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Transport for Canberra announced.

By johnboy - 7 October 2011 21

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Simon Corbell has Time to Talk website. Eventually.

UPDATE: Good things come to those who wait the draft policy is now online along with a fact sheet.

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Transport for Canberra announced.
creative_canberran 3:13 pm 10 Oct 11

zippyzippy said :

What a ridiculous assessment. First, no-one expects anyone to go and catch three buses and take two hours to get somewhere. The argument is that there should be frequent, fast services. Then people will use them.

Secondly, as more people use them, those services become less expensive; you need to put some effort in to actually get them patronized though.snort of a chicken and egg thing going on, and Canberra is still in the stage where we have crap service so hardly anyone uses it.

Thirdly, all public transport has to be subsidized to some extent, it’s part of the pay off for the overall benefits that having a good public transport system brings to the city. Canberrans are just like anyone else; bring a good transport system to us and we’ll use it.

Also, nightrider only ran for a short time with little chance for people to learn about it. I first heard about it after it finished! These things need some time. If, after one month, you go ‘oh no, it’s costing money, let’s cancel it!’, we’ll never ever get anywhere.

No sense of reality, just existing in a complete dream world.
Let’s debunk them one by one shall we:

zippyzippy said :

First, no-one expects anyone to go and catch three buses and take two hours to get somewhere. The argument is that there should be frequent, fast services. Then people will use them.

So basically run a huge bus network where busses go from everywhere to everywhere in order to avoid transfers?
Oh, and because the buses go everywhere, they either take very long, comprehensive routes that take a long time or more busses go on more targeted routes but carry one or two passengers.
How would you suggest it works? Proponents always make these broad statements about “frequent” and “fast” services but they never provide the substance.
In fact I’m willing to bet a subsidies car service would be better value.

zippyzippy said :

all public transport has to be subsidized to some extent, it’s part of the pay off for the overall benefits that having a good public transport system brings to the city. Canberrans are just like anyone else; bring a good transport system to us and we’ll use it.

And here comes the socialist style spin of public transport. We all pay for the greater good… even if less than 10% of us use it. How about putting the money into schools, hospitals and roads that 90% of us use?

zippyzippy said :

Also, nightrider only ran for a short time with little chance for people to learn about it. I first heard about it after it finished! These things need some time. If, after one month, you go ‘oh no, it’s costing money, let’s cancel it!’, we’ll never ever get anywhere.

Always have an excuse but never have an answer for making it work seems to be the only thing proponents can do.
If you first heard about it after it finished then you must be dumb or living in a cocoon. Their were ads in all media, posters and announcements in the news. If you missed all that, then it says more about public transport proponents than anything else.

zippyzippy 2:49 pm 10 Oct 11

creative_canberran said :

thy_dungeonman said :

creative_canberran said :

thy_dungeonman said :

creative_canberran said :

trevar said :

What great timing! 2012 is just around the corner, and this is the perfect way to celebrate the Centenary of the First Suggestion that Canberra Might Benefit from a Light Rail System!

Take light rail and shove it where the sun doesn’t shine. Cars rule, live with it.

What a great summation of the ACT Government’s attitude to transport

And that attitude is largely because the government can do maths.

South Canberra to North Canberra, off peak: 3 buses, 2hrs, 600m of walking – one way. http://maps.google.com.au/maps?saddr=Bonython,+Australian+Capital+Territory&daddr=Gunghalin+Concrete+Services,+Mitchell,+Australian+Capital+Territory&hl=en&sll=-35.335853,149.104385&sspn=0.466605,0.810242&geocode=FRdZ4_0dRNHiCCk1t7RQnMoXazEwWmmnbuoABQ%3BFQKo5v0dCrjjCCEkRLcdk1J8fg&vpsrc=0&dirflg=r&ttype=dep&date=10%2F10%2F11&time=10:00&noexp=0&noal=0&sort=def&mra=ls&t=h&z=12&start=0

Or in a car: one vehicle, comfortable, coffee allowed and it takes 20-30mins to cover the same distance.

Pity they can’t apply maths to the problem of space used by a bus versus space used by the same amount of people with each in a car.

That argument is such a cop out, it’s the common Greens fall back position, to say that you’re freeing up x number of meters of road by getting people on buses.
And it is true… in peak hour when you can cram buses to capacity.

Driving up Drakeford though in the middle of the day seeing a 50+ seat bus carrying one or two people though into the suburbs… the logic falls down.
And even where demand should be high like Saturday nights, the Nightrider system proved a horrible waste. We were paying more per passenger than had we just gotten those people a taxi.

