Vote for Shaunee

Barcham 28 August 2013 50

Shaunee

I may not be a big fan of sport, but I am a big fan of being competitive over odd things and now I really want Shaunee to beat all the Cheerleaders from other teams.

TAKE NO PRISONERS SHAUNEE!

Perfume Box Raiderette Shaunee is into the final of the Big League Cheerleader of the year competition. See how you can help her pick up the prize.
To Vote for Shaunee Raiders fans text SHAUNEE to 19 992 220 (Aus 55c) or 3132 (NZ 20c). Voting is open now and closes September 2 at 11.59pm.
CLICK HERE to see the 2013 Perfume Box Raiderettes.

According to her profile on the Raiders site, the best thing about Canberra is Goodberrys and this is her favourite YouTube video:


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Ben_Dover Ben_Dover 7:14 am 09 Sep 13

BelcoMan said :

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Happy to oblige, unless you want to nitpick what constitutes judgement?

“Voted because I feel sorry for her, who in their right mind would call their kid Shaunee?”
“Oh bloody hell, I’m so glad someone said it. Thought it was just me for a moment…”
“Sorry Alderney but stereotypes exist for a reason. I’ve no doubt she’s a lovely person but her parents should be flogged. By choosing a name like this they’ve condemned her to a life as either a check out chick or Raiders cheerleader.”
“Shaunee? I wonder if her parents come from New Zealand?”

My question was “Can you quote where anyone has “judge(d) a girl by the name her parents gave her” here?’

Not; “Can you quote where anyone has “judge(d) the parents of this girl by the name they gave her” here?

Thanks for proving my original intent right. No one has judged Shaunee for her parents atrocious taste in names. Thank you.

BelcoMan BelcoMan 8:33 pm 08 Sep 13

Ben_Dover said :

BelcoMan said :

The narrow mindedness of people to judge a girl by the name her parents gave her does more to show their lack of intelligence or open mindedness than anything else. I may be being blunt but it’s what I think.
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Can you quote where anyone has “judge(d) a girl by the name her parents gave her” here? I’d be interested in reading that.

Happy to oblige, unless you want to nitpick what constitutes judgement?

“Voted because I feel sorry for her, who in their right mind would call their kid Shaunee?”
“Oh bloody hell, I’m so glad someone said it. Thought it was just me for a moment…”
“Sorry Alderney but stereotypes exist for a reason. I’ve no doubt she’s a lovely person but her parents should be flogged. By choosing a name like this they’ve condemned her to a life as either a check out chick or Raiders cheerleader.”
“Shaunee? I wonder if her parents come from New Zealand?”

Ben_Dover Ben_Dover 11:36 am 06 Sep 13

BelcoMan said :

The narrow mindedness of people to judge a girl by the name her parents gave her does more to show their lack of intelligence or open mindedness than anything else. I may be being blunt but it’s what I think.
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Can you quote where anyone has “judge(d) a girl by the name her parents gave her” here? I’d be interested in reading that.

davo101 davo101 9:18 am 06 Sep 13

Aeek said :

That’s in Australia. Why is the NZ cost only 20c ? We are being ripped off with our phone scams.

If it was 55c in NZ no one could afford to vote.

Diggety Diggety 8:54 am 06 Sep 13

Aeek said :

and props to BelcoMan

+1

Aeek Aeek 11:23 pm 05 Sep 13

Masquara said :

pay 55c to vote

That’s in Australia. Why is the NZ cost only 20c ? We are being ripped off with our phone scams.

and props to BelcoMan

BelcoMan BelcoMan 10:00 pm 05 Sep 13

Well this thread has put s few of the RA regulars a bit lower on the social standings in my opinion.

The narrow mindedness of people to judge a girl by the name her parents gave her does more to show their lack of intelligence or open mindedness than anything else. I may be being blunt but it’s what I think.

I have known this girl for approximately 2 years and dealt with her in her day job for over 18 months before I even knew she was a Raiderette. She is a lovely girl who is polite, well mannered and always smiling. To hear people who know nothing more than the name she was given or a few words in her profile says volumes about them.

Probably time for some introspection peoples.

