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Who is judging our judges?

Bigbolt 30 March 2010 30

Justin Williams a repeat offender. If he was locked up this wouldn’t have happened. I think it is time the community pushes to make judges more liable for there decesions. Doctors, Nurses, Specialists, police, fireman, amulance officers and every other proffesional jurisdiction that serve the community have procedures in place that if they make a mistakes that cost lives are either sacked or diciplined or made outcasts for the rest of thier lives.

Lets say that the last judge that bailed Mr Wlliams was made more liable for there decesion. Lets say for example Justice whoever had Mr Williams standing in front of him or her in court fully aware of Mr Williams criminal history then gave Williams bail on the promise that he will be a good boy from now and won’t act like a complete lunatic.

Then Mr Williams doing what he does best goes back out into our community steals another car then kills a family. Justice whoever is then charged for manslaughter, just like what would happen to every other proffesional person that makes a bad decesion costing peoples lives.  Judges get alot of resources, time and money to serve and protect society. We should have a system that lets us vote for our judges and not let it be an old pompus boys club that it is.


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DavoDavo DavoDavo 1:47 pm 06 Apr 10

Matt in the Hatt said :

Yeh for Craig T for saying it like it should be. Enough I say of all this prancing about quoting Human Rights and such…..lets take a leaf out of the Arkansas Sheriff’s book and put all these offenders in a jail where life is not a pile of fairy floss, dress them in pink duds, ban all gym related execise, make them work on road gangs, ban TV except the weather channel so they know how crap it will be out doors tomorrow, make them sleep on camp beds in tents, no visits by the missus for a quick Human Rights/Civil Libertarian approved shag and guess what…………………………..? Like in the Arkansas dude’s jail….they won’t want to come back and rarely do. Hands up to all those who want to stand up and yell at our Pollies/Magistrates and do gooders to CHANGE the way it’s done for the good of our future society? Better still….hands up for everyone who will vote for a Federal or Local Government who will get tough on Law and Order and start locking some of the degraders of our society up for once and for all. All this bollocks on TV and Radio about how our society is going to sh1t in a handbasket! No wonder!….nobody is responsible for anything!!!! It’s all somebody elses fault..or my up bringing, or my abuse as a child or ……..whatever?? We all have our cross to bear.

Tough sh1t..so do I, but I’m not out mugging, raping, stealing and cheating society. Come on society…lets vote for a better place for our kids to grow up and get rid of these soft on everything lunatics that are running the farm!. What say you? Are you gonna vote to retain our society as it is or as it should be?

Stand up and make yourself heard to your local Pollie! VOTE NOW!!!

You’ve got my vote, what political party do you represent? I too have had enough of all the pansy do-gooders. Bring back flogging and hanging, I say. We’ll soon see a reduction in crime.

Just had a thought, why not ship them back as convicts to where they or their forbears came from?

Thoroughly Smashed Thoroughly Smashed 9:43 am 02 Apr 10

One said :

This rolled in so I thought I would post it up none the less

“A Canberra magistrate was so rude during his sentencing of a criminal last year that he breached the defendant’s human rights, the Supreme Court has found”

See the published newspaper story at http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/local/news/general/magistrates-sentencing-under-fire/1792039.aspx?src=enews

Proves my point – soon we will have cops that have the power to judge, and apply capital punishment.

Not much wonder judges never gaol drunks for assulting people when the law allows it for an election donation to a political party. Fems love the funding too.

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Tooks Tooks 9:19 am 02 Apr 10

One said :

This rolled in so I thought I would post it up none the less

“A Canberra magistrate was so rude during his sentencing of a criminal last year that he breached the defendant’s human rights, the Supreme Court has found”

See the published newspaper story at http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/local/news/general/magistrates-sentencing-under-fire/1792039.aspx?src=enews

Proves my point – soon we will have cops that have the power to judge, and apply capital punishment.

Not much wonder judges never gaol drunks for assulting people when the law allows it for an election donation to a political party. Fems love the funding too.

You are an absolute nutter.