Honestly, hundreds of millions on these projects just so a minority can feel like their eco warriors. Doesn’t work.

What a ridiculous assessment. First, no-one expects anyone to go and catch three buses and take two hours to get somewhere. The argument is that there should be frequent, fast services. Then people will use them.

Secondly, as more people use them, those services become less expensive; you need to put some effort in to actually get them patronized though.snort of a chicken and egg thing going on, and Canberra is still in the stage where we have crap service so hardly anyone uses it.

Thirdly, all public transport has to be subsidized to some extent, it’s part of the pay off for the overall benefits that having a good public transport system brings to the city. Canberrans are just like anyone else; bring a good transport system to us and we’ll use it.

Also, nightrider only ran for a short time with little chance for people to learn about it. I first heard about it after it finished! These things need some time. If, after one month, you go ‘oh no, it’s costing money, let’s cancel it!’, we’ll never ever get anywhere.

creative_canberran 12:00 pm 10 Oct 11

thy_dungeonman said :

creative_canberran said :

thy_dungeonman said :

creative_canberran said :

trevar said :

What great timing! 2012 is just around the corner, and this is the perfect way to celebrate the Centenary of the First Suggestion that Canberra Might Benefit from a Light Rail System!

Take light rail and shove it where the sun doesn’t shine. Cars rule, live with it.

What a great summation of the ACT Government’s attitude to transport

And that attitude is largely because the government can do maths.

South Canberra to North Canberra, off peak: 3 buses, 2hrs, 600m of walking – one way. http://maps.google.com.au/maps?saddr=Bonython,+Australian+Capital+Territory&daddr=Gunghalin+Concrete+Services,+Mitchell,+Australian+Capital+Territory&hl=en&sll=-35.335853,149.104385&sspn=0.466605,0.810242&geocode=FRdZ4_0dRNHiCCk1t7RQnMoXazEwWmmnbuoABQ%3BFQKo5v0dCrjjCCEkRLcdk1J8fg&vpsrc=0&dirflg=r&ttype=dep&date=10%2F10%2F11&time=10:00&noexp=0&noal=0&sort=def&mra=ls&t=h&z=12&start=0

Or in a car: one vehicle, comfortable, coffee allowed and it takes 20-30mins to cover the same distance.

Pity they can’t apply maths to the problem of space used by a bus versus space used by the same amount of people with each in a car.

That argument is such a cop out, it’s the common Greens fall back position, to say that you’re freeing up x number of meters of road by getting people on buses.
And it is true… in peak hour when you can cram buses to capacity.

Driving up Drakeford though in the middle of the day seeing a 50+ seat bus carrying one or two people though into the suburbs… the logic falls down.
And even where demand should be high like Saturday nights, the Nightrider system proved a horrible waste. We were paying more per passenger than had we just gotten those people a taxi.

Honestly, hundreds of millions on these projects just so a minority can feel like their eco warriors. Doesn’t work.

thy_dungeonman 8:39 pm 09 Oct 11

creative_canberran said :

thy_dungeonman said :

creative_canberran said :

trevar said :

What great timing! 2012 is just around the corner, and this is the perfect way to celebrate the Centenary of the First Suggestion that Canberra Might Benefit from a Light Rail System!

Take light rail and shove it where the sun doesn’t shine. Cars rule, live with it.

What a great summation of the ACT Government’s attitude to transport

And that attitude is largely because the government can do maths.

South Canberra to North Canberra, off peak: 3 buses, 2hrs, 600m of walking – one way. http://maps.google.com.au/maps?saddr=Bonython,+Australian+Capital+Territory&daddr=Gunghalin+Concrete+Services,+Mitchell,+Australian+Capital+Territory&hl=en&sll=-35.335853,149.104385&sspn=0.466605,0.810242&geocode=FRdZ4_0dRNHiCCk1t7RQnMoXazEwWmmnbuoABQ%3BFQKo5v0dCrjjCCEkRLcdk1J8fg&vpsrc=0&dirflg=r&ttype=dep&date=10%2F10%2F11&time=10:00&noexp=0&noal=0&sort=def&mra=ls&t=h&z=12&start=0

Or in a car: one vehicle, comfortable, coffee allowed and it takes 20-30mins to cover the same distance.

Pity they can’t apply maths to the problem of space used by a bus versus space used by the same amount of people with each in a car.

creative_canberran 4:45 pm 09 Oct 11

thy_dungeonman said :

creative_canberran said :

trevar said :

What great timing! 2012 is just around the corner, and this is the perfect way to celebrate the Centenary of the First Suggestion that Canberra Might Benefit from a Light Rail System!

