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Will the Civic Cycle Loop reverse Canberra’s declining rate of cycling? [With poll]

By Leon Arundell 22 August 2012 37

At the turn of the millennium Canberra had no on-road cycle lanes, 19% of Canberrans cycled more than once a month. Most of them were children. We had Australia’s highest rate of child cycling.

By 2009 we had 5,000 less child cyclists, and the proportion of Canberrans who cycled more than once a month had fallen to 18%. Our rate of cycling among children under ten is now lower than in any State except NSW.

What child cyclists need most is a safe route from home to school. It is doubtful that the Civic Cycle Loop will provide any new connections between homes and schools.

Economic analysis has identified sixty projects that are more cost-effective than the Civic Cycle Loop. None of them will happen before 2017 if we fund the entire $6 million Civic Cycle Loop from our four year $5.5 million walking and cycling infrastructure budget.

If we postpone the $2 million Bunda St and Allara St sections of the Civic Cycle Loop, we can fund the following projects:

    Inner South: Widen footpath on Wentworth Avenue; off road path from Deakin Offices to Adelaide Avenue.

    North Canberra: Off road paths along University avenue and Menindee Drive, and from the Lake to the War Memorial.

    Belconnen: Giralang Link off road path.

    Woden: Fisher off-road path; Mawson Shops off-road bypass; Athllon Drive off-road path missing link; Easty Street off road link; Aikman Drive on-road cycle lanes extension.

    Gungahlin: The Valley Avenue to Gundaroo Drive on road lanes

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Jethro 12:52 pm 23 Aug 12

BicycleCanberra said :

HenryBG said :

BicycleCanberra said :

Many of those secondary school children in Holland cycle up to 10km each way to school,

More dishonest crap from the cycling lobby. The average cycling commute in Holland isn’t even 5km, and it’s far less than that for schoolchildren.

BicycleCanberra said :

Only places like the Netherlands,Denmark ,Germany, China where the rates are still high for children cycling, ….

As I have demonstrated before, cycling facilities in the ACT exceed those of Holland in terms of km/user by a factor of 5.
IOW, our effort on cycling infrastructure is already massively higher than in those countries.

What utter rubbish! Secondary schools in Holland are few and far between, you can ask David Hembrow (aviewfromthecyclepath.com) & Mark Wagenbuurg (bicycledutch.wordpress.com/) they will tell you many secondary students cycle up to 10km/h each way some 15km/h. It is the quality of the infrastructure that allows them to do so. http://youtu.be/gAYjUHKlH9k

Any time you want to go for a cycle and compare ACT infrastructure with cycling facilities in Holland I’m there. What rubbish to say that facilities in Canberra are better than Holland. You are on another planet mate! Just take a look at Marks’ latest post …
http://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2012/08/23/spectacular-new-floating-cycle-roundabout/

You are arguing with a man who ferociously believes that climate change is a serious threat but who refuses to accept the important role switching to bicycle transport can play in reducing emissions. The same man who deplores trucks because they are so heavy the destroy road surfaces but hates bicycles, which are the least damaging vehicle to road surfaces.

BicycleCanberra 12:36 pm 23 Aug 12

HenryBG said :

BicycleCanberra said :

Many of those secondary school children in Holland cycle up to 10km each way to school,

More dishonest crap from the cycling lobby. The average cycling commute in Holland isn’t even 5km, and it’s far less than that for schoolchildren.

BicycleCanberra said :

Only places like the Netherlands,Denmark ,Germany, China where the rates are still high for children cycling, ….

As I have demonstrated before, cycling facilities in the ACT exceed those of Holland in terms of km/user by a factor of 5.
IOW, our effort on cycling infrastructure is already massively higher than in those countries.

