Time to shine climate nuts! Mayor Rattenbury opens the gates of hell!

Masquara said :

IrishPete said :

Masquara said :

It has of course in all seriousness been suggested by Tim Flannery acolytes that democracy should be “suspended” and totalitarian government (Kim Il Rattenbury, anyone?) introduced for the sake of addressing climate change…
http://ipa.org.au/publications/1888/tim-flannery-climate-prophet

The Institute of Public Affairs. Your first port of call for advice on climate change, human rights, well anything really. Though I really think you should start with Miranda Devine.

I don’t think I have ever deliberately listened to, nor read, a word Tim Flannery has said. Making a debate about an issue into a debate about the credibility of one person, is a classic tactic. Because every person has faults that you can then use to undermine their argument.

Address the issue, folks, not the people.

IP

Are you saying the IPA was misquoting these people?

Did you even read it? That IPA article includes no quotes from Tim Flannery supporting your assertion, or theirs, about democracy being suspended. They in fact attribute that statement to Clive Hamilton, who denies ever having said it, so although it’s all over the internet (as are his denials) I couldn’t find where/when he was supposed to have said it (http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/45004.html for his explanation of its origins). They also quote Clive Hamilton being quite critical of Flannery’s grandstanding (my word, not his). Some acolyte he is, then. Even if he did say it, tarring Flannery with Hamilton’s statements is a really long bow – they’re not joined at the lips.

But frankly, if they can suspend democratic processes to deal with the issue of a few thousand asylum seekers, it is the Liberal-National Coalition you should be concerned about when it comes to democracy.

I don’t care whether Flannery or Hamilton, or Milne or Rattenbury are good ambassadors for the science – I care about the science, in fact the common sense, that digging up and burning coal that has been locked away for quite a long time, is bad for the environment. It can be only one of three things – good for the environment, bad for it, or neutral effect. The first is inconceivable, the second is conceivable and the third is also conceivable (though unlikely when you think about it). So given that it can only be having a neutral or negative impact on the environment, why not slow down its use? A secondary benefit is that it and other fossil fuels will last longer, so your grandkids (or great grandkids – I don’t know your age) may get to hear and feel and smell a V8 petrol engine.

IP

DrKoresh said :

Masquara said :

Are you saying the IPA was misquoting these people?

Where does he say that Masquara? Don’t be so blatantly disingenuous.

Not at all. The IPA link was quoting, not original commentary. Therefore any objections to the statements should assume the quotes are valid, or go to source.

Masquara said :

Are you saying the IPA was misquoting these people?

Where does he say that Masquara? Don’t be so blatantly disingenuous.

IrishPete said :

Masquara said :

It has of course in all seriousness been suggested by Tim Flannery acolytes that democracy should be “suspended” and totalitarian government (Kim Il Rattenbury, anyone?) introduced for the sake of addressing climate change…
http://ipa.org.au/publications/1888/tim-flannery-climate-prophet

The Institute of Public Affairs. Your first port of call for advice on climate change, human rights, well anything really. Though I really think you should start with Miranda Devine.

I don’t think I have ever deliberately listened to, nor read, a word Tim Flannery has said. Making a debate about an issue into a debate about the credibility of one person, is a classic tactic. Because every person has faults that you can then use to undermine their argument.

Address the issue, folks, not the people.

IP

But if they do that, they realise they have zero argument.

IrishPete said :

Masquara said :

It has of course in all seriousness been suggested by Tim Flannery acolytes that democracy should be “suspended” and totalitarian government (Kim Il Rattenbury, anyone?) introduced for the sake of addressing climate change…
http://ipa.org.au/publications/1888/tim-flannery-climate-prophet

The Institute of Public Affairs. Your first port of call for advice on climate change, human rights, well anything really. Though I really think you should start with Miranda Devine.

I don’t think I have ever deliberately listened to, nor read, a word Tim Flannery has said. Making a debate about an issue into a debate about the credibility of one person, is a classic tactic. Because every person has faults that you can then use to undermine their argument.

Address the issue, folks, not the people.

IP

Are you saying the IPA was misquoting these people?

