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Time to shine climate nuts! Mayor Rattenbury opens the gates of hell!

By johnboy 17 January 2014 66

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As if the whole city wasn’t irritable enough as the bricks of our homes start to glow from the accumulated heat.

Now Shane Rattenbury has been unable to restrain himself and has linked the heatwave to carbon emissions thereby kicking off the most annoying argument known to man.

As Canberra faces its third consecutive day of extreme heat, we are starting to experience firsthand the impacts of climate change in our city, said ACT Greens Member for Molonglo, Shane Rattenbury, MLA.

“2013 was Australia’s hottest year since records began in 1910. 2014 has begun with heatwaves travelling across the country and according to findings released by the Climate Council; we can expect more of the same in the future,” said Mr Rattenbury.

“Heatwaves are hotter, lasting longer and occurring more frequently, increasing the risk and severity of bushfires and drought. The Abbott Government’s failure to take action on global warming is negligent.

“The ACT is a national leader in renewable energy and we are taking decisive action to avoid the worst impacts of global warming. However, the Abbott Government is determined to ignore the science and listen only to its big business mates.

“It astounds me that while people in Canberra – and all over the nation – are already feeling the effects of global warming, Tony Abbott would let his ideological position get in the way of the hard facts.


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davo101 11:44 am 19 Jan 14

shauno said :

I’m fairly certain you can find almost identical quotes from the 16th century on people defending flat Earth.

I’m pretty sure you won’t. Mostly due to the fact that the idea that people believed in a flat earth is a 19th century invention.

Antagonist 10:00 am 19 Jan 14

WMC: The simplest way to see if global warming is occurring is to graph the average minimum annual temperatures for the last 100 years. Anyone can do it, and anyone (except Mr Abbott) can see the trend in the graph themselves. Even my daughter who is in Year 3 can see the trend, especially from 1961 onwards.

As for Mayor Rattenbury blaming Mr Abbott for climate change because he has not done anything decisive in the last six months? Shut up, before I put you across my knee and give you the smack you deserve, idiot!

Woody Mann-Caruso 9:33 am 19 Jan 14

Just out of curiosity, denialists:

How many years of record-breaking highs, declining lows and extreme weather events do you think is enough for people to be able to say ‘this is the climate now’? You won’t be able to say ‘herp it’s just a one-off weather event’ or ‘derp but it’s cold over there’ forever.

miz 7:37 am 19 Jan 14

I hope Shane noticed the buckled tram lines in Melbourne lately and has had a reality check re light rail
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/commuters-and-tennis-face-delayed-as-heatwave-power-outages-hit-public-transport/story-fni0fit3-1226801011116

Diggety 11:08 pm 18 Jan 14

Sounds like he wants his old Greenpeace job back.

housebound 8:00 pm 18 Jan 14

Forgot to add: I love these threads. Fans from all sides come out to play. Great sideshow.

housebound 7:59 pm 18 Jan 14

DrKoresh said :

Shane Rattenbury is a deranged, dangerious loon..

I’ve never heard more ridiculous s*** in my life you deluded, paranoid idiot.

Sure about that? I haven’t met anyone dangerious, but the concept of Rattenbury and loon …

CraigT 7:19 pm 18 Jan 14

shauno said :

CraigT said :

DrKoresh said :

Masquara said :

Are you saying the IPA was misquoting these people?

Where does he say that Masquara? Don’t be so blatantly disingenuous.

On the whole it is apparent that the IPA doesn’t employ people who understand the issue, let alone anybody capable of objective analysis. The scribblings about Tim Flannery you see on the IPA are just part of the overall effort to spread doubt and confusion.

This spreading of doubt and confusion is quite an extensive enterprise being carried out by dishonest purveyors of anti-social ideology, as detailed here:
http://www.slideshare.net/pedageo/dealing-indoubt

“Doubt is our product, since it is the best means of competing with the ‘body of fact'”.
They don’t have facts on their side, hence the fabricated quotes, the cherry-picked and out-of-context factoids strung together to give the appearance of a controversy, and above all, the personal attacks on the real scientists.

And then there are the dupes of this denial industry – the likes of Roundhead here, who is clearly so very very proud to belong to this bunch of intellectual dunces who can’t tell the difference between fact and a controversy manufactured by paid PR-merchants.