One One 11:48 pm 01 Apr 10

This rolled in so I thought I would post it up none the less

“A Canberra magistrate was so rude during his sentencing of a criminal last year that he breached the defendant’s human rights, the Supreme Court has found”

See the published newspaper story at http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/local/news/general/magistrates-sentencing-under-fire/1792039.aspx?src=enews

Proves my point – soon we will have cops that have the power to judge, and apply capital punishment.

Not much wonder judges never gaol drunks for assulting people when the law allows it for an election donation to a political party. Fems love the funding too.

Aurelius Aurelius 3:07 pm 01 Apr 10

Maybe it’s the folk festival down the road, but I’m pretty sure I can hear banjos….

ricci ricci 12:46 pm 01 Apr 10

Sound good to me, “bigfeet” although I am more inclined to probation, one-third, two thirds, maximum.

Bigbolt Bigbolt 12:37 pm 01 Apr 10

Jim Jones said :

So judges should be appointed according to popularity rather than ability?

If he was popular for locking repeat offenders up and not being soft yes we should. It might actually be a deterant from people committing crime if they know they are going to have the book thrown at them and remanded in custody. And if judges started handing out maximum sentences for crimes we keep these dregs of society crims off the street. And yes It most likely will be a appealed, keep them in remand while the appeal process takes place. Crims might start thinking twice about there actions. Maybe.

Matt in the Hatt Matt in the Hatt 8:26 am 01 Apr 10

Yeh for Craig T for saying it like it should be. Enough I say of all this prancing about quoting Human Rights and such…..lets take a leaf out of the Arkansas Sheriff’s book and put all these offenders in a jail where life is not a pile of fairy floss, dress them in pink duds, ban all gym related execise, make them work on road gangs, ban TV except the weather channel so they know how crap it will be out doors tomorrow, make them sleep on camp beds in tents, no visits by the missus for a quick Human Rights/Civil Libertarian approved shag and guess what…………………………..? Like in the Arkansas dude’s jail….they won’t want to come back and rarely do. Hands up to all those who want to stand up and yell at our Pollies/Magistrates and do gooders to CHANGE the way it’s done for the good of our future society? Better still….hands up for everyone who will vote for a Federal or Local Government who will get tough on Law and Order and start locking some of the degraders of our society up for once and for all. All this bollocks on TV and Radio about how our society is going to sh1t in a handbasket! No wonder!….nobody is responsible for anything!!!! It’s all somebody elses fault..or my up bringing, or my abuse as a child or ……..whatever?? We all have our cross to bear. Tough sh1t..so do I, but I’m not out mugging, raping, stealing and cheating society. Come on society…lets vote for a better place for our kids to grow up and get rid of these soft on everything lunatics that are running the farm!. What say you? Are you gonna vote to retain our society as it is or as it should be? Stand up and make yourself heard to your local Pollie! VOTE NOW!!!

bigfeet bigfeet 8:19 pm 31 Mar 10

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

Where do you draw the line

It’s been drawn. It’s called the law….

…But enlighten us anyway. How many cars should you steal before you’re locked away for the term of your natural life? Because the path you’re proposing will set the answer at ‘1’ – or are you soft on crime, like these namby pamby judges, giving people second chances they don’t deserve?

Well the law says that Taking a Motor Vehicle without Consent carries a penalty of 5 years imprisonment. When is that ever enforced?

We are a long way from the line in the sand.

I’m all for second chances for a mistake or bad decision. But what about people who don’t learn from that? How many chances do you believe people should get before they get the maximum sentence? Nine? Thirty-two? Fifty? Three thousand, nine hundred and twenty-eight? Enlighten us.

And for the record, here is my opinion for any crime that involves taking the property of another.

1st time…. Probation
2nd time…. One Quarter of available sentence
3rd time…. Half of Maximun Sentence
4th Time…. You obviously haven’t learnt…. Maximum Sentence for this and every subsequent time.

TheVirulentOne TheVirulentOne 7:02 pm 31 Mar 10

The problem with the courts is not necessarily the judges, but the fact that sentencing decisions are predicated on the concept of rehabilitation instead of punishment. Thus judges are forced to take into account the criminal’s (alleged) history, and the prospects of rehabilitation. As the Williams case again proves, many criminals will never be rehabilitated, and have no inclination to do so.