Take light rail and shove it where the sun doesn’t shine. Cars rule, live with it.

What a great summation of the ACT Government’s attitude to transport

And that attitude is largely because the government can do maths.

South Canberra to North Canberra, off peak: 3 buses, 2hrs, 600m of walking – one way. http://maps.google.com.au/maps?saddr=Bonython,+Australian+Capital+Territory&daddr=Gunghalin+Concrete+Services,+Mitchell,+Australian+Capital+Territory&hl=en&sll=-35.335853,149.104385&sspn=0.466605,0.810242&geocode=FRdZ4_0dRNHiCCk1t7RQnMoXazEwWmmnbuoABQ%3BFQKo5v0dCrjjCCEkRLcdk1J8fg&vpsrc=0&dirflg=r&ttype=dep&date=10%2F10%2F11&time=10:00&noexp=0&noal=0&sort=def&mra=ls&t=h&z=12&start=0

Or in a car: one vehicle, comfortable, coffee allowed and it takes 20-30mins to cover the same distance.

thy_dungeonman 1:48 pm 09 Oct 11

creative_canberran said :

trevar said :

What great timing! 2012 is just around the corner, and this is the perfect way to celebrate the Centenary of the First Suggestion that Canberra Might Benefit from a Light Rail System!

Take light rail and shove it where the sun doesn’t shine. Cars rule, live with it.

What a great summation of the ACT Government’s attitude to transport

creative_canberran 1:14 pm 09 Oct 11

trevar said :

What great timing! 2012 is just around the corner, and this is the perfect way to celebrate the Centenary of the First Suggestion that Canberra Might Benefit from a Light Rail System!

Take light rail and shove it where the sun doesn’t shine. Cars rule, live with it.

I-filed 12:04 pm 09 Oct 11

Does Simon Corbell catch the bus to work?

aussieboy 11:29 am 09 Oct 11

Canberrans just don’t get it in regard to light rail.

The Blue Rapid bus has an average speed of ~40km/h; Melbourne trams have an average speed of 16km/h. Frequencies are the same (or better in Canberra).

Light rail can only be justified where there are so many people using a mass transit route, that there are bus traffic jams – where bus lanes get really congested. A good example is the stop-start bus lane on the Sydney Harbour Bridge; or the 1 bus per minute (all completely packed with standing passengers) on the Bondi Beach route.

We’re nowhere near this stage in Canberra… the Blue Rapid route is incredibly quick, frequent and there are never 5 buses in a queue on the route.

Apart from being shiny, light rail will not deliver any other benefits – and would be a complete waste of money.

shadow boxer 7:17 am 09 Oct 11

They just dont get it, it is not the wait or connection times that put people off, it’s the travel times.

All the great public transport systems have one thing in common, they don’t use the existing road lanes.

peterepete 9:01 pm 08 Oct 11

When they say in the fact sheet that “work already in train to study light rail” they’re having a lend – surely. I also like that walking is described as “active transport”. Maybe we should deploy a territory-wide “active transport network”. A few votes in that and wouldn’t cost much either.

I-filed 6:25 pm 08 Oct 11

The usual FAIL on web accessibility following an “accessibility wave” online. Where is Simon “Mini Bhopal” Corbell’s and the ACT Government’s stated commitment to looking after people with a disability?

miz 12:08 pm 08 Oct 11

This is all very well, but can we please have decent weekend services reinstated first (every two hours is totally unacceptable)?

thy_dungeonman 5:07 pm 07 Oct 11

You know what would actually help besides more than these “ideas”, “goals”, “plans” and “consultations” is some actually funding that represents how much they supposedly are trying to support other forms of transport. They already had a discussion paper and community consultation on footpaths and bike-paths a few months ago. What happened was they took everyone’s ideas and ranked them by what need to be given immediate priority, then decided to fund just a few of the most urgent. They still only have tiny budget for paths etc. compared to the hundreds of millions the spend on roads (path funding barely reaches the tens). Then at community meetings (I attended one at woden) they simply had someone saying “we identified all these massive gaps in the network but we will only fix maybe 1 or 2 because we don’t have much money”.

trevar 4:17 pm 07 Oct 11

What great timing! 2012 is just around the corner, and this is the perfect way to celebrate the Centenary of the First Suggestion that Canberra Might Benefit from a Light Rail System!

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