PantsMan said :

Climate change is a socialist conspiracy to radically redistribute wealth, introduce central economic planning and mass social control, deindustrialise the western world and impose an agrarian autarky, and implement a one world government.

Shane Rattenbury is a deranged, dangerious loon..

I think your tin-foil slip is showing.

IP

Masquara said :

It has of course in all seriousness been suggested by Tim Flannery acolytes that democracy should be “suspended” and totalitarian government (Kim Il Rattenbury, anyone?) introduced for the sake of addressing climate change…
http://ipa.org.au/publications/1888/tim-flannery-climate-prophet

The Institute of Public Affairs. Your first port of call for advice on climate change, human rights, well anything really. Though I really think you should start with Miranda Devine.

I don’t think I have ever deliberately listened to, nor read, a word Tim Flannery has said. Making a debate about an issue into a debate about the credibility of one person, is a classic tactic. Because every person has faults that you can then use to undermine their argument.

Address the issue, folks, not the people.

IP

Masquara said :

PantsMan said :

This just in from the UN:

China, the top emitter of greenhouse gases, is also the country that’s “doing it right” when it comes to addressing global warming, the United Nations’ chief climate official said.

The nation has some of the toughest energy-efficiency standards for buildings and transportation and its support for photovoltaic technology helped reduce solar-panel costs by 80 percent since 2008, Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change, said yesterday in an interview at Bloomberg News headquarters in New York.

The country is facing growing public pressure from citizens to reduce air pollution, due in large part to burning coal. Its efforts to promote energy efficiency and renewable power stem from the realization that doing so will pay off in the long term, Figueres said.

“They actually want to breathe air that they don’t have to look at,” she said. “They’re not doing this because they want to save the planet. They’re doing it because it’s in their national interest.”

China is also able to implement policies because its political system avoids some of the legislative hurdles seen in countries including the U.S., Figueres said.

Key policies, reforms and appointments are decided at plenums, or meeting of the governing Communist Party’s more than 200-strong Central Committee. The National People’s Congress, China’s unicameral legislature, largely enforces decisions made by the party and other executive organs.

The political divide in the U.S. Congress has slowed efforts to pass climate legislation and is “very detrimental” to the fight against global warming, she said.

Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-13/top-global-emitter-china-best-on-climate-change-figueres-says.html

Clearly, democracy is the problem and we should now adopt a totalitarian communist system like China.

It has of course in all seriousness been suggested by Tim Flannery acolytes that democracy should be “suspended” and totalitarian government (Kim Il Rattenbury, anyone?) introduced for the sake of addressing climate change…
http://ipa.org.au/publications/1888/tim-flannery-climate-prophet

These people are a threat to the fabric of Australian democracy.

As Shane Rattenbury has himself said that sometimes it is OK to take the law into one’s own hands, such as in relation to the CSIRO and GM crops (where he strangely refused to “trust the science.”).

Does this mean that I can assassinate Shane Rattenbury?

PantsMan said :

This just in from the UN:

China, the top emitter of greenhouse gases, is also the country that’s “doing it right” when it comes to addressing global warming, the United Nations’ chief climate official said.

The nation has some of the toughest energy-efficiency standards for buildings and transportation and its support for photovoltaic technology helped reduce solar-panel costs by 80 percent since 2008, Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change, said yesterday in an interview at Bloomberg News headquarters in New York.

The country is facing growing public pressure from citizens to reduce air pollution, due in large part to burning coal. Its efforts to promote energy efficiency and renewable power stem from the realization that doing so will pay off in the long term, Figueres said.

“They actually want to breathe air that they don’t have to look at,” she said. “They’re not doing this because they want to save the planet. They’re doing it because it’s in their national interest.”

China is also able to implement policies because its political system avoids some of the legislative hurdles seen in countries including the U.S., Figueres said.

Key policies, reforms and appointments are decided at plenums, or meeting of the governing Communist Party’s more than 200-strong Central Committee. The National People’s Congress, China’s unicameral legislature, largely enforces decisions made by the party and other executive organs.

The political divide in the U.S. Congress has slowed efforts to pass climate legislation and is “very detrimental” to the fight against global warming, she said.

Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-13/top-global-emitter-china-best-on-climate-change-figueres-says.html

Clearly, democracy is the problem and we should now adopt a totalitarian communist system like China.

It has of course in all seriousness been suggested by Tim Flannery acolytes that democracy should be “suspended” and totalitarian government (Kim Il Rattenbury, anyone?) introduced for the sake of addressing climate change…
http://ipa.org.au/publications/1888/tim-flannery-climate-prophet

DrKoresh said :

PantsMan said :

Climate change is a socialist conspiracy to radically redistribute wealth, introduce central economic planning and mass social control, deindustrialise the western world and impose an agrarian autarky, and implement a one world government.

Shane Rattenbury is a deranged, dangerious loon..

I’ve never heard more ridiculous s*** in my life you deluded, paranoid idiot.

In other words, a nut!

I forwarded on the mayors press release to friends in Chicago in order to cheer them up.

PantsMan said :

Climate change is a socialist conspiracy to radically redistribute wealth, introduce central economic planning and mass social control, deindustrialise the western world and impose an agrarian autarky, and implement a one world government.

Shane Rattenbury is a deranged, dangerious loon..

I’ve never heard more ridiculous s*** in my life you deluded, paranoid idiot.

PantsMan said :

Climate change is a socialist conspiracy to radically redistribute wealth, introduce central economic planning and mass social control, deindustrialise the western world and impose an agrarian autarky, and implement a one world government.

Shane Rattenbury is a deranged, dangerious loon..

People arguing against a world government presumably are also against the Australia Commonwealth Government. Because it’s exactly the same principle.

And it’s always interesting that some Climate Change non-believers still think that Climate Change = Global Warming. I think the current scientific consensus is greater variability in climate/weather, i.e. more extremes, of heat and cold. Sound familiar? Well, it’s too early to judge, but I’d rather we never got to the point where it is proven beyond all doubt.

IP

Roundhead89 said :

shauno said :

Yep and Im going to start a .org domain and just as Kangaroo reproduction expert Tim Flannery does but opposite I’ll put out studies in the middle of Northern Hemisphere cold front weather to counteract Tim’s studies coming out in the middle of Australian Summer heat waves.

Glad you brought up the subject of the .org domain being abused by the climate change brigade to spread left wing political propaganda. A couple of years ago I was watching One HD TV and was shocked to see a “Community Service Announcement” spruiking something called the “One Million Women For Climate Change”. It was all highly political, both the feminist content and the pro-climate change bumph.

Knowing that the broadcast rules state that TV stations must broadcast a certain quota of Community Service announcements free of charge I was shocked that this highly political material was being being shown. I contacted ACMA and said that this ad should be reclassified political advertising and should be paid for. The ad disappeared from the screen and thankfully we have not heard from the “One Million Women For Climate Change” since.

Yep, never heard from again. http://www.1millionwomen.com.au/

There’s a website called Google. I find it quite useful. You should try it.

Domain names are inadequately regulated – the au ones are more regulated than the ones without a country specifier, but it’s still pretty slack I think. The ones without the country specifier are also cheaper.

IP

Roundhead89 said :

shauno said :

Yep and Im going to start a .org domain and just as Kangaroo reproduction expert Tim Flannery does but opposite I’ll put out studies in the middle of Northern Hemisphere cold front weather to counteract Tim’s studies coming out in the middle of Australian Summer heat waves.

Glad you brought up the subject of the .org domain being abused by the climate change brigade to spread left wing political propaganda. A couple of years ago I was watching One HD TV and was shocked to see a “Community Service Announcement” spruiking something called the “One Million Women For Climate Change”. It was all highly political, both the feminist content and the pro-climate change bumph.

Knowing that the broadcast rules state that TV stations must broadcast a certain quota of Community Service announcements free of charge I was shocked that this highly political material was being being shown. I contacted ACMA and said that this ad should be reclassified political advertising and should be paid for. The ad disappeared from the screen and thankfully we have not heard from the “One Million Women For Climate Change” since.

It’s amusing to see you paint yourself into the corner by labelling facts you don’t like as “left-wing propaganda”.