Masquara Masquara 12:31 pm 31 Aug 13

poetix said :

Barcham said :

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I think it’s always worth calling out bad behaviour when we see it, even if it will rarely change the behaviour of the person you are calling out.

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Which is exactly why I will continue to criticise you for starting so many threads in which women feature only or primarily as sex objects, even if you are far too concerned with appearing zany and interesting to change your behaviour. It’s a weird hobby, but someone has to do it.

Of course I agree that calling vulnerable people horrible things, or being cruel about a particular person’s name, is unacceptable in a different way.

I think having the Riotact consciously encourage a stupid “pay 55c to vote with no free internet voting option” competition is a bit of a Riotact low. Shaunee Schmaunee – I hope barcham is the only sucker who parts with good money for her cause!

AsparagusSyndrome AsparagusSyndrome 2:05 am 31 Aug 13

In the interests of equality and competition I’ll put myself up…

Name: Roger [my Raiderette name only]. Roger the Raiderette.

Favourite ‘Perfume Box’ Perfume: Have they got any with Glen 20 in them?

Best thing about Canberra: The perfume counter at DJ’s. (I can mention them, right?)

Fav song to dance to: The Volga Boat Song. Or anything Volga, really.

Dream job: Yes please.

You might be surprised to know : I’m at Cube, with your Dad.

Favourite YouTube clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHyygU1cU0k (or anything with cats in it, in fact I wish that one had a cat in it).

Why you love rugby league: Ordinarily I’d allude to the complex interplay of geopolitical and philosophical discourse, interpreted physically through the dynamic juxtaposition of futility, kinetic disorder and ritualistic debasement, conditioned against alternating tableaux of bogans, but that would be prolix. I mainly like the punch-ups.

Aeek Aeek 8:07 pm 30 Aug 13

bundah said :

Of course the other more attractive option is a duel at twenty paces..

Won’t work. Salmon don’t have the range.

bundah bundah 6:23 pm 30 Aug 13

See what happens when parents call their daughter Shaunee!

I must say however that it’s awfully mature of DA/Barcham not to resort to personal abuse in their marathon war of words but I cannot see either conceding so shall we call it a draw gentlemen?

Of course the other more attractive option is a duel at twenty paces..

Barcham Barcham 5:33 pm 30 Aug 13

devils_advocate said :

That’s not what I asked. I asked whether…

[I’ll just shorten this.]

..What is your assessment of your own reaction here?

Alright, I’ll attempt to answer all your questions then.

Firstly no I don’t deny that there must exist some men who will leap to the defence of someone attractive just in the hopes that she’ll notice and think highly of them.

Of course this happens, and probably quite a bit.

However assuming any male speaking up on behalf of a female is doing so for this reason is far from fair, and even if that IS his motivation, a good act is a good act and he probably doesn’t deserve to be mocked because of it.

You are correct in saying I felt no need to comment on or delete the original comments. I agree that making fun of someone’s name isn’t a great thing to do, but I wasn’t so moved by emotion that I felt the need to comment. As you say a few puerile comments are to be expected here, and if I made a habit of starting a debate about each one I’d get no work done. Also I don’t like the idea of censoring people simply because I disagree with them.

You are also correct that it was this particular subject that inspired me to comment. I really dislike dismissive terms and behaviour, and you were lucky enough to make one when I had some free time between reading press releases so I could get stuck in.

Whether it be undermining someone’s point about bad behaviour by calling them a “white knight”, dismissing someone’s concerns about the environment because they’re just some “hippy”, or ignoring a woman’s complaints because she’s just being “hysterical” it’s not important. There are a million different examples of this kind of dismissive behaviour, and personally I find them all to be disgusting.

We mock those who have something to say because it makes it easier to ignore them. Instead of questioning our position, we make an ad hominem attack on the person forcing us to ask the question.

Now I’m sure when you made the comment you weren’t thinking about all of the above. You just made what you thought was a funny comment, largely because you’ve seen this funny comment made a million times before. But by making the comment you did dismiss Alderny, you did suggest that men who stick up for women must only be doing it to get laid, and you did contribute a culture that shames people who decide to speak out.

