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Turn left if you’re brave…?

By astrojax - 29 March 2011 18

after the response on the reason canberra drivers are apparently so awful thread, i also suspect some of the road rules and intricacies of canberra’s roads are somewhat to blame – the ‘turn left when you want’ signs (or whatever they actually say) at a number of intersections for one.  the others include being able to execute a u-turn at traffic lights, which i believe is an infringement across the border.

my beef is that some of these intersectons with ‘left turn permitted after stopping’ signs, like adjacent to glebe park in civic and a couple out of kingston onto wentworh [sic] ave, are on intersections where you really don’t have a good view of what’s coming from your right, yet there are myriad others where there is little traffic (relative to these intersections) with good clear lines of sight and no permission given to make a red turn after stopping (another stricture canberra drivers don’t seem good at obeying, stopping at stop signs – their arrogance makes them go when they can, to hell with the need to actually stop…)

why is this so and what was the driver (pun intended) for signing these intersections with permission to turn, yet denying it to others?  anyone?

What’s Your opinion?


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18 Responses to
Turn left if you’re brave…?
Devil_n_Disquiz 3:12 pm 29 Mar 11

Jivrashia said :

My very own gripe: Did anyone know that this street has 5 names?!
– Ballumbir
– Coranderrk
– Cooyong
– Barry Drive
– Belconnen Way

F.F.S

If you think thats bad,,try Soward Way in Tugg. It changes a few more
– Soward Way
– Erindale Dr
– Yamba Dr
– Yarra Glen
– Adelaide Ave
– Capital Circle
– Commonwealth Ave
– Vernon Circ
– Northbourne Ave
– Federal Hwy
– Hume Hwy
– South Western Motorway
– M7
etc etc etc

GBT 2:45 pm 29 Mar 11

Watson said :

drewbytes said :

In the ACT you can only perform a u-turn at traffic lights if there is a sign saying “u-turn permitted”. Any other intersection you can perform a u-turn unless there is a sign saying “no u-turn”.

That sentence makes no sense? I suspect there’s a typo in there.

The rule is that U-turns are NOT allowed unless there’s a sign saying they are. Same deal as with the ‘turn left on red light’ signs really. I got pulled over by the cops in Fyshwick once when I missed Bunnings and chucked a uwie (sp???) and they explained this to me.

You are getting confused between the above poster explaining the difference between making a u-turn at an intersection with traffic lights and one without traffic lights.

Making a U–turn at an intersection
without traffic lights
A driver must not make a U–turn at an
intersection without traffic lights, if there
is a no U–turn sign at the intersection.

Making a U–turn at an intersection with
traffic lights
A driver must not make a U–turn at
an intersection with traffic lights unless
there is a U–turn permitted sign at the
intersection.

djk 2:08 pm 29 Mar 11

Watson said :

drewbytes said :

In the ACT you can only perform a u-turn at traffic lights if there is a sign saying “u-turn permitted”. Any other intersection you can perform a u-turn unless there is a sign saying “no u-turn”.

That sentence makes no sense? I suspect there’s a typo in there.

It makes sense – at traffic lights, you can only u-turn if the sign says so. At other types of intersections, the opposite is true, so you can u-turn unless expressly prohibited.

I believe the intersection near Bunnings is traffic lights, hence why you got booked.

Jivrashia 1:15 pm 29 Mar 11

my beef is that some of these intersectons with ‘left turn permitted after stopping’ signs, like adjacent to glebe park in civic

Well, you see, with that one you have this quirkiness where Ballumbir St. changes from two lanes to three at that intersection. This means that you have to compensate for the third lane, by sticking your front out way beyond what you would normally, in order to get a better view of the car coming from the right, the two lanes. See bird’s eye view of intersection here

My very own gripe: Did anyone know that this street has 5 names?!
– Ballumbir
– Coranderrk
– Cooyong
– Barry Drive
– Belconnen Way

F.F.S

Watson 1:02 pm 29 Mar 11

drewbytes said :

In the ACT you can only perform a u-turn at traffic lights if there is a sign saying “u-turn permitted”. Any other intersection you can perform a u-turn unless there is a sign saying “no u-turn”.

That sentence makes no sense? I suspect there’s a typo in there.