The solution is for sentences be recognised as punishment, and people who commit more than 1 crime, of any kind, be considered as recidivists who can’t be rehabilitated, and have their punishment judged according to the crime. This doesn’t mean we will need more jails, because all we need is the death penalty for any acts of violence.

Easy. Of course this won’t wash with any of the international conventions our governments have signed us up to without any consultation. And it won’t wash with the pinko do-gooders will whine loudly about how poor, abused kids will be punished, and then wheel out the one in a million example of someone converting from a criminal to a good citizen.

georgesgenitals georgesgenitals 6:55 pm 31 Mar 10

Sounds like we’re heading toward the 3 strikes and you’re out approach.

I’m actually a fan of this. I think a second chance, and then a third, is a fair amount of leeway to give someone. After that, it’s pretty obvious you don’t care about whatever the law is you’re breaking.

Swaggie Swaggie 6:39 pm 31 Mar 10

Nick D, try reading the article before asking if I vote

NickD NickD 6:28 pm 31 Mar 10

dubious75 said :

Troll or naive?

Troll

Swaggie said :

Note that the general public are NOT considered a stakeholder….

Don’t you vote in elections?

Woody Mann-Caruso Woody Mann-Caruso 6:28 pm 31 Mar 10

Where do you draw the line

It’s been drawn. It’s called the law. If you can’t see why having popularly elected judges making decisions pursuant to the mood of a vocal minority is a bad idea, well, you’re the reason why we shouldn’t have popularly elected judges.

But enlighten us anyway. How many cars should you steal before you’re locked away for the term of your natural life? Because the path you’re proposing will set the answer at ‘1’ – or are you soft on crime, like these namby pamby judges, giving people second chances they don’t deserve?

Clown Killer Clown Killer 5:40 pm 31 Mar 10

Nice troll! I was hoping we’d get to this. We’ve pretty much exhausted heaping sh!t on the twats involved in the actual collision so it was only a matter of time before the torch and pitch-fork wielding mob that is RiotACT would turn its attention to the underlying causes.

Let’s not be pansying about with your proposal though – let’s bring vicarious liability to the masses. How about, as well as the judge – we string up the DPP for not presenting their case in a water-tight enough manner, go after the parents of these maggots because after all it was their defective DNA and crap parenting that contributed to the offender being the way they are … hell you could probably get school teachers, friends, relatives the list goes on …

Swaggie Swaggie 4:19 pm 31 Mar 10

http://www.chiefminister.act.gov.au/media.php?v=5911&m=53&s=5 is a the process that’s currently followed with ‘stakeholders’ all being consulted as to who should be appointed and the final decision made, in effect, by that self seeking publicist Corbell. Note that the general public are NOT considered a stakeholder….

Jim Jones Jim Jones 3:29 pm 31 Mar 10

So judges should be appointed according to popularity rather than ability?

Grail Grail 1:08 pm 31 Mar 10

Well, Aurelius, methinks that letting a guy off after he’s stolen 20-something cars and written them all off, is possibly being a little soft. The guy should have been in the slammer a long time ago. Three car thefts? Ten car thefts? Fifteen car thefts?

Where do you draw the line and say, “I don’t believe your bollocks about being sorry, and I believe that you will reoffend in a very short time. You are a danger to yourself and society. Off to the gallows with you!”

harvyk1 harvyk1 11:43 am 31 Mar 10

Judges should have the ability to offer third \ fourth \ fifth chances taken away from them, and force the judges into actually punishing someone for a committing a crime.

harvyk1 harvyk1 11:40 am 31 Mar 10

The problem is that a judge must make findings based on laws, not personal opinion, based on the facts which are presented to them at the time. They can’t turn around and sentence someone to 10 years jail without laws permitting them to do so.

What needs to be done is the laws changed so that judges can not offer third chances. Sure if you break the law and get caught, the action of getting caught may be enough to place you on the straight and narrow, thus jail probably won’t do anything, but if you have a frequent flyers card for the back of a police car chances are the you are not going to learn from your mistakes because you have been arrested and placed infront of the courts. Infact you may even see it as a badge of honour.

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