What’s my assessment of my reaction? Justified. Like I said, I think calling people out of their behaviour is important. Perhaps my “walls of text” are a bit much, but my job is to type words on this website so maybe I get a bit carried away with it. Plus I so rarely get to be involved in the daily arguments that happen here so I’m determined to get the most out of it.

It costs me only a few moments of my time to comment, but maybe it will make someone (even you) think twice before behaving like this in the future. Seems like a fair deal to me.

I’m sorry if you thought I was dodging your questions but hopefully I’ve cleared them up now. Let me know if I have missed any.

Now it’s your turn to stop dodging my question, here I’ll repost it for you.

“So please tell me your hypothesis on why suggesting that someone is a “beta male just trying to impress pretty ladies” doesn’t make you dismissive and presumptuous.”

Now I should warn you I worked in childcare for 6 years, so “because everyone else does it” or “that’s just what you say” won’t fly with me. I’ve heard them far too many times over the years and all they’ll achieve is me directing you to the naughty corner.

So I’ve defended my behaviour, now defend yours.

devils_advocate devils_advocate 3:06 pm 30 Aug 13

Barcham said :

You dismissed and belittled this by terming it “white knighting”, turning what was a noble act into a humorous joke where some beta male is trying to look cool for the ladies. This is something I see a lot, and the idea of shaming people for doing the right thing is something I find appalling.

That’s not what I asked. I asked whether, in your mind, these ‘crude pickup attempts’ – or other situations where betas engage in supplication in a vain attempt at achieving one or more social goals – exist. So you have done a marvellous job of dodging that question. But let’s put a pin in that and move onto the more interesting question.

1) Firstly, you are the one to whom the original post is attributed. It’s not exactly a hard news piece, and doesn’t require an unfettered right of reply by the internet in general.
2) If you had any understanding of how the internet works at all (and I submit that in your job you do), you would have known that this article, while blameless in itself, would invite some puerility. Rightly or wrongly, the thread probably demanded closer moderation.
3) I hate hindsight bias as much as the next guy. However the puerile comments that were in fact submitted via the website were entirely predictable (only in that they were puerile – for the most part the focus on the young lady’s name came from left field).
4) Notwithstanding points 3-4, you chose to let those through moderation. Fair enough, that’s your call.
5) in addition to not moderating, you yourself felt no need to comment on the particular comments you consider ‘not nice’.
6) while not taking issue with the originating comments themselves, you promptly proceeded to get massively butthurt on someone else’s behalf when I (and in fact someone else by implication) called out a white knight. It’s a bit weird that this is the point where you specifically decide to take issue.

Clearly there’s a whole other raw nerve that exists with the very concept of betas and white knighting in general that I won’t go into, save to ask:

What is your assessment of your own reaction here?

beardedclam beardedclam 3:03 pm 30 Aug 13

Vote 1 Shaunee. (Performing name, like a dancer)
She has gone further than the Raiders this year, she will be seeing finals action.
Barcham and Devils, keep going, you two know stuff that I don’t.
Perfume Box Raiderette……… the visual.
Imagine the Perfume Box Raiders…when they have the women in league round…the Pink Perfume Box Raiders

justin heywood justin heywood 2:38 pm 30 Aug 13

Barcham said :

Accusations of “white knighting” is how the selfish rationalise the kindness of others. They personally can’t imagine showing any kind of compassion towards anyone else without a clear idea of a reward, so when they see someone standing up for someone or something that doesn’t obviously benefit that person they wonder “What’s their angle?”

It’s rather sad in a way.

In their world view, decent people must just not exist.

Well said that man.

Barcham Barcham 1:55 pm 30 Aug 13

poetix said :

Which is exactly why I will continue to criticise you for starting so many threads in which women feature only or primarily as sex objects, even if you are far too concerned with appearing zany and interesting to change your behaviour. It’s a weird hobby, but someone has to do it.

Of course I agree that calling vulnerable people horrible things, or being cruel about a particular person’s name, is unacceptable in a different way.

I will state in my defence that I did not pick this story, it was handed to me. I care not for sports in general, and cheerleading is no exception. However it does fit the bill of a local interest story, thus it gets run.

You may object to the treatment or idea of cheerleaders in general, and you would not be alone, but that’s a whole other discussion. However I will state that I do find the idea of a cheerleading popularity contest like this to be a bit ridiculous.