You realise how counterproductive this is for the credibility of your political ideology?
If the facts are all left-wing, and you aren’t left-wing, your ideology obviously relies on non-facts.

downindowner said :

John your headline is not helping things. Climate nuts? Not sure what your idea of nut is, but this sort of divisive language only creates more animosity.

Climate nuts have chosen division. They refuse to accept reality but cling instead to some sort of idiotic superstitious belief which flies in the face of facts as we know them.
If it were merely harmless stupidity, it would just be amusing, but these people are very dangerous: if we continue pumping CO2 in the atmosphere and refuse to clean up our act, the sea will heat to a dangerous level, endangering our food supply and the sea level rise it causes will endanger coastal properties.

This just in from the UN:

China, the top emitter of greenhouse gases, is also the country that’s “doing it right” when it comes to addressing global warming, the United Nations’ chief climate official said.

The nation has some of the toughest energy-efficiency standards for buildings and transportation and its support for photovoltaic technology helped reduce solar-panel costs by 80 percent since 2008, Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change, said yesterday in an interview at Bloomberg News headquarters in New York.

The country is facing growing public pressure from citizens to reduce air pollution, due in large part to burning coal. Its efforts to promote energy efficiency and renewable power stem from the realization that doing so will pay off in the long term, Figueres said.

“They actually want to breathe air that they don’t have to look at,” she said. “They’re not doing this because they want to save the planet. They’re doing it because it’s in their national interest.”

China is also able to implement policies because its political system avoids some of the legislative hurdles seen in countries including the U.S., Figueres said.

Key policies, reforms and appointments are decided at plenums, or meeting of the governing Communist Party’s more than 200-strong Central Committee. The National People’s Congress, China’s unicameral legislature, largely enforces decisions made by the party and other executive organs.

The political divide in the U.S. Congress has slowed efforts to pass climate legislation and is “very detrimental” to the fight against global warming, she said.

Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-13/top-global-emitter-china-best-on-climate-change-figueres-says.html

Clearly, democracy is the problem and we should now adopt a totalitarian communist system like China.

downindowner said :

John your headline is not helping things. Climate nuts? Not sure what your idea of nut is, but this sort of divisive language only creates more animosity.

If they did not act like nuts then they would not get called nuts.

shauno said :

Yep and Im going to start a .org domain and just as Kangaroo reproduction expert Tim Flannery does but opposite I’ll put out studies in the middle of Northern Hemisphere cold front weather to counteract Tim’s studies coming out in the middle of Australian Summer heat waves.

Glad you brought up the subject of the .org domain being abused by the climate change brigade to spread left wing political propaganda. A couple of years ago I was watching One HD TV and was shocked to see a “Community Service Announcement” spruiking something called the “One Million Women For Climate Change”. It was all highly political, both the feminist content and the pro-climate change bumph.

Knowing that the broadcast rules state that TV stations must broadcast a certain quota of Community Service announcements free of charge I was shocked that this highly political material was being being shown. I contacted ACMA and said that this ad should be reclassified political advertising and should be paid for. The ad disappeared from the screen and thankfully we have not heard from the “One Million Women For Climate Change” since.

John your headline is not helping things. Climate nuts? Not sure what your idea of nut is, but this sort of divisive language only creates more animosity.

http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/01/three-arguments-about-climate-change-that-should-never-be-used/

Deref said :

We’re so lucky, and rarely grateful enough, that we have so many people on RA who are so much smarter than all those silly scientists.

Well played 😀

We haven’t even reached the temperatures of Canberra’s 1968 heat wave yet. I’d say a few days at 39 degrees would be a standard once-in-20-years matter for our hot, dry summer climate … 1968 apparently went over 42.2, Shane Rattenbury!

Silentforce said :

Why does no one question weather records used to compare todays events to former events date between 20 years ago and onwards? wasn’t the precedent set then?

I recall when refrigeration repair firms hoped for consistent temps’ in Canberra above 36 degrees; a lot of overtime, exorbitant after hours call out fees and profitable compressor changes.

eh?

Yep and Im going to start a .org domain and just as Kangaroo reproduction expert Tim Flannery does but opposite I’ll put out studies in the middle of Northern Hemisphere cold front weather to counteract Tim’s studies coming out in the middle of Australian Summer heat waves.

