What happened to our community?

FormerlyCommunityMindedCanberrans 4 July 2013 82

When did it become acceptable to resort to criminal behaviour over the issue of ‘parking’? It is assault to abuse someone and it is vandalism to damage someone elses’ property. The street in which you live is not “yours”.

It is not ok to run out of your house and shout at someone for parking in “your” street. It is not ok to leave a note on someone’s car telling them not to park on “your” street. It is not ok to run a key along someone’s car or “egg” it because it is parked on “your” street.

Have Canberrans forgotten that we live in a community? That we all pay our taxes to the local Government so that we can enjoy the benefits of that community? If someone chooses to walk 10, 20, 30 minutes or more to walk to avoid paying for parking so what? They pay to live in this community – why are they not allowed to enjoy it?

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evilone evilone 3:07 am 13 Jul 13

What has happened to “our” community?
I’m not sure that you even know the names of the people’s houses that you park in front of, let alone leave a xmas card in their letterbox for any inconvenience you may have caused them during the year.
And most people who don’t have a problem with parking in front of someone’s house, you could safely assume that they don’t have people doing it in their street.
But more to the point, this need for parking in suburban streets to save some dollars could be avoided if parking was cheaper, or public transport was better. Lets face it, car parks are cheap(relatively) to build and maintain. Why is the price for parking getting more expensive then? You want to be community minded, try to start thinking about what’s best for the community, what is cause of your problem, what can be done to solve it, and STOP being selfish

Innovation Innovation 8:54 am 10 Jul 13

nhand42 said :

Masquara said :

You don’t own the road outside your house! It belongs to the public, and you don’t dictate who parks there.

Legally, no. But the guy across the road who parks his commercial trucks in front of my house, every evening and all weekend, rather than park those trucks in front of his own house, well he might be following the law and be legally entitled to do so, but he’s still an inconsiderate jerk.

Especially when there are no cars or trucks parked in front of his house. He just finds it convenient to park his commercial trucks in front of other people’s houses.

Why is he inconsiderate? Have you asked him why he does it and have you explained why it bothers you?

James-T-Kirk James-T-Kirk 11:19 pm 09 Jul 13

Name the street, and we can all park there one day – The Streisand effect will help the local residents learn……..

Years ago when I worked in Woden, I discovered that I could park in the suburbs just *after* where the no-parking or restricted parking signs ended. Saved heaps, and got in some exercise.

Hey – we could even erect ‘park and walk’ signs encouraging a healthy lifestyle. Who can I apply to for a grant?

nhand42 nhand42 7:15 pm 09 Jul 13

Masquara said :

You don’t own the road outside your house! It belongs to the public, and you don’t dictate who parks there.

Legally, no. But the guy across the road who parks his commercial trucks in front of my house, every evening and all weekend, rather than park those trucks in front of his own house, well he might be following the law and be legally entitled to do so, but he’s still an inconsiderate jerk.

Especially when there are no cars or trucks parked in front of his house. He just finds it convenient to park his commercial trucks in front of other people’s houses.

Aeek Aeek 12:32 am 06 Jul 13

Aeek said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Some peeps are just assholes and I imagine only a tiny percentage of parkers would block bins in.
Anecdotal and fringe case. So does not hold any weight.

I remember putying the bins out and there where parking metres !

I also remember being able to spell.

Aeek Aeek 11:37 pm 05 Jul 13

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Some peeps are just assholes and I imagine only a tiny percentage of parkers would block bins in.
Anecdotal and fringe case. So does not hold any weight.

I remember putying the bins out and there where parking metres !

BimboGeek BimboGeek 9:52 pm 05 Jul 13

I live in Manuka and all the parking is usually taken around here too. I don’t care; park wherever you want. It’s all part of living in avery visited place.

rhino rhino 4:44 pm 05 Jul 13

When it comes to things like this, I don’t think legality matters to people, it’s common decency and courtesy (which laws should be based on but can’t always and are often wrong) that matters. If you park someone in so they can’t get out of their driveway then you deserve to get your car keyed as far as I’m concerned. But if people park in your street in a way that isn’t unsafe then go get a hobby and find something more important to worry about.

tuco tuco 4:25 pm 05 Jul 13

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Nobody has given a valid reason to not wanting peeps to park on the road outside their house. I don’t think op mentioned nature strips either.

Are there any roos in the street? That might make it interesting given the past few days.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 4:03 pm 05 Jul 13

Dilandach said :

Masquara said :

Jono said :

These people would happily park in front of their bins on garbage collection day.

The garbos can and do pick up bins across cars …

Even if that were the case and it could be done with zero risk to cars, its still an inconvenience for those that live there and the garbos.

‘My desire to park where ever overrides anything anyone has to say, even if you live where I’m parking. If you don’t like it… F*** you, bunch of whingers. My right to park is more important than utilising the street you live in.’

Why can’t you still use the street you live in if there are cars parked there? Makes no sense.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 3:59 pm 05 Jul 13

Jono said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Nobody has given a valid reason to not wanting peeps to park on the road putside their house.

My cousin lives in a small street in Curtin where they’d started getting lots of people parking and walking to Woden. These people would happily park in front of their bins on garbage collection day, and a couple of times parked such that the garbage truck was unable to navigate the street at all. Not to mention the fact that one of his neighbours, who’s a tradesman, had people parking such that he couldn’t get his van and trailer out of his driveway.