I thought I demonstrated my thoughts on the absurdity of a cheerleader contest that doesn’t actually involve cheerleading quite well. That bit about the site listing her love of Goodberrys and a YouTube clip of someone laughing way too much while playing Call of Juarez, I mean what does that have to do with cheerleading?

Perhaps I’m too subtle in my fun making.

I wasn’t joking about feeling competitive about random things though.

I want Shaunee to win, and hopefully this story throws a few votes her way.

What other threads have I started that treat women like objects?

Barcham Barcham 1:11 pm 30 Aug 13

devils_advocate said :

One point I am now confused about, though: Do you actually dispute the existence of white knighting behaviour? Or is it the term you object to?

I object to belittling the behaviour of people trying to do noble things via terms like “white knighting”. I object to the fact that the term is a way for people to dismiss the opinions and actions of others by perverting them and making them into crude pick up attempts.

Here we have someone who is standing up against bullying for no personal gain, and seemingly for no reason other than it’s the right thing to do.

That kind of behaviour is to be respected.

You dismissed and belittled this by terming it “white knighting”, turning what was a noble act into a humorous joke where some beta male is trying to look cool for the ladies. This is something I see a lot, and the idea of shaming people for doing the right thing is something I find appalling.

poetix poetix 1:05 pm 30 Aug 13

Barcham said :

….

I think it’s always worth calling out bad behaviour when we see it, even if it will rarely change the behaviour of the person you are calling out.

….

Which is exactly why I will continue to criticise you for starting so many threads in which women feature only or primarily as sex objects, even if you are far too concerned with appearing zany and interesting to change your behaviour. It’s a weird hobby, but someone has to do it.

Of course I agree that calling vulnerable people horrible things, or being cruel about a particular person’s name, is unacceptable in a different way.

devils_advocate devils_advocate 11:54 am 30 Aug 13

Barcham said :

Maybe when this is blown over and you are no longer on the defensive, you’ll stop and think about what you’re actually saying when you call someone a white knight, and maybe you’ll agree that it’s not a nice thing to say, and that it’s representative of a larger problem with the way people in society view each other and their actions.

Probably not, but maybe.

As a rule, I don’t usually tend to deal in normative statements. My statements were positive, in the sense I was merely pointing out what I observed. As for whether white-knighting itself – or calling someone out on it – is “nice”, well I don’t have a strong view on that. It is fairly clear you do, given by the sheer walls of text you seem prepared to write on the topic.

One point I am now confused about, though: Do you actually dispute the existence of white knighting behaviour? Or is it the term you object to?

Barcham Barcham 11:41 am 30 Aug 13

devils_advocate said :

Barcham said :

Derpderpderp

Assumptions aren’t the same as generalisations.

My observation was specific to the context. To illustrate by counterexample, I wouldn’t accuse sisters of the Missionaries of Charity of whiteknighting.

The extent to which jimmies have been rustled ITT is at least consistent with my hypothesis, if not directly probative.

Again you miss the point and fail to defend your actions.

Yes, I do understand the context. I spoke generally yes, I know that. Move on. It doesn’t make what I said inaccurate nor inapplicable to your behaviour. My point was clearly made, you are deliberately avoiding addressing it because you know you can’t actually justify why you thought name calling was an alright thing to do.

“derpderpderp”

Wonderful way to counter accusations of childish behaviour.

Look I know you’re not going to turn around in this argument and actually think about what you said and what the implications are. You’re stuck on the defensive trying to prove me wrong about something has no bearing to what my point is.

You obviously will not (or can not) listen to me, and I really wasn’t expecting you too.

I think it’s always worth calling out bad behaviour when we see it, even if it will rarely change the behaviour of the person you are calling out.

However the words I’ve said here are not just for you. They are also for other people. People who aren’t stuck on the defensive, so maybe they’ll listen and think twice before using terms like “white knight” in the future in a dismissive way.

Maybe when this is blown over and you are no longer on the defensive, you’ll stop and think about what you’re actually saying when you call someone a white knight, and maybe you’ll agree that it’s not a nice thing to say, and that it’s representative of a larger problem with the way people in society view each other and their actions.

Probably not, but maybe.

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