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Toot Toot! Greens promise light rail rollout by 2015

By johnboy - 30 August 2012 66

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Showing the other parties what policy development looks like the Greens have announced a plan for light rail as well as a handy summary:

The ACT Greens will:

— Commit to building light rail for Canberra
— $200 million initial Government funding committed to light rail;
— An ACT-wide light rail master plan, covering existing and developing areas;
— Construction on Canberra’s first light rail route beginning by 2015.

— Independently manage the project through the Canberra Urban Transit Authority, a new independent body to design, cost and manage funding and construction of light rail in Canberra.

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Toot Toot! Greens promise light rail rollout by 2015
zippyzippy 2:16 pm 30 Aug 12

Mark of Sydney said :

The Greens’ policy document claims that ‘Portland’s very successful light rail system was approved when its population was 366,000’.

A quick Wikipedia search reveals that the Portland metropolitan area on the US north-western coast has a population of 2.2 million. The area served by its Max light rail system appears to have a population of about 1.8 million, and weekday passenger numbers average about 130,000 (half the ACT’s population).

If the Greens can’t get this basic level of analysis right, what does it say about the quality of their policy making generally?

Oh desperate haters.

Do some more of your Wikipedia research and you’ll see you’re talking about an area encompassing numerous cities, called the Portland Metropolitan Area.

The city of Portland, Oregon, is currently up to a population of 583,776. So I can believe its population was 366,000 when light rail was approved there.

If you can’t get this basic level of analysis right, what does it say about the quality of your comments generally?

housebound 2:14 pm 30 Aug 12

Intel70 said :

housebound said :

It’s a joke, right? Where are the Greens going to get $200 million from?

Same generic pool of money which the current government pulled $144 million for their contribution to the Majura Parkway?

But the Greens aren’t in government. How can they promise major spending on something that is opposed by their partners who do hold the purse strings?

This can only be a promise to lobby. It can’t be a promise to deliver.

Heavs 1:48 pm 30 Aug 12

Mark of Sydney said :

The Greens’ policy document claims that ‘Portland’s very successful light rail system was approved when its population was 366,000’.

A quick Wikipedia search reveals that the Portland metropolitan area on the US north-western coast has a population of 2.2 million. The area served by its Max light rail system appears to have a population of about 1.8 million, and weekday passenger numbers average about 130,000 (half the ACT’s population).

If the Greens can’t get this basic level of analysis right, what does it say about the quality of their policy making generally?

Comprehension fail much? There is a very important word in that first paragraph you threw up there which you seem to have overlooked in your otherwise extremely thorough wikipedia research. Read it again.

PA1 1:33 pm 30 Aug 12

Light metro is the way to go! Grade separated, fast, frequent and automated.

Mark of Sydney 1:31 pm 30 Aug 12

The Greens’ policy document claims that ‘Portland’s very successful light rail system was approved when its population was 366,000’.

A quick Wikipedia search reveals that the Portland metropolitan area on the US north-western coast has a population of 2.2 million. The area served by its Max light rail system appears to have a population of about 1.8 million, and weekday passenger numbers average about 130,000 (half the ACT’s population).

If the Greens can’t get this basic level of analysis right, what does it say about the quality of their policy making generally?

Mordd 1:01 pm 30 Aug 12

Hell yeah, bring it on! I have been waiting many years to see a proposal like this, this is the future of Canberra, the sooner the better!!

Intel70 12:44 pm 30 Aug 12

housebound said :

It’s a joke, right? Where are the Greens going to get $200 million from?

Same generic pool of money which the current government pulled $144 million for their contribution to the Majura Parkway?

dungfungus 12:42 pm 30 Aug 12

I have become a supporter of a light rail network for Canberra (and beyond using existing NSW heavy rail line to Queanbeyan, Bungendore via HQJOC). The Greens are only interested in the electricity “renewable energy” concept and they haven’t examined the latest technologies available namely the battery powered/catanery free systems now running in Europe.
The light rail network example The Greens have cited in Calgary, Alberta has 30 year old technology.
The infrastructure establishment costs are halved using the battery/catanery free system and energy can be stored in a battery farm so if the sun doesn’t shine and the wind stops blowing there will be adequate standby energy modules.
I can’t understand wht ACT Labor is falling over to be seen supporting electric cars (which I believe are next to useless) but they oppose a light rail network. Perhaps the people who control ACTION feel threatened?

HiddenDragon 12:32 pm 30 Aug 12

This financial year, the ACT Government is projecting a deficit of some $300 million. With the federal budget under increasing pressure, and households continuing to be cautious in their spending, the projected elimination of that deficit is looking increasingly wishful, at best. We also face the prospect of substantial Territory contributions towards the cost of federal initiatives such as the Gonski schools funding reforms, the National Disability Insurance Scheme, the prospective National Injury Insurance Scheme and the dental reform package announced yesterday. Add to that existing commitments such as an increasingly expensive health system and relatively high superannuation costs for ACT public servants with defined benefit entitlments (retiring in numbers over the next 5 to 10 years, I would guess), and a $200 million down-payment for this nice idea looks very, very optimistic, indeed.

If the Greens, or anyone else, wants to show us what serious policy development looks like, tell us clearly and honestly where the money will come from. A big commitment like this could only be funded by further increases in already high rates, which will be going much higher under Mr Barr’s planned changes, and substantial specific measures including, I suspect, much higher parking fees and other imposts to “encourage” greater use of public transport.

If it was all done on a strict user pays basis – which the Greens and Labor apparently think is appropriate in other areas (e.g. green waste removal) – and with the risks borne by the private sector (ha bloody ha) in the event that it’s an expensive flop, that would be fine, in the eyes of this taxpayer.

Deref 12:13 pm 30 Aug 12

housebound said :

It’s a joke, right? Where are the Greens going to get $200 million from?

$200M? I thought the last estimate was closer to $2 billion.

zippyzippy 12:10 pm 30 Aug 12

housebound said :

It’s a joke, right? Where are the Greens going to get $200 million from?

Forward budgets allocate billions of dollars for capital works. Just a matter of how it’s prioritised.

Hundreds of millions for government office blocks and new freeways?

Or a quality public transport system?

KaptnKaos 12:08 pm 30 Aug 12

It’s amazing what the “buy your vote” season brings out in the polli parties – next you will see that pay parking will be omitted from the ACT and cyclists will have a full car sized lane on every road. It’s also amazing that so many so-called “political promises” are trying to be completed by the current dictatorship – speaking of which, $200m is no where near the initial cost that the current dictatiories advised.

cmdwedge 11:59 am 30 Aug 12

housebound said :

It’s a joke, right? Where are the Greens going to get $200 million from?

Imaginationland.

crappicker 11:56 am 30 Aug 12

Well done Greens, for one, getting cars off the roads will help save our Wildlife!

housebound 11:18 am 30 Aug 12

It’s a joke, right? Where are the Greens going to get $200 million from?

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