What utter rubbish! Secondary schools in Holland are few and far between, you can ask David Hembrow (aviewfromthecyclepath.com) & Mark Wagenbuurg (bicycledutch.wordpress.com/) they will tell you many secondary students cycle up to 10km/h each way some 15km/h. It is the quality of the infrastructure that allows them to do so. http://youtu.be/gAYjUHKlH9k

Any time you want to go for a cycle and compare ACT infrastructure with cycling facilities in Holland I’m there. What rubbish to say that facilities in Canberra are better than Holland. You are on another planet mate! Just take a look at Marks’ latest post …
http://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2012/08/23/spectacular-new-floating-cycle-roundabout/

Thumper 12:03 pm 23 Aug 12

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

BicycleCanberra said :

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

BicycleCanberra said :

keepitup said :

bitzermaloney said :

How many cyclists are going to use it (and stop at all the lights, get off and walk, and get back on)

Are you supposed to get off and walk at lights?

If there isn’t a cycle light then you are supposed to apparently. Another of the unfriendly cycle laws and infrastructure in the ACT

It’s about as unfriendly to cyclists as speed limits are to cars.

…But then cars kill don’t they. Speed limits are supposed to save lives. Just like encouraging physical activity will save many lives ,like walking and cycling

Absolutely, just like riding across an intersection or pedestrian crossing where the cyclist is supposed to be walking can kill the cyclist. I’ve had several close calls over the years with cyclists not doing the right thing.

As a motorcyclist I’m amazed at this ‘it is legal therefore I’ll do it’ attitude.

Being in the right whilst lying on the road bleeding to death or with mutiple fractures doesn’t really help.

On my motorcycle I try to stay away from cars as much as possible. They are big, heavy, made of hard stuff and are generally driven by half asleep idiots. If one hits me it makes no difference that I was in the right as I will be (a) seriously injured or (b) dead.

And neither is a healthy option.

And for the record, I’m all for cycling to work or wherever and in different circumstances I would do the same.

VYBerlinaV8_is_back 11:47 am 23 Aug 12

BicycleCanberra said :

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

BicycleCanberra said :

keepitup said :

bitzermaloney said :

How many cyclists are going to use it (and stop at all the lights, get off and walk, and get back on)

Are you supposed to get off and walk at lights?

If there isn’t a cycle light then you are supposed to apparently. Another of the unfriendly cycle laws and infrastructure in the ACT

It’s about as unfriendly to cyclists as speed limits are to cars.

…But then cars kill don’t they. Speed limits are supposed to save lives. Just like encouraging physical activity will save many lives ,like walking and cycling

Absolutely, just like riding across an intersection or pedestrian crossing where the cyclist is supposed to be walking can kill the cyclist. I’ve had several close calls over the years with cyclists not doing the right thing.

HenryBG 11:45 am 23 Aug 12

BicycleCanberra said :

Many of those secondary school children in Holland cycle up to 10km each way to school,

More dishonest crap from the cycling lobby. The average cycling commute in Holland isn’t even 5km, and it’s far less than that for schoolchildren.

BicycleCanberra said :

Only places like the Netherlands,Denmark ,Germany, China where the rates are still high for children cycling, ….

As I have demonstrated before, cycling facilities in the ACT exceed those of Holland in terms of km/user by a factor of 5.
IOW, our effort on cycling infrastructure is already massively higher than in those countries.

BicycleCanberra 11:28 am 23 Aug 12

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

BicycleCanberra said :

keepitup said :

bitzermaloney said :

How many cyclists are going to use it (and stop at all the lights, get off and walk, and get back on)

Are you supposed to get off and walk at lights?

If there isn’t a cycle light then you are supposed to apparently. Another of the unfriendly cycle laws and infrastructure in the ACT

It’s about as unfriendly to cyclists as speed limits are to cars.

…But then cars kill don’t they. Speed limits are supposed to save lives. Just like encouraging physical activity will save many lives ,like walking and cycling

VYBerlinaV8_is_back 11:14 am 23 Aug 12

BicycleCanberra said :

keepitup said :

bitzermaloney said :

How many cyclists are going to use it (and stop at all the lights, get off and walk, and get back on)

Are you supposed to get off and walk at lights?

If there isn’t a cycle light then you are supposed to apparently. Another of the unfriendly cycle laws and infrastructure in the ACT

It’s about as unfriendly to cyclists as speed limits are to cars.

BicycleCanberra 11:11 am 23 Aug 12

keepitup said :

bitzermaloney said :

How many cyclists are going to use it (and stop at all the lights, get off and walk, and get back on)

Are you supposed to get off and walk at lights?

