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Which Storm players would the Raiders like?

By johnboy 22 April 2010 34

The NRL has announced that the Melbourne Storm has been stripped of all its wins, premierships, points, and prize money going back to 2006 as a result of massive salary cap rorting.

Particularly pleasing is how the story came to light after bookies noticed a flood of money going on the high flying Storm to win the wooden spoon.

With normality returning to Melbourne next season many players will be storming off in a huff. Which ones would work well here in Canberra for the Raiders?

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Holden Caulfield 7:39 pm 24 Apr 10

knuckles v TheVirulentOne about as boring as two grown men running into each other. 😛

knuckles 12:08 pm 24 Apr 10

Hey theVirulentOne,
Just few corrections regarding your post which I hope you can get your little mungo brain around;

I never went to Eddies. I went to an ACT public school. Not all union supporters went to private schools.

I do understand the parallel regarding League supporters crying foul these days. That’s why I made the comment. I think it is a bit of the pot calling the kettle black though. (you may need to ask someone to explain this to you if you don’t understand)

Pretty sure the main reason no Union players now transfer to League is because there are more opportunities and loads more money in Union.

Barnes & Palu both had backgrounds in Union, which is why they were able to play the game at a decent standard when they came back. By the way, when they returned to Rugby they both played for over 12 months before being selected in a Wallabies squad. (do you ever get sick of being wrong?)

Regarding your comment of “so called Test team”. Did you know that Rugby is played at the international level by 115 countries? And next year we are having a World Cup, which will be contested by the top 16 countries. Looking forward to the figures you can put together regarding international League.

As for skill and fitness levels, the only League player that has really been a standout in Union would have to be Brad Thorn (pity he’s playing for the All Blacks), yet I can name many Union players who were world beaters in League, (Ray Price, Michael O’Connor, Ricky Stuart, etc.) Speaks for itself really.

Hope this helps

Knuckles

Thumper 11:24 am 24 Apr 10

The only thing the Storm did wrong was getting caught.

You can’t tell me that other clubs don’t have ‘other’ payments?

As for union, it reminds me of the 1980s at Randwick when the top players would win heaps of money on the club pokies.

TheVirulentOne 7:45 am 24 Apr 10

Hey knuckles, you union types always impress me too, the way you use moronic stereotypes like “mungos”.

I don’t have a short memory, but like all union boys, I suspect you do (bet you enjoy boozing it up at Brumbies games with the boys, reminisicing about your schoolmaster at Eddie’s). Why is there Rugby League? Because people like you refused to pay the players when they were injured, whilst happily pocketed all the gate-takings.

When Union was “amateur” the Union types cried foul whenever any player went to League, so it’s wholly appropriate for Rugby League followers to say the same whenever the trade flows the opposite way these days. Though I doubt an Eddies boy could understand the parallel.

As anyone who follows the Rugby codes know, the main reason no Union players now transfer to League isn’t money, it’s because their skill and fitness levels are so inferior they couldn’t make a NRL reserve grade sides, whereas non-entities like Berrick Barnes and Wycliff Palu can walk out of NRL reserve grade and go straightinto the so called “Test” team, the pathetic Wallabies.

2604 10:30 pm 23 Apr 10

Waiting For Godot said :

I don’t wish to rain on this festival of smugness, but I’d like to remind everybody that our own Canberra Raiders are not lillywhite regarding salary cap rorts. In 1991 it was revealed that the Raiders had been rorting the cap for years and there were calls for the 1989 and 1990 premiership wins to be annulled. It never happened, chiefly because the Raiders were experiencing financial problems at the time and there was a lot of sympathy and community support in a rugby league town for the Raiders. So let’s all bear this in mind before we get on our soapboxes in a fit of moral outrage and tut-tut the Mexicans.

Nice story bro, except that the salary cap was only introduced by the NSWRL (predecessor of the NRL) in 1990. See this link, under “Where did it come from?”.

I kinda doubt that the Raiders had been “rorting the salary cap for years” in 1991 given that it’d only been introduced the previous year.

Carry on.

p1 3:45 pm 23 Apr 10

Ooh, p1, looking for a job in NRL management?!

Doubt I could do much worse then the last bunch. 😉

Holden Caulfield 3:36 pm 23 Apr 10

Ooh, p1, looking for a job in NRL management?! 😛

p1 3:01 pm 23 Apr 10

2) Both internal Storm and NRL investigations/audits hadn’t found anything awry in the last five years. See point 1, ergo it would appear a separate book in a different room actually is quite sneaky, haha.

True, and had they shredded the surplus records at the end of each year, they would now only be worried about this seasons breach.

Holden Caulfield 2:46 pm 23 Apr 10

p1 said :

…The other question is why hadn’t they shredded it in advance? Haven’t these guys heard of file encryption and the like? It amazes me that you would blatantly engage in such behaviour and not go to great lengths to hide it. And don’t tell me that having a separate file in a different room is particularly sneaky…

1) The Storm didn’t shred in advance because the NRL were supposedly tipped off by a former Storm employee who told them where to look.

2) Both internal Storm and NRL investigations/audits hadn’t found anything awry in the last five years. See point 1, ergo it would appear a separate book in a different room actually is quite sneaky, haha.

motleychick 2:31 pm 23 Apr 10

All i have to say about it is THANK GOD it’s not the Bulldogs for once!!!