Climate change is a socialist conspiracy to radically redistribute wealth, introduce central economic planning and mass social control, deindustrialise the western world and impose an agrarian autarky, and implement a one world government.

Shane Rattenbury is a deranged, dangerious loon..

Silentforce said :

Why does no one question weather records used to compare todays events to former events date between 20 years ago and onwards? .

Because that’s how science works. Nobody ever questions anything in science, and no scientist ever points it out when another scientist has failed to question something.

You will probably be nominated for a Nobel Prize for your stunning insight into questioning things, an insight that has eluded the hundreds of thousands of working scientists with IQs high in the 3-figures.

Alternatively, you are an ignorant chump.

Hmm…where would Tom Waterhouse put his money…?

Why does no one question weather records used to compare todays events to former events date between 20 years ago and onwards? wasn’t the precedent set then?

I recall when refrigeration repair firms hoped for consistent temps’ in Canberra above 36 degrees; a lot of overtime, exorbitant after hours call out fees and profitable compressor changes.

IrishPete said :

maxblues said :

Maybe Rats is feeling the heat after Tasmanian Labor sacked the two Green MPs from the minority government and then called an election. Premier Giddings acknowledged that the punters are not happy with the govt performance and are now throwing the Greens overboard. Rats and sinking ships?

Not sure that metaphor works. Rats voluntarily leave a sinking ship. The Tasmanian Greens Ministers were told “don’t come to work tomorrow”. Oddly it all seems to have been done in very good humour – I saw some Tweets reproduced somewhere saying “no hard feelings” and stuff like that.

IP

Not only were the Greens awarded the DCM, they were also given a long weekend as well and you’re right, it is humorous.

All the Greens have had heat stroke this week. I bet the ABC is dribbling as well this week .

Holden Caulfield said :

davo101 said :

kicking off the most annoying argument known to man

I think the “my imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend” argument is far more annoying. How much pain, suffering and death has this brought us down through history?

OMFG, AREN’T YOU LISTENING!

The pain, suffering and death is coming. We’ve just had four stinking hot days. I ask you, how many horsemen of the apocalypse are there?

What more proof could one possibly need.

You are missing the key word here: most. Yes global warming arguments are annoying. However, there are people out there, right now, killing other people because of difference in opinion about a mutually imagined friend.

davo101 said :

kicking off the most annoying argument known to man

I think the “my imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend” argument is far more annoying. How much pain, suffering and death has this brought us down through history?

yebbut, what’s your imaginary friend doing about this damn climate change, huh?

wildturkeycanoe said :

Our entire nation could do everything in it’s power to stop global warming locally, but as has been pointed out by those in the know, we only contribute around 1.5% of global CO2 emissions. If we stopped producing it altogether, it wouldn’t make a speck of difference until China, USA and the EU change their ways [which they won’t].

More ignorant bafflegob from a fossil-fuel dupe.

Here is what the Eu have been doing with vehicle emissions:
http://www.smmt.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/New_car_CO2_2012_to_2020.png

The EU has a target of 20% reduction,
http://ec.europa.eu/clima/policies/package/index_en.htm
here is how Germany is travelling:
http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/emis/graphics/gerpc.gif

OECD average for renewables as a proportion of all electricity generation:
http://cdn.static-economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/290-width/images/print-edition/20120728_EUC696.png
(Even the US is investing heavily in renewables).

And finally, no country is doing as much as China is as far as investing in renewables:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_China

They’re all doing their bit, even the US. Australia is doing three fifths of #@%$all. We have a lot of catching up to do to take care of our share. If we had invested in new technologies 30 years ago, we would be the ones exporting turbines and solar plant all around the world, instead it is the Denmark, Spain and China that are raking in the money from these technologies while Australia’s un-modernised manufacturing continues to collapse due to the influence of unimaginative do-nothings who refuse to see the path to future prosperity.
It’s about doing the right thing, investing in future technologies, and modernising our economy.

