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Why can’t we know the ACT Government’s position on 24 hour airport operations

By johnboy - 12 June 2009 38

The Greens’ Shane Rattenbury is expressing alarm that the ACT Government’s submission on the Draft Airport Master Plan has not been made public.

Are our leaders supporting 24 hour freight operations or are they opposing it?

Even those of us without strong views on the subject would probably like to know?

What’s Your opinion?


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SheepGroper 12:01 pm 20 Jun 09

Earlier this week Snow’s mouthpiece claimed on win news that 140 planes landed or took off at night this year with no-one hearing them, so he didn’t see any problem with cargo planes.

Ivan76 11:43 am 20 Jun 09

ant said :

Chop71 said :

Well done Johnboy. I never really thought about that before but yeah your spot on.
What do we export?

The crap brought in by noisy old planes for Sydney, that they can’t land in Sydney between 11pm and 6am. So they bring it here. Your sleep doesn’t matter!

Sydney has cargo planes taking off & landing 24hrs on the far runway, the curfew is for passenger planes only so this is not an issue.

ant 9:37 am 20 Jun 09

Not so good news for Snow’s plans to tout Canberra as an alternative airport for Sydney:

http://www.smh.com.au/national/second-airport-pops-up-on-radar-and-airlines-favour-richmond-20090619-cr86.html?skin=text-only

They’ve stated that Sydney’s next airport must be in the Sydney basin. Well, yeah.

Probably doesn’t aaffect the freight proposal though, unfortunately.

ant 12:11 am 16 Jun 09

It’s so sad that so many people won’t realise what it means until it’s too late. Why are people so self-satisfied that they can’t see threats for what they are? The airport has sold the line that Tralee will cop all the noise, and people who catch planes to Sydney can’t make the connection that planes go all over the place. And without a curfew, planes will go all over the place, at all hours, and there’ll be nothing anyone can do about it, once it’s happening.

Like I said, if it’s sustainable business it will probably get up.

And if the Canberra community doesn’t want it, we (and our elected representatives) need to make this clear.

sepi 9:09 pm 14 Jun 09

But it is Sydney’s demand for this stuff that the Airport is making their business case on.

Canberra doesn’t count at all, except as somewhere smaller than Sydney that can be pushed into suffering the overnight noise that Sydney residents won’t put up with.

Sustainable in what sense? If it makes business sense then it will likely happen. While we demand lots of different kinds of food, nice appliances, fancy houses and a range of clothing, goods will need to be transported here. If you want a better environment, help reduce demand by not buying this stuff.

ant 8:13 pm 14 Jun 09

I’d really question how sustainable it is.

Gungahlin Al 6:00 am 14 Jun 09

ant said :

Chop71 said :

Well done Johnboy. I never really thought about that before but yeah your spot on.
What do we export?

The crap brought in by noisy old planes for Sydney, that they can’t land in Sydney between 11pm and 6am. So they bring it here. Your sleep doesn’t matter!

And that’s the crux of this whole issue isn’t it?

Why should Canberra, with virtually no ambient night noise, have to cop noise that Sydney doesn’t want? Just so one family business can expand their operations into new (and it seems unwanted) fields?

sepi 10:48 pm 13 Jun 09

And if all of Sydney’s freight comes in to Canberra by air and out by truck, then that will leave the trucks empty coming from Sydney to Canberra, so that isn’t any kind of environmental saving.

ant 10:29 pm 13 Jun 09

Chop71 said :

Well done Johnboy. I never really thought about that before but yeah your spot on.
What do we export?

The crap brought in by noisy old planes for Sydney, that they can’t land in Sydney between 11pm and 6am. So they bring it here. Your sleep doesn’t matter!

ant 10:27 pm 13 Jun 09

miz said :

And hopefully we won’t get housing under the flight path (Tralee) either, as then we will DEFINITELY get freight noise all over town.

You’ll get it, either way.

deezagood 5:54 pm 13 Jun 09

I am vehemently against it … I have my reputation as a rampant NIMBY to uphold.

I’d support it just because it would annoy those living in Queanbeyan’s outer burbs ie Jerrabomberra

And then lots of Canberra will get to enjoy noise sharing. Good solution!

And the NSW govt is irritated enough about the gaol to push the issue, as I understand it.

I-filed 4:43 pm 13 Jun 09

Withholding a submission in these circumstances is suspect. You’d think that a government that is currently spending a motza on a consultancy to find out, um, how to listen to the public, would figure that they need to put their position on the table in order to have a meaningful discussion – on any topic.

I suspect the current “how should we be consulting” exercise is a purely political exercise – gather some buzzwords from the voting public to use in the next election campaign, and save the party that part of its campaign expenditure. A colleague tells me staffers were furiously scribbling notes in the background at a focus group recently …

miz 4:26 pm 13 Jun 09

And hopefully we won’t get housing under the flight path (Tralee) either, as then we will DEFINITELY get freight noise all over town.

cranky 3:09 pm 13 Jun 09

Given Sonic’s manipulation of noise limits to forestall the building of a drag strip, I cannot imagine any company setting up to fly overnight freight into/out of Canberra.

Their whole business could be slammed shut by irate citizens complaining loudly enough that Sonic makes an overnight decision that the noise is excessive, and that forthwith they are allowed a limit of 35dB noise output.

The lack of certainty in ACT Gov decision making has to mitigate against this project going ahead.

Gungahlin Al 2:38 pm 13 Jun 09

YapYapYap said :

I’love a dollar fo every time Gungahlin Al and houebound double-teamed on an issue on this site. Just a thought.

Yawn. You might just get enough for a cup of steaming International Roast from the CWA.

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