The Great Bambino 12:14 pm 23 Apr 10

Waiting For Godot said :

I don’t wish to rain on this festival of smugness, but I’d like to remind everybody that our own Canberra Raiders are not lillywhite regarding salary cap rorts. In 1991 it was revealed that the Raiders had been rorting the cap for years and there were calls for the 1989 and 1990 premiership wins to be annulled. It never happened, chiefly because the Raiders were experiencing financial problems at the time and there was a lot of sympathy and community support in a rugby league town for the Raiders. So let’s all bear this in mind before we get on our soapboxes in a fit of moral outrage and tut-tut the Mexicans.

Food for thought:

In 1991, the Canberra Raiders were fined $100,000 and ordered to pay $85,000 in unpaid salary from 1990.

Eight clubs were fined in 2000: Newcastle ($159,000), the New Zealand Warriors ($100,000), Penrith ($81,000), Canterbury ($50,000), Parramatta ($40,000), Melbourne ($24,500), the Sydney Roosters ($13,000) and Cronulla ($7,000).

Three clubs were fined in 2001: North Queensland ($100,000), Melbourne ($90,000) and Brisbane ($84,000).

In 2002, the Canterbury Bulldogs were found to have committed serious and systematic breaches totaling $920,000, which was enough for two extra top level players, and was described by NRL Chief Executive David Gallop as “exceptional in both its size and its deliberate and ongoing nature”. The club was hit with a record $500,000 fine and were stripped of all 37 competition points received to that date; the club won the wooden spoon as a direct result. An extensive NRL investigation resulted in two senior club officials being charged with 21 counts of fraud, theft and forgery by NSW Police. Both pleaded guilty and were sentenced to nine years imprisonment with a seven year minimum.

Five other clubs were also fined in 2002: the Sydney Roosters ($149,000), Newcastle ($85,000), Melbourne ($67,000), the Wests Tigers ($58,500) and Brisbane ($57,500).

Nine clubs were fined in 2003 after a crackdown in light of the Canterbury scandal the year before: Melbourne ($131,000), Penrith ($60,000), Newcastle ($40,000), Brisbane ($20,000), South Sydney ($15,250), the New Zealand Warriors ($15,000), Cronulla ($10,000), and Canterbury ($10,000).

Seven clubs were fined in 2004: Melbourne ($120,000), Canterbury ($82,500), St George Illawarra ($32,500), Penrith ($25,000), the Sydney Roosters ($25,000), and Canberra ($5,000).

Four clubs were fined in 2005: St George Illawarra ($20,000), Newcastle ($11,000), Canterbury ($8,500) and Canberra ($1,000).

In 2006, the New Zealand Warriors revealed that their former management had exceeded the salary cap in 2004-2005. The club were fined $430,000, started the for season with a four point deficit, and were ordered to play 2007 under a reduced salary cap of $3.15 million (salary floor of $2.79 million).

In 2007, the Canberra Raiders were fined $175,000 but did not lose any points.

Six clubs were fined in 2008: South Sydney ($71,000), Wests Tigers ($47,000), Canberra ($46,000), Canterbury ($25,000 and given a $25,000 good behaviour bond), Melbourne ($14,000) and Brisbane ($10,000).[22]

Five clubs were fined in 2009: St George Illawarra ($15,000), South Sydney ($12,500), Gold Coast ($5,500), Bulldogs ($5,000) and Wests Tigers ($3,500).

In 2010, Melbourne Storm officials confessed to running a well-organised dual contract system which left the NRL unable to know of at least $1.7 million of payments made to players outside of the $4.21875 million salary cap. The club was ordered to repay $1.1 million in prizemoney which will be re-distributed equally between the remaining 15 clubs, fined $500,000, stripped of their 2007 and 2009 premierships and 2006-2008 minor premierships, stripped of all 8 premiership points received in the 2010 season, and barred from receiving premiership points for the rest of the 2010 season. The matter has been referred to the Victoria Police.

(Stats and info taken from Wikipedia)

chewy14 11:32 am 23 Apr 10

p1 said :

I think there would be many a CEO who was moving some excess documentation through the shredder yesterday.

The other question is why hadn’t they shredded it in advance? Haven’t these guys heard of file encryption and the like? It amazes me that you would blatantly engage in such behaviour and not go to great lengths to hide it. And don’t tell me that having a separate file in a different room is particularly sneaky.

It appears that Brian is gone from the Rebels.

The seperate file was not a “cooked” book as such. It was a file containing letters of offer to players. When Shubert found it and looked over the offers it became apparent that some of the players had been offered more in these documents than what was actually sent to the NRL. But totally agree that leaving this file there was rather stupid.

I think a lot of people in other clubs are of the thought that “it’s only wrong if you get caught.”
Silly Storm.

Waiting For Godot 11:22 am 23 Apr 10

I don’t wish to rain on this festival of smugness, but I’d like to remind everybody that our own Canberra Raiders are not lillywhite regarding salary cap rorts. In 1991 it was revealed that the Raiders had been rorting the cap for years and there were calls for the 1989 and 1990 premiership wins to be annulled. It never happened, chiefly because the Raiders were experiencing financial problems at the time and there was a lot of sympathy and community support in a rugby league town for the Raiders. So let’s all bear this in mind before we get on our soapboxes in a fit of moral outrage and tut-tut the Mexicans.

p1 10:28 am 23 Apr 10

I think there would be many a CEO who was moving some excess documentation through the shredder yesterday.

The other question is why hadn’t they shredded it in advance? Haven’t these guys heard of file encryption and the like? It amazes me that you would blatantly engage in such behaviour and not go to great lengths to hide it. And don’t tell me that having a separate file in a different room is particularly sneaky.

It appears that Brian is gone from the Rebels.

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