Garfield said :

Rollersk8r said :

MERC600 said :

Fortunately speed cushions also fight climate change, with all the improved pedestrian safety and whatnot, especially in outer suburbia…

I would have said that speed cushions fight against climate change as they require vehicles to brake and then accelerate again thus using more fuel than necessary. My car tells me how much fuel I’m using at any given moment and the petrol saved when slowing down is more than offset by the amount used when speeding up. Unless I’m mistaken doesn’t more fuel used equal more CO2 emitted?

I was clearly joking – although Rattenbury would have you believe that slowing cars down everywhere encourages walking and cycling…

davo101 said :

kicking off the most annoying argument known to man

I think the “my imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend” argument is far more annoying. How much pain, suffering and death has this brought us down through history?

OMFG, AREN’T YOU LISTENING!

The pain, suffering and death is coming. We’ve just had four stinking hot days. I ask you, how many horsemen of the apocalypse are there?

What more proof could one possibly need.

We’re so lucky, and rarely grateful enough, that we have so many people on RA who are so much smarter than all those silly scientists.

wildturkeycanoe said :

“Heatwaves are hotter, lasting longer and occurring more frequently, increasing the risk and severity of bushfires and drought. The Abbott Government’s failure to take action on global warming is negligent.”
And how was Tony supposed to prevent these heatwaves when he has only been in power for less than 6 months? A little less political hot air would be nice.
Our entire nation could do everything in it’s power to stop global warming locally, but as has been pointed out by those in the know, we only contribute around 1.5% of global CO2 emissions. If we stopped producing it altogether, it wouldn’t make a speck of difference until China, USA and the EU change their ways [which they won’t]. We are doomed suffer the consequences because money talks and those who have the money talk louder than environmentalists.

Been talking to mr g, have we?

“Heatwaves are hotter, lasting longer and occurring more frequently, increasing the risk and severity of bushfires and drought. The Abbott Government’s failure to take action on global warming is negligent.”
And how was Tony supposed to prevent these heatwaves when he has only been in power for less than 6 months? A little less political hot air would be nice.
Our entire nation could do everything in it’s power to stop global warming locally, but as has been pointed out by those in the know, we only contribute around 1.5% of global CO2 emissions. If we stopped producing it altogether, it wouldn’t make a speck of difference until China, USA and the EU change their ways [which they won’t]. We are doomed suffer the consequences because money talks and those who have the money talk louder than environmentalists.

Roundhead89 said :

OMG! Do we have to go through this all again? When will the climate change brigade get it through their thick green heads that they will never win this argument, blah blah blah

It is not those who accept facts, data and reality that have thick heads.

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/change/index.shtml#tabs=Tracker&tracker=extremes-timeseries&tQ%5Bgraph%5D=TN90&tQ%5Bave_yr%5D=0

Climate change is as real as continental drift. Doesn’t stop the nutters from denying reality, and the fact that they refuse to accept that reality is what makes those argumentative nutters so annoying.

Roundhead89 said :

OMG! Do we have to go through this all again? When will the climate change brigade get it through their thick green heads that they will never win this argument, and no amount of Chicken Little armageddon nonsense every time the temperature goes above 30 degrees during summer will make people take them seriously.

Effing lol, dude, you are the one who can’t be taken seriously. Science wins, not some denying nutter.

CLIMATE CHANGE IS CRAP!

maxblues said :

Maybe Rats is feeling the heat after Tasmanian Labor sacked the two Green MPs from the minority government and then called an election. Premier Giddings acknowledged that the punters are not happy with the govt performance and are now throwing the Greens overboard. Rats and sinking ships?

Not sure that metaphor works. Rats voluntarily leave a sinking ship. The Tasmanian Greens Ministers were told “don’t come to work tomorrow”. Oddly it all seems to have been done in very good humour – I saw some Tweets reproduced somewhere saying “no hard feelings” and stuff like that.

IP

It is undoubtedly the most annoying argument known to man, but refusing to have that argument is just surrendering the field to the denialists when all the intellectually rigourous ammunition is on one side and loud and aggressive noise is the main weapon of the denialists.

Roundhead89 said :

OMG! Do we have to go through this all again? When will the climate change brigade get it through their thick green heads that they will never win this argument, and no amount of Chicken Little armageddon nonsense every time the temperature goes above 30 degrees during summer will make people take them seriously.