To my way of thinking, that’s astonishingly inconsiderate and rude, but as a number of the posters have said, it was legal to do it, and they don’t care how much inconvenience that they cause for the residents.

Now they’ve had parking restrictions implemented (which the residents didn’t want) and they are no longer allowed to park in part of the street that they live in.

Some peeps are just assholes and I imagine only a tiny percentage of parkers would block bins in.
Anecdotal and fringe case. So does not hold any weight.

fromthecapital fromthecapital 3:14 pm 05 Jul 13

Jono said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Nobody has given a valid reason to not wanting peeps to park on the road putside their house.

My cousin lives in a small street in Curtin where they’d started getting lots of people parking and walking to Woden. These people would happily park in front of their bins on garbage collection day, and a couple of times parked such that the garbage truck was unable to navigate the street at all. Not to mention the fact that one of his neighbours, who’s a tradesman, had people parking such that he couldn’t get his van and trailer out of his driveway.

To my way of thinking, that’s astonishingly inconsiderate and rude, but as a number of the posters have said, it was legal to do it, and they don’t care how much inconvenience that they cause for the residents.

Now they’ve had parking restrictions implemented (which the residents didn’t want) and they are no longer allowed to park in part of the street that they live in.

They’re just being community minded. If only we all were social enough to visit a different suburb 5 days a week.

I regret not living close enough to a town centre to enjoy the way super thrifty peoples motorised appliances could alter my vista.

Residential streets were designed for long term parking for frugal backward thinking commuters after all..

Jim Jones Jim Jones 3:10 pm 05 Jul 13

How is it possible that the OP pulls this hand-wringing ‘community’ rhetoric while at the same time justifying inconveniencing others to save himself a few bucks.

The irony fairy should smash you in the face with her irony wand for that one.

Instant Mash Instant Mash 2:59 pm 05 Jul 13

Gerry-Built said :

…continued parking in Power Street, Mawson, then?

Not as if most of the Rioters didn’t pick it.

Ben_Dover Ben_Dover 2:42 pm 05 Jul 13

Man: “All right, it’s a fair cop, but the community is to blame.”
Community Policeman: “Agreed.”
Man: “I would like another three on street parking fracas to be taken into consideration.”
Community Policeman: “Right. And now, I’d like to conclude this arrest with community singing”.

Jono Jono 2:18 pm 05 Jul 13

Masquara said :

The garbos can and do pick up bins across cars …

From his description, it’s seems that they couldn’t (or wouldn’t) when there was a large 4WD parked directly in front of a bin in a narrow street.

He’s told me that not getting their bins collected was a regular problem because of the parking. I do know that he was at home one day when the truck simply couldn’t drive down the street and the only reason that they were emptied that day was because he saw what was going on and wheeled his bin, and all of the neighbours’ bins, to the top of the street for the truck.

IrishPete IrishPete 2:16 pm 05 Jul 13

FormerlyCommunityMindedCanberrans said :

I’m disappointed that there has not been more constructive debate. At no point does my original post say whether I have been the subject of abuse or vandalism and yet a great majority of you automatically assumed that.

I think I owe an apology to myself for my lack of judgment in bringing this to a public forum for proper consideration.

It was fairly strongly implied.

If you are now saying none of this stuff has ever happened to you, then I have to wonder what purpose was served by your creation of a new thread on a fantasy topic.

Perhaps it happened to someone you know, but then why not just say so?

IP

Dilandach Dilandach 2:13 pm 05 Jul 13

Masquara said :

Jono said :

These people would happily park in front of their bins on garbage collection day.

The garbos can and do pick up bins across cars …

Even if that were the case and it could be done with zero risk to cars, its still an inconvenience for those that live there and the garbos.

‘My desire to park where ever overrides anything anyone has to say, even if you live where I’m parking. If you don’t like it… F*** you, bunch of whingers. My right to park is more important than utilising the street you live in.’

Barcham Barcham 2:03 pm 05 Jul 13

devils_advocate said :

Barcham said :

Tooks said :

It is assault to abuse someone

No it isn’t.

The rest of your rant I agree with, but I’ve gotta say, none of that has ever happened to me. Maybe move to a nicer neighbourhood 🙂

Actually it is, at least legally.

It’s been some years since I studied criminal law, but in my view the above statement is wrong.

As far as I recall, for assault to occur, the offender must cause imminent apprehension of harm to the victim. Generally speaking words alone won’t be enough to do this (for example, a 50kg unarmed woman threatening to kill a 100kg male is unlikely to constitute assault).

However I also recall that the precise legal formulation was subject to variation between jurisdictions, and in particular judicial interpretation. So it could be that the ACT magistrates/superior crts have adopted some kind of ridiculous, all-encompassing definition and laid at the feet of the executive (police) the burden of applying the common-sense test.

You are correct. I took the original comment of ‘abuse’ to mean ‘abuse with threats’, which is obviously not what was intended and so was my mistake.

artuoui artuoui 1:19 pm 05 Jul 13

FormerlyCommunityMindedCanberrans said :

Thank you to those people who made positive contributions.

And thank you to the rest of you as well – nice effort!

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