Cats in the drain

KB1971 said :

motleychick said :

Barry S – you have issues. I’d go see someone about that.

Is anybody else creeped out by his posts in a Hannibal Lecterish way?

Or is it just me?

No, it’s not just you.

motleychick said :

Barry S – you have issues. I’d go see someone about that.

Is anybody else creeped out by his posts in a Hannibal Lecterish way?

Or is it just me?

I think we can assume that these cats are halfway to Adelaide by now.

Erg0 said :

Barry: Not that I disagree with your general point, but I’m really starting to wonder where you picked up your hangups.

Exactly right.

Barry S – you have issues. I’d go see someone about that.

Barry: Not that I disagree with your general point, but I’m really starting to wonder where you picked up your hangups.

Barry S said :

So, motleychick (post #72), you just woke up one morning and said, ‘Wow, I just realised how much I hate cats.’ Since you are so intelligent, show us how rational you are and come clean on where you picked up your beliefs. It didn’t just pop into your head. Going by what you have said I sense that it is from your childhood. Is that correct?
I note also that you came within a, er, whisker of using the big V word: vermin. How often do you hear lower class males describe cats as vermin – not foxes, not dogs, not pigs, just cats. The reason for it is that, in their mind, it ‘legitimises’ their cruelty towards them. But of course the ultimate object is to show, in a metaphorical sense, what a huge penis they have because they are ‘hard’ men who abuse cute furry little things. Pathetic, isn’t it, but that’s humans for you. And, as i said, it is just one step away from the impulse that leads men to bully and abuse women.
BTW, on the subject i raised earlier of some women submitting to the values of their partner, if you would like to understand a little about the psychology of the dependency that causes it, you could start by reading up on criminal cases where a woman has initially defended a partner who committed a particularly heinous crime. It is particularly well explained in the reports on cases involving the sexual abuse and murder of young girls. One in Britain a while ago comes to mind, but I won’t name names because the woman has now been released from prison.

Wow, how did we get here from a few cats in a drain……

Barry S said :

So, motleychick (post #72), you just woke up one morning and said, ‘Wow, I just realised how much I hate cats.’ Since you are so intelligent, show us how rational you are and come clean on where you picked up your beliefs. It didn’t just pop into your head. Going by what you have said I sense that it is from your childhood. Is that correct?
I note also that you came within a, er, whisker of using the big V word: vermin. How often do you hear lower class males describe cats as vermin – not foxes, not dogs, not pigs, just cats. The reason for it is that, in their mind, it ‘legitimises’ their cruelty towards them. But of course the ultimate object is to show, in a metaphorical sense, what a huge penis they have because they are ‘hard’ men who abuse cute furry little things. Pathetic, isn’t it, but that’s humans for you. And, as i said, it is just one step away from the impulse that leads men to bully and abuse women.
BTW, on the subject i raised earlier of some women submitting to the values of their partner, if you would like to understand a little about the psychology of the dependency that causes it, you could start by reading up on criminal cases where a woman has initially defended a partner who committed a particularly heinous crime. It is particularly well explained in the reports on cases involving the sexual abuse and murder of young girls. One in Britain a while ago comes to mind, but I won’t name names because the woman has now been released from prison.

Cats are vermin: vermin: any vertebrate or invertebrate animals of an objectionable kind.
Saunders Comprehensive Veterinary Dictionary, 3 ed. © 2007 Elsevier, Inc. All rights reserved

BTW, in a post a while ago i provided two links that show that not all humans are evil or stupid. They were:

http://www.alleycat.org/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=191
http://www.caboodleranch.org/

I am pleased to tell you that similar organisations operate in Australia. Here’s a couple of links of interest:

http://www.saveourstrays.org.au/apps/blog/
http://www.petrescue.com.au/

So, motleychick (post #72), you just woke up one morning and said, ‘Wow, I just realised how much I hate cats.’ Since you are so intelligent, show us how rational you are and come clean on where you picked up your beliefs. It didn’t just pop into your head. Going by what you have said I sense that it is from your childhood. Is that correct?
I note also that you came within a, er, whisker of using the big V word: vermin. How often do you hear lower class males describe cats as vermin – not foxes, not dogs, not pigs, just cats. The reason for it is that, in their mind, it ‘legitimises’ their cruelty towards them. But of course the ultimate object is to show, in a metaphorical sense, what a huge penis they have because they are ‘hard’ men who abuse cute furry little things. Pathetic, isn’t it, but that’s humans for you. And, as i said, it is just one step away from the impulse that leads men to bully and abuse women.
BTW, on the subject i raised earlier of some women submitting to the values of their partner, if you would like to understand a little about the psychology of the dependency that causes it, you could start by reading up on criminal cases where a woman has initially defended a partner who committed a particularly heinous crime. It is particularly well explained in the reports on cases involving the sexual abuse and murder of young girls. One in Britain a while ago comes to mind, but I won’t name names because the woman has now been released from prison.

georgesgenitals said :

I bet they’ll be back. They would know where to go by now.