You mean the same way that the Alan Jones brigade use every occasion they need to wear a cardigan as proof that climate change is crap?

They can’t both be right.

I think I’ll go with the side that has the vast majority of scientific evidence and peer reviewed research thanks.

MERC600 said :

Ah good he’s back.

Must ring about me street potholes.

Answer: “The ACT is a national leader in traffic frustration, sorry, calming, and we are taking decisive action to avoid the worst impacts of inverted potholes…”

Rollersk8r said :

MERC600 said :

Fortunately speed cushions also fight climate change, with all the improved pedestrian safety and whatnot, especially in outer suburbia…

I would have said that speed cushions fight against climate change as they require vehicles to brake and then accelerate again thus using more fuel than necessary. My car tells me how much fuel I’m using at any given moment and the petrol saved when slowing down is more than offset by the amount used when speeding up. Unless I’m mistaken doesn’t more fuel used equal more CO2 emitted?

maxblues said :

Maybe Rats is feeling the heat after Tasmanian Labor sacked the two Green MPs from the minority government and then called an election. Premier Giddings acknowledged that the punters are not happy with the govt performance and are now throwing the Greens overboard. Rats and sinking ships?

For those that missed it, the Greens were made to walk the plank only yesterday.

….”Of course in a small non-industrial city like Canberra it is largely symbolic, but leading by example is morally better than waiting for everyone else to act first. “…. [IrishPete #7]

Yes, that was essentially my point – “decisive action to avoid…” might conjure up images of a Monty Burns style sun-shield for Canberra, which I assume is unlikely…. Perhaps the heat, and the heat of the moment, would explain the over-enthusiastic wording.

MERC600 said :

Ah good he’s back.

Must ring about me street potholes.

No don’t do that – you’ll just end up with speed cushions! 😛 Fortunately speed cushions also fight climate change, with all the improved pedestrian safety and whatnot, especially in outer suburbia…

HiddenDragon said :

Stanhope seemed to do quite well out of shaking his fists at Howard, so it’s hardly surprising that others should follow that lead.

I would be interested to know what, in practice, is meant by “we are taking decisive action to avoid the worst impacts of global warming”.

90% renewables by 2020? Though they don’t say what day. I presume it isn’t 2020 this evening, as the sun will have gone down by twenty past eight.

Of course in a small non-industrial city like Canberra it is largely symbolic, but leading by example is morally better than waiting for everyone else to act first.

But I can’t wait to see where the windfarms will go (because you aren’t going to get much solar PV at night). Perhaps some of the dams could have small hydro-electric power stations, like ACTEW did in Burra.

I do hope it’s not like Jon Stanhope’s No Waste 2010 which turned out not to be either a time or a year, which he dealt with by becoming No Stanhope 2011.

IP

Maybe Rats is feeling the heat after Tasmanian Labor sacked the two Green MPs from the minority government and then called an election. Premier Giddings acknowledged that the punters are not happy with the govt performance and are now throwing the Greens overboard. Rats and sinking ships?

Ah good he’s back.

Must ring about me street potholes.

Stanhope seemed to do quite well out of shaking his fists at Howard, so it’s hardly surprising that others should follow that lead.

I would be interested to know what, in practice, is meant by “we are taking decisive action to avoid the worst impacts of global warming”.

kicking off the most annoying argument known to man

I think the “my imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend” argument is far more annoying. How much pain, suffering and death has this brought us down through history?

OMG! Do we have to go through this all again? When will the climate change brigade get it through their thick green heads that they will never win this argument, and no amount of Chicken Little armageddon nonsense every time the temperature goes above 30 degrees during summer will make people take them seriously.

Well, to be fair he is saying it as Greens MLA not a Government Minister, so he can say what he likes. Greens MPs at all levels have been saying this all over the media this week. Apart perhaps from the Tasmania State MPs as they’re too busy being sacked from the Government.

Though I’m a paid up member of the Climate Nuts Party, I think I would have been more circumspect and said “we are experiencing firsthand the impacts that climate change will have in our city”, as it would take some of the wind out of the sails of the “one swallow doesn’t make a summer” and “one speck of rain on my window pane… [Google it]” Brigade.

IP