The rule is that U-turns are NOT allowed unless there’s a sign saying they are. Same deal as with the ‘turn left on red light’ signs really. I got pulled over by the cops in Fyshwick once when I missed Bunnings and chucked a uwie (sp???) and they explained this to me.

Solidarity 1:00 pm 29 Mar 11

If road signs confuse you, perhaps you shouldn’t have a license.

Holden Caulfield 12:30 pm 29 Mar 11

Oh, so the same people in which we trust our lives to decide on and install speed limit signage, which apparently will result in eternal life if you stay below the magic number, can’t apply other road signs consistently. Hmm, makes you think, doesn’t it.

GBT 12:29 pm 29 Mar 11

I agree with Evan. I think we could benefit by using some of the rules they have in the US. The right turn on red works very well, as I think does the traffic lights at freeway on ramps which allow one car at a time to enter the freeway.

Let’s face it, they have a lot more roads and have had longer to get it right. Sure, they are still lots of traffic issues but that can be put down to sheer traffic volume, especially in Los Angeles.

Mysteryman 11:41 am 29 Mar 11

astrojax: It might be time for a new keyboard. It appears your shift key is busted.

georgesgenitals 11:38 am 29 Mar 11

EvanJames said :

In the US, there is a universal rule that, after stopping at a red light, you can make this turn (it’s a right turn there). When I get back to Australia I often find myself in trouble, making this turn which of course is going through a red light in Australia.

It’s such a sensible rule, and allows traffic to flow, it relies on the sense of responsibility of the driver and works very well indeed in the US. Then again, they have 4-way stop signs too.

A good point, you saved me some typing.

Focussing on keeping the traffic flowing, and making the driver more responsible in real time, makes for a better experience for all road users, both in stress and in time.

Gungahlin Al 10:30 am 29 Mar 11

drewbytes said :

In the ACT you can only perform a u-turn at traffic lights if there is a sign saying “u-turn permitted”. Any other intersection you can perform a u-turn unless there is a sign saying “no u-turn”.

And that is the law everywhere – not just ACT. On that topic, Gungahlin residents (Harrison in particular) will be pleased to know that we’ve convinced Roads ACT to install U-turn allowed signs on Flemington Road at Nullarbor, Mapleton and Wizard intersections.

On the left on red issue, I’d like to see a lot more of these – they work well. And I haven’t really had a problem with the Glebe Park one. Sure you can’t see from one car further back, but when you are the front car you can see fine. Just means only one car can go at a time. And that’s fine.

There could also be more use of the extra right turn green in the peak direction. This is used at Wakefield in the mornings and could be used on several more intersections too – would help clear the right turn lanes a lot better. The one into Barry in particular – can take 3 or 4 changes to turn right there.

EvanJames 10:01 am 29 Mar 11

Good question, I’ve also wondered why, of all the intersections where it would be a good thing, they have it at that Glebe Park corner, where the fence prevents you seeing what is coming.

In the US, there is a universal rule that, after stopping at a red light, you can make this turn (it’s a right turn there). When I get back to Australia I often find myself in trouble, making this turn which of course is going through a red light in Australia.

It’s such a sensible rule, and allows traffic to flow, it relies on the sense of responsibility of the driver and works very well indeed in the US. Then again, they have 4-way stop signs too.

As for U-turns at lights being illegal, that sure doesn’t stop people from doing them. The new intersections around Moreshead/Pialligo/Fairbairn have quite a few cars and trucks doing U-turns at lights. Where Fairbairn meets Pialligo Ave, that right lane is practically a U-turn lane back onto Fairbairn.

drewbytes 9:58 am 29 Mar 11

In the ACT you can only perform a u-turn at traffic lights if there is a sign saying “u-turn permitted”. Any other intersection you can perform a u-turn unless there is a sign saying “no u-turn”.

Erg0 9:40 am 29 Mar 11

“the others include being able to execute a u-turn at traffic lights, which i believe is an infringement across the border.”

Pretty sure that’s an infringement here too, unless there’s a sign permitting it. Goes to prove your point, I suppose.

lumpy 9:29 am 29 Mar 11

Have this problem all the time in Kingston, trying to wing it onto Wentworth with the over-growing shrubs on the footpath blocking my vision of the oncoming left lane.
Yet working in Tuggers where there’s an intersection every ten metres, every direction and lane seems to have it’s own traffic light, where these left-turn-against-the-red could be awesomely slotted in.

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