If there isn’t a cycle light then you are supposed to apparently. Another of the unfriendly cycle laws and infrastructure in the ACT

keepitup 10:28 am 23 Aug 12

bitzermaloney said :

How many cyclists are going to use it (and stop at all the lights, get off and walk, and get back on)

Are you supposed to get off and walk at lights?

poetix 9:43 am 23 Aug 12

enrique said :

I’d say that the decline in children is more closely linked to the preferences of their mothers….

Indeed. Women just won’t have as many of them as they used to.

And if we ever meet, and you refer to me as a member of the group ‘mums’, I will get suddenly snarky. Tie you up with an apron or throw scones at you or something.

I don’t necessarily disagree with the points you are making though. Speaking as a mum…(Now I must kill myself. And change my RiotACT name to rhymemamma.)

enrique 8:34 am 23 Aug 12

I’d say that the decline in children is more closely linked to the preferences of their mothers. If you have a decreasing level of comfort/acceptance of riding by mums then you will see a decreasing level of kids riding.

One way to increase numbers of children riding could be to get the mums back on the bikes themselves.

Just casually, some of the behavior I observe when riding by mums and kids is that they generally fear riding on the road.

In times gone by, Canberra had a very well regarded network of well maintained non-road bike paths & footpaths – mums were pretty comfortable with this. Over the past decade, you’ve seen the introduction of on-road cycle lanes. Mums will have perhaps had a go at riding on these new cycle lanes or drove past them in their cars and may have come to the conclusion that they don’t like them and thus this might be flowing down as preferences to their kids.

Make the cylce-lanes safer and you’ll increase comfort levels in mums which will ultimately lead to them being a bit more at ease in getting their kids to ride to school.

Aeek 11:35 pm 22 Aug 12

I see children riding to Aranda Primary all the time. When I used to ride that way, I met them riding up the footpath next to Bindubi with an adult escort. They would have had a fun descent from Cook and a workout climbing back up through bushland. Awesome.

puggy 7:41 pm 22 Aug 12

bitzermaloney said :

For some excerise you’re better off cycling around the lake (west basin to avoid all the PS’s going for a walk)…

I’d be taking the Civic Cycle loop to get places, not actually as an exercise run. I find I often want to duck to the Canberra Centre or Braddon to pick up bits of groceries or something. At the moment I’m not too confident of where I should be riding to get there, for everyone’s safety. I’m hoping the cycle loop solves that problem. It’s a 2km walk and driving is very slow of a lunchtime.

Leon 3:10 pm 22 Aug 12

colourful sydney racing identity said :

JTC said :

Leon, I’d love to know where your data has come from about cycling rates?

My original data came from the ABS, the Australian Sports Commission and Austroads. For more detail, see http://grapevine.net.au/~mccluskeyarundell/CyclingDecline.html.

milkman 2:45 pm 22 Aug 12

devils_advocate said :

dtc said :

I should add that as a regular rider on the very busy Dickson-Civic bike path, if the mostly middle aged men didnt think they had to provide themselves by riding at top speed and weaving in and out of the kids also riding on the path (at much slower speed), that might help encourage kids to ride. Slow down and take a wide route around the kid. Once you get past Lyneham Primary or Turner Primary, there wont be any more kids and you can speed to your heart’s content.

Nothing would be more gratifying to me than to see a ridiculously low speed limit for bicycle paths, enforced by a bunch of revenue-grubbing consultants with no regard for whether the speeding is actually dangerous in the targeted area.

Indeed.

devils_advocate 2:29 pm 22 Aug 12

dtc said :

I should add that as a regular rider on the very busy Dickson-Civic bike path, if the mostly middle aged men didnt think they had to provide themselves by riding at top speed and weaving in and out of the kids also riding on the path (at much slower speed), that might help encourage kids to ride. Slow down and take a wide route around the kid. Once you get past Lyneham Primary or Turner Primary, there wont be any more kids and you can speed to your heart’s content.

Nothing would be more gratifying to me than to see a ridiculously low speed limit for bicycle paths, enforced by a bunch of revenue-grubbing consultants with no regard for whether the speeding is actually dangerous in the targeted area.

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