Im fairly certain you can find almost identical quotes from the 16th century on people defending flat Earth.

I think it is obvious to everybody that the climate-change deniers are the modern-day equivalent to flat-earthers.

No facts, observations or reason could convince a flat-earther, and nothing’s changed.

More recently, it took until the 1970s for the theory of continental drift to finally convince the deniers. Some of the old cranks who refused to be convinced are still around.

It will be the same with climate change. The cranks who have staked their reputation on denying climate change (and lost, obviously) will hold out until they die. It will be another 40 years before climate change denialism becomes as forgotten as continental-drift denialism has now become.

Although, the consequences of climate change being what they are, I suspect the history books won’t be forgetting the arseholes of the climate change denialism lobby any time soon…

shauno 5:54 pm 18 Jan 14

CraigT said :

DrKoresh said :

Masquara said :

Are you saying the IPA was misquoting these people?

Where does he say that Masquara? Don’t be so blatantly disingenuous.

On the whole it is apparent that the IPA doesn’t employ people who understand the issue, let alone anybody capable of objective analysis. The scribblings about Tim Flannery you see on the IPA are just part of the overall effort to spread doubt and confusion.

This spreading of doubt and confusion is quite an extensive enterprise being carried out by dishonest purveyors of anti-social ideology, as detailed here:
http://www.slideshare.net/pedageo/dealing-indoubt

“Doubt is our product, since it is the best means of competing with the ‘body of fact'”.
They don’t have facts on their side, hence the fabricated quotes, the cherry-picked and out-of-context factoids strung together to give the appearance of a controversy, and above all, the personal attacks on the real scientists.

And then there are the dupes of this denial industry – the likes of Roundhead here, who is clearly so very very proud to belong to this bunch of intellectual dunces who can’t tell the difference between fact and a controversy manufactured by paid PR-merchants.

Im fairly certain you can find almost identical quotes from the 16th century on people defending flat Earth.

CraigT 4:34 pm 18 Jan 14

DrKoresh said :

Masquara said :

Are you saying the IPA was misquoting these people?

Where does he say that Masquara? Don’t be so blatantly disingenuous.

On the whole it is apparent that the IPA doesn’t employ people who understand the issue, let alone anybody capable of objective analysis. The scribblings about Tim Flannery you see on the IPA are just part of the overall effort to spread doubt and confusion.

This spreading of doubt and confusion is quite an extensive enterprise being carried out by dishonest purveyors of anti-social ideology, as detailed here:
http://www.slideshare.net/pedageo/dealing-indoubt

“Doubt is our product, since it is the best means of competing with the ‘body of fact'”.
They don’t have facts on their side, hence the fabricated quotes, the cherry-picked and out-of-context factoids strung together to give the appearance of a controversy, and above all, the personal attacks on the real scientists.

And then there are the dupes of this denial industry – the likes of Roundhead here, who is clearly so very very proud to belong to this bunch of intellectual dunces who can’t tell the difference between fact and a controversy manufactured by paid PR-merchants.

IrishPete 4:09 pm 18 Jan 14

Masquara said :

IrishPete said :

Masquara said :

It has of course in all seriousness been suggested by Tim Flannery acolytes that democracy should be “suspended” and totalitarian government (Kim Il Rattenbury, anyone?) introduced for the sake of addressing climate change…
http://ipa.org.au/publications/1888/tim-flannery-climate-prophet

The Institute of Public Affairs. Your first port of call for advice on climate change, human rights, well anything really. Though I really think you should start with Miranda Devine.

I don’t think I have ever deliberately listened to, nor read, a word Tim Flannery has said. Making a debate about an issue into a debate about the credibility of one person, is a classic tactic. Because every person has faults that you can then use to undermine their argument.

Address the issue, folks, not the people.

IP

Are you saying the IPA was misquoting these people?

Did you even read it? That IPA article includes no quotes from Tim Flannery supporting your assertion, or theirs, about democracy being suspended. They in fact attribute that statement to Clive Hamilton, who denies ever having said it, so although it’s all over the internet (as are his denials) I couldn’t find where/when he was supposed to have said it (http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/45004.html for his explanation of its origins). They also quote Clive Hamilton being quite critical of Flannery’s grandstanding (my word, not his). Some acolyte he is, then. Even if he did say it, tarring Flannery with Hamilton’s statements is a really long bow – they’re not joined at the lips.

