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Why can’t we know the ACT Government’s position on 24 hour airport operations

By johnboy - 12 June 2009 38

The Greens’ Shane Rattenbury is expressing alarm that the ACT Government’s submission on the Draft Airport Master Plan has not been made public.

Are our leaders supporting 24 hour freight operations or are they opposing it?

Even those of us without strong views on the subject would probably like to know?

What’s Your opinion?


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38 Responses to
Why can’t we know the ACT Government’s position on 24 hour airport operations
sepi 8:55 pm 12 Jun 09

Freight planes are usually old and noisy, so the noise would be worse than the passenger planes we get now.

monomania 7:28 pm 12 Jun 09

johnboy said :

Actually RnR the reason they want to build the freight hub here is that most of the trucks which bring goods to Canberra go home empty.

So while the diesel footprint might look bigger you need to look at the bigger picture.

If there is need for a freight hub why not put it in place where there is no need for passengers to be moved relatively quickly to their destination. That is away form populated areas.

Why should Canberrans pay the price of additional environmental pollution so that the Snow family and those on its teat benefit.

caf 6:04 pm 12 Jun 09

It’s pretty unlikely that they’d be using F/A-18s to carry freight in, sepi.

sepi 5:47 pm 12 Jun 09

The George Bush all night security flights was a bummer for the airport for sure. Before that I had no opinions about curfews, but after that fiasco I’ve been radically opposed to night flights.

poptop 5:17 pm 12 Jun 09

What I want to know is why the Greens, and specifically Mr Rattenbury, believe “The curfew should allow emergency flights, such as emergency landings, and medical evacuations, and VIP aircraft and Heads of Government to land and take-off during those hours”

Why should VIPs and HOGs be allowed to disturb our beauty sleep?

sepi 4:27 pm 12 Jun 09

Do we even know if ACT govt put in a submission? Shane seems to think they would have.

Gungahlin Al 4:23 pm 12 Jun 09

Frontrow, if you had attended the airport master plan workshops/meetings, tou would know that the freight hub has nothing to do with Qantas and what fits in the hold of passenger jets. It is about freight operators converging on Canberra from all cities (and some o/s sites) between 11.30 pm and 2 am each night, swapping their freight in a hanger over the Fairbairn side of the airfield and then scooting back off again.

And that is why the absence of any supportive submissions from such operators is a big deal.

HB: FOI – yes probably. Did one on the 2008 draft master plan as submitted by the airport to the minister. Airport refused to furnish a copy themselves, so I got it via FOI.

frontrow 4:10 pm 12 Jun 09

I don’t think Virgin carries any freight. Air traffic through Canberra is pretty much all Qantas because of the way public service travel booking works.

Jonathan Reynolds is claiming no major player in the freight industry is supportive, as long as you discount the only carrier that is going to carry any freight. I don’t care either way but this kind of logic won’t help his cause.

p1 3:59 pm 12 Jun 09

Mostly it floats away on its own hot air.

johnboy 3:45 pm 12 Jun 09

Chop71 said :

Well done Johnboy. I never really thought about that before but yeah your spot on.
What do we export?

Governance!

Not often shipped in a truck though!

Chop71 3:42 pm 12 Jun 09

Well done Johnboy. I never really thought about that before but yeah your spot on.
What do we export?

johnboy 2:02 pm 12 Jun 09

Actually RnR the reason they want to build the freight hub here is that most of the trucks which bring goods to Canberra go home empty.

So while the diesel footprint might look bigger you need to look at the bigger picture.

RuffnReady 1:59 pm 12 Jun 09

Making the Canberra airport effectively the Sydney freight hub would be a disaster for local residents (I live in Hackett and already put up with the airport noise), and a disaster for the environment. Just think, every piece of freight going through Canberra to Sydney would add another 300km of road diesel to its footprint. What a waste.

Why the hell did the government ever deregulate airports? They are fundamental public infrastructure – why subject their management to the profit motive?

housebound 1:30 pm 12 Jun 09

So are you putting in an FOI application?

Gungahlin Al 1:19 pm 12 Jun 09

Well perhaps we’ll be able to get a copy through FOI.

All the other submissions are now available, and Jonathon Reynolds has made the interesting point on that there are almost no submissions favouring the freight hub concept – only Qantas.

If the industry support for the idea was there, why are there no supportive submissions, surely it would not have been for want of the airport trying to get some it?

So if the freight industry doesn’t want it, and the community doesn’t want it, then the ACT Government’s position becomes even more important for us to know.

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