The “Drain Cats of Woden™” have survived!

Well, at least two have, but I’m sure the rest are fine to, although I guess if anyone really wants to know, they will just have to look in the next GPT downstream of Woden.

Pic 1
Pic 2

LikeWhoa said :

I think today’s rain took care of the ‘problem’, (if a few cats hanging out in a stormwater drain is a problem). The water was nearly up to the edge this morning, and there was only one lone cat sitting outside his hole, very close to getting swept away. I’d say most of them would be gone now, but they could surprise me..

I bet they’ll be back. They would know where to go by now.

I think today’s rain took care of the ‘problem’, (if a few cats hanging out in a stormwater drain is a problem). The water was nearly up to the edge this morning, and there was only one lone cat sitting outside his hole, very close to getting swept away. I’d say most of them would be gone now, but they could surprise me..

Captain RAAF said :

motleychick said :

I’m also a dog owner – does that make me selfish?

No, being a fishmonger makes you selfish.

Actually, selling fish makes you a fishmonger.

motleychick said :

I’m also a dog owner – does that make me selfish?

No, being a fishmonger makes you selfish.

Barry S said :

Motleychick, i once knew a woman who said something anti-cat and i said to her: ‘That wouldn’t be an opinion you picked up in the past from a lower-class male acquaintance, would it?’ After a moment’s reflection, to her GREAT CREDIT, she said ‘yes’ and she realised how foolish she had been. I have undying admiration for her for being big enough to admit to it.
So, Motleychick, from which male in your past did you adopt your views.
Please, don’t write back with standard ‘oh, but think about the environment’. Again, see my ealier posts. Foxes kill more wildlife but they are not the subject of such venom. in fact, they are often admired. Feral dogs have wiped out mammalian wildlife in the near sururbs. and let’s not forget the swans and ducks killed around the lake by selfish dog owners. then of course there is all the road kill. Where is your venom for all of this, Motleychick.
PS when i use the term ‘lower class’ i do not mean people who are economically disadvantaged. I am referring to people who are unable to suppress their primitive inherent urges.

Are you serious? Hahahahah you seem to have an intense hatred for males, yet you are one. How odd.

I did not pick up my views from any male – I am intelligent enough to make my own choices and decisions on what I like and dislike. I don’t give a shit about the environment, I just don’t like cats – I think they are disgusting. Just like rats and mice.

I’m also a dog owner – does that make me selfish?

You really have some serious issues. I’d stop making assumptions about people – it’ll get you into trouble one day.

Motleychick, i once knew a woman who said something anti-cat and i said to her: ‘That wouldn’t be an opinion you picked up in the past from a lower-class male acquaintance, would it?’ After a moment’s reflection, to her GREAT CREDIT, she said ‘yes’ and she realised how foolish she had been. I have undying admiration for her for being big enough to admit to it.
So, Motleychick, from which male in your past did you adopt your views.
Please, don’t write back with standard ‘oh, but think about the environment’. Again, see my ealier posts. Foxes kill more wildlife but they are not the subject of such venom. in fact, they are often admired. Feral dogs have wiped out mammalian wildlife in the near sururbs. and let’s not forget the swans and ducks killed around the lake by selfish dog owners. then of course there is all the road kill. Where is your venom for all of this, Motleychick.
PS when i use the term ‘lower class’ i do not mean people who are economically disadvantaged. I am referring to people who are unable to suppress their primitive inherent urges.

motleychick said :

I hate cats and I’m female, so what does that make me?

You might hate cats, but do you run around bragging about how you’d like to kill ’em?

p1 said :

motleychick said :

WOW that is a massive assumption, don’t you think? I hate cats and I’m female, so what does that make me?

Butch, apparently.

LOL!

motleychick said :

WOW that is a massive assumption, don’t you think? I hate cats and I’m female, so what does that make me?

Butch, apparently.

Barry S said :

Hi All,
First, to Capt RAAF, please read my post #s 45 and 51 about those males who do not have the intelligence to suppress their primitive urge for tribal supremacy. I never ceased to be amazed at how people are unable to rationalise their behaviour and aren’t embarrassed by it. Males who suffer from the ‘butch syndrome’ – the primitive urge to socially elevate themselves by appearing to be callous and tough – are, psychologically, nothing better than bullies and are just one step away from being abusers of women. Yes, you can always pick them. They are the sort of males who adopt a dominant relationship with their partner – always telling them what they want them to do, speaking to them loudly to force them into submission and so on. They probably don’t see it as abuse, but the fact that they feel compelled to dominate them makes it abuse. One last thing before moving off this unpleasant part of my post. Capt RAAF, if you respond to this you will do so in one of four ways. I won’t state what they are until we see your response. All of them are typical and predicable where people with your mindset are involved.

