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Your money to prop up the Labor party [With Poll]

By johnboy 3 June 2011 36

The Canberra Times has a story on plans by the Labor Government to pay licenced clubs (of which the Labor party owns four with some skin in the game at two more) around $30 million to cover the costs of the Andrew Wilkie poker reforms.

The Canberra Labor Club group, which operates nearly 10 per cent of the city’s poker machines, could stand to benefit by up to $3million in cash or tax breaks as the ACT Government looks for Commonwealth backing to provide local clubs with a $30million soft landing.

Canberra’s pokies industry says that the Government ministers are in an untenable position, acting as regulators for the pokies trade while their party benefits from the proceeds of gambling.

Gaming Minister Andrew Barr has said that it would cost $25 million to retrofit or replace Canberra’s gambling machines with the new technology and up to $6 million to install a central monitoring capability and that the capital’s clubs could not afford to shoulder the expense without government help.

But the minister says the ACT Government will expect Commonwealth support for the cost of compensating the territory’s clubs for the massive expenditure.

And this way the clubs’ massive contributions to the re-election of the Labor party can continue uninterrupted.

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Onceler 9:59 am 02 Sep 11

Chop71 said :

rip em out and put on some live music, clubs are boring!!!

Damn straight! Soul-sucking infernal machines. Melt ’em down and sell the scrap.

Chop71 9:06 am 02 Sep 11

rip em out and put on some live music, clubs are boring!!!

I-filed 9:54 pm 01 Sep 11

How is this all going? SBS has just reported (I only half heard) something about the ACT Government hand in glove with the clubs “insisting on a trial” re Wilkie’s pre-commitment insistence. Nuh. Let’s get ACT Labor off the gambling revenue drip and give the ratepayers who are picking up the tab for so many neglected kids, a bit of a break.

canberralocal 6:50 pm 05 Jun 11

creative_canberran said :

Nice to see the ACT Labor Government are just as corrupt as the recently routed NSW and Victorian counterparts. Pity the alternatives are so dire. Libs who can’t spell their own MLA’s names nor write policy or The Greens who at the first chance will outlaw cars and rename the ACT “New Cuba”.

As for the clubs, stuff them. If they can’t turn a profit from things other than gambling, too bad. Plenty of other places to get cheap, nasty meals and crappy entertainment.

+1 for all of the above.

Brianna 1:45 pm 05 Jun 11

The Frots said :

Whats the difference between a politician and a flathead? Ones a scum sucking , bottom dweller…………………………and the other is a fish!

+++++++++1

shadow boxer 1:52 am 05 Jun 11

No I am saying these are private sporting, social or community clubs using internal gambling among their members to raise funds for the benefit of the same members. Very different to NSW where pokie profits go in someones pocket.

You dont have to join or gamble if you don/t like it. I’m also saying this scheme is a massive waste of money because it simply wont achieve anything except further centralising thr club industry to the big players as smaller clubs wont be able to afford it.

Skidbladnir 11:51 pm 04 Jun 11

PantsMan said :

I suppose this is one way to get a Independant Commission Against Coruption for the London Circut Soviet.

Marching a NSW Govt Agency operating under NSW Law across the ACT border to investigate the ACT bureaucracy?
Good luck with that.

(Also, do we even have such an entity for ACT Govt?)

PantsMan 9:04 pm 04 Jun 11

I suppose this is one way to get a Independant Commission Against Coruption for the London Circut Soviet.

I also found it VERY FUNNY when they changed the gaming tax schedules in a 2005 (in a technical amendment Bill) to hit smaller clubs harder, while leaving larger clubs paying the same!?!

Skidbladnir 7:24 pm 04 Jun 11

shadow boxer said :

Yeh probably wrong thread but if you change the rules to the extent that a legitimate business can’t survive you need to compensate the business.

It would be a fair enough call ordinarily, but the very _legitimacy_ of the Minister’s interest here is up for question due to the acknowledged association and influence issues of the Labor Party being a beneficiary or the Labor Club Group’s operations, and for the ACT Government (through that Minister) to so quickly volunteer ACT taxpayer cash as compensation for a Commonwealth Outcome before any legislation or regulation is tabled, funded, or even has policy developed is -mighty- strange.

shadow boxer said :

$31 million just in the ACT…

And for an industry that already gets a 40 million dollar deduction, has almost 200 million in revenue locally, and almost two billion dollars wagered locally per annum, a ome-off cost absorbption isn’t a big ask.
Buy the tech and let it depreciate like any other business asset.

shadow boxer said :

Here’s a self regulation idea for you that wont cost anyone anything, if you dont want to gamble… Don’t join the club or cancel your membership.

Wait, so in your mind Clubs are synonymous with gambling?
Strange then, that they claim to only use the poker machines as a means of supporting their primary activities, then.
The only entities that supports gambling for the sake if gambling tend to be casinos and TABs.
Should we regulate, tax, and oversee Clubs as much a we do those?

hax 7:02 pm 04 Jun 11

I-filed said :

Where the hell is our Opposition when we need one?

Where the hell is your support for an opposition when we need one?

Too many people blindly voting for and supporting one party = weak opposition, plus a government who knows they have a LOT of leeway to just walk all over you again and again. They will get voted in again anyway.

If you want a strong / existant opposition, how about supporting one? (crazy talk, I know)

shadow boxer 6:22 pm 04 Jun 11

Yeh probably wrong thread but if you change the rules to the extent that a legitimate business can’t survive you need to compensate the business.

$31 million just in the ACT for an idea that quite clearly wont work is somewhat ridiculous, the clubs will just have generic pre-filled out forms that pre commit for $10,000 and you sign it on the way in.

Here’s a self regulation idea for you that wont cost anyone anything, if you dont want to gamble or dont trust yourself, don’t join the club or cancel your membership.

Thumper 6:19 pm 04 Jun 11

Where the hell is our Opposition when we need one?

To be fair they have been making noises but for some reason the media is generally ignoring it.

LSWCHP 6:16 pm 04 Jun 11

Scum. Mongrels. Bastards.

My blood boiled when I read this. I’ve voted Labor almost all my life, but the situation in the ACT is so bad that I feel compelled to vote against these turds at the next election.

I never thought I’d see the bloody day.

creative_canberran 5:39 pm 04 Jun 11

shadow boxer said :

It’s interesting how people feel they are entitled to an opinion and a share of the profits emanating from a private club. Every cent of pokies revenue comes from members or guests of members, it is not consolidated revenue for the community.

If you don’t like the way your club is run get involved, if you’re not a member it’s not really your problem or concern.

It damn well is when tax payer money may be paid to sustain clubs.

Skidbladnir 4:54 pm 04 Jun 11

shadow boxer said :

It’s interesting how people feel they are entitled to an opinion and a share of the profits emanating from a private club.

Are you sure you’re in the right topic?
The clubs who are begging for a handout of public money to maintain their business operations?

Those private Clubs?
I never said I wanted a share of their money, but somehow when those ‘private’ clubs feel they deserve a share of your taxes, I”m the one with entitlement issues?

Erg0 4:41 pm 04 Jun 11

shadow boxer said :

It’s interesting how people feel they are entitled to an opinion and a share of the profits emanating from a private club. Every cent of pokies revenue comes from members or guests of members, it is not consolidated revenue for the community.

Would those be the same private clubs that are being given taxpayers’ money to allow them to maintain their business model?

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