But frankly, if they can suspend democratic processes to deal with the issue of a few thousand asylum seekers, it is the Liberal-National Coalition you should be concerned about when it comes to democracy.

I don’t care whether Flannery or Hamilton, or Milne or Rattenbury are good ambassadors for the science – I care about the science, in fact the common sense, that digging up and burning coal that has been locked away for quite a long time, is bad for the environment. It can be only one of three things – good for the environment, bad for it, or neutral effect. The first is inconceivable, the second is conceivable and the third is also conceivable (though unlikely when you think about it). So given that it can only be having a neutral or negative impact on the environment, why not slow down its use? A secondary benefit is that it and other fossil fuels will last longer, so your grandkids (or great grandkids – I don’t know your age) may get to hear and feel and smell a V8 petrol engine.

IP

Masquara 3:53 pm 18 Jan 14

DrKoresh said :

Masquara said :

Are you saying the IPA was misquoting these people?

Where does he say that Masquara? Don’t be so blatantly disingenuous.

Not at all. The IPA link was quoting, not original commentary. Therefore any objections to the statements should assume the quotes are valid, or go to source.

DrKoresh 3:40 pm 18 Jan 14

Masquara said :

Are you saying the IPA was misquoting these people?

Where does he say that Masquara? Don’t be so blatantly disingenuous.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 3:25 pm 18 Jan 14

IrishPete said :

Masquara said :

It has of course in all seriousness been suggested by Tim Flannery acolytes that democracy should be “suspended” and totalitarian government (Kim Il Rattenbury, anyone?) introduced for the sake of addressing climate change…
http://ipa.org.au/publications/1888/tim-flannery-climate-prophet

The Institute of Public Affairs. Your first port of call for advice on climate change, human rights, well anything really. Though I really think you should start with Miranda Devine.

I don’t think I have ever deliberately listened to, nor read, a word Tim Flannery has said. Making a debate about an issue into a debate about the credibility of one person, is a classic tactic. Because every person has faults that you can then use to undermine their argument.

Address the issue, folks, not the people.

IP

But if they do that, they realise they have zero argument.

Masquara 3:21 pm 18 Jan 14

IrishPete said :

Masquara said :

It has of course in all seriousness been suggested by Tim Flannery acolytes that democracy should be “suspended” and totalitarian government (Kim Il Rattenbury, anyone?) introduced for the sake of addressing climate change…
http://ipa.org.au/publications/1888/tim-flannery-climate-prophet

The Institute of Public Affairs. Your first port of call for advice on climate change, human rights, well anything really. Though I really think you should start with Miranda Devine.

I don’t think I have ever deliberately listened to, nor read, a word Tim Flannery has said. Making a debate about an issue into a debate about the credibility of one person, is a classic tactic. Because every person has faults that you can then use to undermine their argument.

Address the issue, folks, not the people.

IP

Are you saying the IPA was misquoting these people?

IrishPete 3:18 pm 18 Jan 14

PantsMan said :

Climate change is a socialist conspiracy to radically redistribute wealth, introduce central economic planning and mass social control, deindustrialise the western world and impose an agrarian autarky, and implement a one world government.

Shane Rattenbury is a deranged, dangerious loon..

I think your tin-foil slip is showing.

IP

IrishPete 3:17 pm 18 Jan 14

Masquara said :

It has of course in all seriousness been suggested by Tim Flannery acolytes that democracy should be “suspended” and totalitarian government (Kim Il Rattenbury, anyone?) introduced for the sake of addressing climate change…
http://ipa.org.au/publications/1888/tim-flannery-climate-prophet

The Institute of Public Affairs. Your first port of call for advice on climate change, human rights, well anything really. Though I really think you should start with Miranda Devine.

I don’t think I have ever deliberately listened to, nor read, a word Tim Flannery has said. Making a debate about an issue into a debate about the credibility of one person, is a classic tactic. Because every person has faults that you can then use to undermine their argument.

