen three times. I was called a lair and threatened with being locked in a cell for making a false police report. It was never listed as stolen. The dealer was pulled up and done for unregistered and unlicensed. Still no action. It was totally trashed when I found it 8 months later. The boot was full of stolen property (just crap he couldn’t sell), and a shovel. Inside was covered in baggies, dog food and a bag of ice. I called the policeman and told him but he wasn’t interested. The lot went into the skip. The whole thing made me fell humiliated and powerless.

You would have to lend me the driver too!

*chuckle*

If I had my car back I would do it.

*sigh*

I’m not sure that the police force is entirely contemptible, Mary. Some of them have been pretty nice to me. Perhaps you should try smiling?

How did she know they where on ice. They may have just been Houso’s

I think if he has a social worker (such as someone from vocal perhaps, or the courts?) he would be able to get some sort of respite for the dogs. So if he is reading this, check it out. :O)

Might I also point out that drug abuse, while brought on by an unhealthy choice, is an addiction and illness. It is extremely difficult to remove oneself from it. The socio-economic factors that this man may have gone through have contributed to that choice. He possibly may now get the opportunity to live somewhere else, less dangerous. Wish you well on your recovery mate.

A friend of mine was subjected to a carjacking attempt by two iced-up idiots just near her inner north home one afternoon recently.

She managed to make it home and called the AFP to let them know the offenders were nearby.

They refused to attend but instead told her that she would have to go to a station to file a complaint. That option was not appealing for a terrified middle aged woman, even a toughie like my friend.

We have iced up lunatics causing violence on the streets and a lazy, bureaucratic and entirely contemptible police force.

Um, it would take more than a scar to ruin a chest like that when even a gaping, bloodied and mangulated wound hasn’t managed it.

; )

I am being entirely clinical and scientific when I say this, of course.

She launches her eggs into a pond, he covers them in goo?
Ice does some strange things to people, but not -that- strange..

If chicks dig scars then you are going to be rooting like a cane toad in heat.

DJ – leave “what” for the Courts? Probably a suspended 2 months sentence at worst… and as ‘Tim’ says isn’t it an offence to carry a weapon in the street, it is but when was there ever a deterrent from our courts not to do so?

Note to anyone ever involved in whichever way in crime – don’t make public statements before the hearing cause they just come back to bite you later.

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ice is bad kids mkay

Leave it for the courts

See kids, this is what heppens when you take drugs and flunk out of school.

If I were a few years older I would walk the dogs. I surely hope he finds somebody to do it for him.

Starscream is just upset Hrazor lived. Who’s going to supply the bigoted, uninformed, abusive, generalizations about government housing tenants now?

Hope you heal well Hrazor. Just take it easy for a while. Scars are sexy.

Wishing you a prompt recovery Tim. As someone who has also had the sternum cut for surgery I can suggest take it easy, if you try to hurry things up it will really hurt.

Thanks for sharing your story with us.

Having failed to show any respect to either Tim or me, Starscream is now in moderation.

As JC said, we’d like to encourage contributions like this one to make it a more interesting site for all our readers.

Discussion back on topic please.

Back on topic – Tim thanks muchly for sending in your pic and giving us, the Riot and broader Canberra community, some idea as to your take on what occurred.

Hope you heal quickly and that your dogs get all the exercise they need while you are laid up.

That’s a nasty looking cut – hope it heals up well.

Starscream JB doesn’t say give him respect but “show some respect and go easy on his language”

Showing respect is just being polite and courteous – it does not indicate your feelings towards any individual or that any individual has done anything to earn your respect. Also, a point that is often missed on Riot, just because someone is not eloquent, has l33t sk1lls, can spell, type or has perfect sentence/paragraph structure does not mean the content isn’t interesting, informative or more importantly, given the open forum Riot strives to be, contain an any less deserving or valid opinion than anyone else’s.

Why exactly does he deserve my respect? Its not something i give away.

He got stabbed becuase he lives in some junkie flats and had a junkie gf, not becuase of videogames.

He should not even have dogs living there.

Last warning for you Starscream. That was not an optional call for respect.

Respect? Why does he deserve it? Just becuase he got stabbed he automaticly deserves respect? I do not think so. Blameing violence on games and tv makes me want to abuse him.