Address the issue, folks, not the people.

IP

PantsMan 2:46 pm 18 Jan 14

Masquara said :

PantsMan said :

This just in from the UN:

China, the top emitter of greenhouse gases, is also the country that’s “doing it right” when it comes to addressing global warming, the United Nations’ chief climate official said.

The nation has some of the toughest energy-efficiency standards for buildings and transportation and its support for photovoltaic technology helped reduce solar-panel costs by 80 percent since 2008, Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change, said yesterday in an interview at Bloomberg News headquarters in New York.

The country is facing growing public pressure from citizens to reduce air pollution, due in large part to burning coal. Its efforts to promote energy efficiency and renewable power stem from the realization that doing so will pay off in the long term, Figueres said.

“They actually want to breathe air that they don’t have to look at,” she said. “They’re not doing this because they want to save the planet. They’re doing it because it’s in their national interest.”

China is also able to implement policies because its political system avoids some of the legislative hurdles seen in countries including the U.S., Figueres said.

Key policies, reforms and appointments are decided at plenums, or meeting of the governing Communist Party’s more than 200-strong Central Committee. The National People’s Congress, China’s unicameral legislature, largely enforces decisions made by the party and other executive organs.

The political divide in the U.S. Congress has slowed efforts to pass climate legislation and is “very detrimental” to the fight against global warming, she said.

Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-13/top-global-emitter-china-best-on-climate-change-figueres-says.html

Clearly, democracy is the problem and we should now adopt a totalitarian communist system like China.

It has of course in all seriousness been suggested by Tim Flannery acolytes that democracy should be “suspended” and totalitarian government (Kim Il Rattenbury, anyone?) introduced for the sake of addressing climate change…
http://ipa.org.au/publications/1888/tim-flannery-climate-prophet

These people are a threat to the fabric of Australian democracy.

As Shane Rattenbury has himself said that sometimes it is OK to take the law into one’s own hands, such as in relation to the CSIRO and GM crops (where he strangely refused to “trust the science.”).

Does this mean that I can assassinate Shane Rattenbury?

Masquara 2:21 pm 18 Jan 14

PantsMan said :

This just in from the UN:

China, the top emitter of greenhouse gases, is also the country that’s “doing it right” when it comes to addressing global warming, the United Nations’ chief climate official said.

The nation has some of the toughest energy-efficiency standards for buildings and transportation and its support for photovoltaic technology helped reduce solar-panel costs by 80 percent since 2008, Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change, said yesterday in an interview at Bloomberg News headquarters in New York.

The country is facing growing public pressure from citizens to reduce air pollution, due in large part to burning coal. Its efforts to promote energy efficiency and renewable power stem from the realization that doing so will pay off in the long term, Figueres said.

“They actually want to breathe air that they don’t have to look at,” she said. “They’re not doing this because they want to save the planet. They’re doing it because it’s in their national interest.”

China is also able to implement policies because its political system avoids some of the legislative hurdles seen in countries including the U.S., Figueres said.

Key policies, reforms and appointments are decided at plenums, or meeting of the governing Communist Party’s more than 200-strong Central Committee. The National People’s Congress, China’s unicameral legislature, largely enforces decisions made by the party and other executive organs.

The political divide in the U.S. Congress has slowed efforts to pass climate legislation and is “very detrimental” to the fight against global warming, she said.

Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-13/top-global-emitter-china-best-on-climate-change-figueres-says.html

Clearly, democracy is the problem and we should now adopt a totalitarian communist system like China.

It has of course in all seriousness been suggested by Tim Flannery acolytes that democracy should be “suspended” and totalitarian government (Kim Il Rattenbury, anyone?) introduced for the sake of addressing climate change…
http://ipa.org.au/publications/1888/tim-flannery-climate-prophet

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 2:15 pm 18 Jan 14

DrKoresh said :

PantsMan said :

Climate change is a socialist conspiracy to radically redistribute wealth, introduce central economic planning and mass social control, deindustrialise the western world and impose an agrarian autarky, and implement a one world government.

Shane Rattenbury is a deranged, dangerious loon..

I’ve never heard more ridiculous s*** in my life you deluded, paranoid idiot.

In other words, a nut!

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