WOW that is a massive assumption, don’t you think? I hate cats and I’m female, so what does that make me?

Hi All,
First, to Capt RAAF, please read my post #s 45 and 51 about those males who do not have the intelligence to suppress their primitive urge for tribal supremacy. I never ceased to be amazed at how people are unable to rationalise their behaviour and aren’t embarrassed by it. Males who suffer from the ‘butch syndrome’ – the primitive urge to socially elevate themselves by appearing to be callous and tough – are, psychologically, nothing better than bullies and are just one step away from being abusers of women. Yes, you can always pick them. They are the sort of males who adopt a dominant relationship with their partner – always telling them what they want them to do, speaking to them loudly to force them into submission and so on. They probably don’t see it as abuse, but the fact that they feel compelled to dominate them makes it abuse. One last thing before moving off this unpleasant part of my post. Capt RAAF, if you respond to this you will do so in one of four ways. I won’t state what they are until we see your response. All of them are typical and predicable where people with your mindset are involved.
Moving along to more pleasant issues, i visited the location and met a member of this forum there. Before meeting her i came across a person who feeds them regularly – not the asian lady, whom i have not met yet – and asked her to contact me if there were any cats that needed to be looked after. The animals are healthy, but it would be great if they could be de-sexed. I’m going to speak to some people who do this at another location and see what they have to say. Any intelligent suggestions would be appreciated. It concerns me that the colony has been stable in numbers for the past couple of years. Although i am sure they are subjected to harrassment, they have safe refuges. For example, while i was there speaking to the woman who feeds them, three yobbos came along and started harrassing them. Actually, just one of the three did; the other two looked to be embarrassed by the third person’s behaviour. The one harrassing them actually seemed to have brain damage, going by the involuntary spasms of his facial muscles. But, that’s Australia for you. The sad news of the bashing to death of the tamarind monkey stolen in Brisbane is a typical example of how we allow – or should that be encourage – males to grow up with all the wrong psychological excess baggage. There are other possibilities as to why the numbers are stable, but i won’t go into them here.
I am available to trap stray or distressed animals at any time. My contact email address is in an earlier post.
To show that the world is not all bad, here’s a couple of interesting web sites to read:
http://www.alleycat.org/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=191
http://www.caboodleranch.org/

carnardly said :

Every night they raid the bins at Phillip College and the Hell Club for leftovers for dinner.

Ive seen them on the pokies too, i believe one feral tortoise shell won the major prize on the choo choo trains!!!

Don’t you go out in the drain,
Don’t go out in the Woden drain,
if you go out in the drain,
you’ll never get that time again..

Human beings are a plague

Only the ones with active bubos.

I agree humans are plagues on the plannet, they destroy everything on the plannet, not animals.

Captain RAAF said :

JessP said :

I love cats. Really, really love cats. I am a responsible cat owner and all that.

But I believe that humane euthanasia would be best for these guys.

Not a great life – scavenging for food, killing wildlife, fights with other cats, injuries (untreated), illness and disease (Heard of Feline HIV?), taking risks on roads and the interchange, taking even more risks when it rains and flood through that drain. Not a nice life.

huh? Are you from another planet? Not agreat life???? These cats are in cat heaven, livin it up, rootin, killing, stalkin till the sun comes up, sleepin all day, catchin rays, then starting all over again. As far as cats go, and I hate em all, these blokes are living the life!

Now, I must destroy them!

Gonna start a rain dance, or are you considering more direct action?

JessP said :

I love cats. Really, really love cats. I am a responsible cat owner and all that.

But I believe that humane euthanasia would be best for these guys.

Not a great life – scavenging for food, killing wildlife, fights with other cats, injuries (untreated), illness and disease (Heard of Feline HIV?), taking risks on roads and the interchange, taking even more risks when it rains and flood through that drain. Not a nice life.

huh? Are you from another planet? Not agreat life???? These cats are in cat heaven, livin it up, rootin, killing, stalkin till the sun comes up, sleepin all day, catchin rays, then starting all over again. As far as cats go, and I hate em all, these blokes are living the life!

Now, I must destroy them!

arescarti42 said :

*awaits some anti cat comment from Captain RAAF*

Never fear Arsecat, I am here!

Where is this place? I will deal with these little fuqqers!

Happy to meet you there Carnardly. Could you email me some time today at (barry dot catrescue at gmail dot com).

No worries barry – ’tis all good. I was just worried that you were gunna get rid of them lock, stock and barrell. I for one have contacted the rspca previously about borrowing a trap to catch them and have spoken a vet at the Colbee Court practice about this.

I went past them today and saw about 5 just sitting there huddled up together dozing and another few youngies playing. They are not increasing to plague numbers and are fed proper cat food pretty regularly. It may be every day but maybe not – although many days there is evidence of new food there even if she’s not there. I have seen the regular lady many times – she has a big bowl of tin food and bags of crunchies and she puts it out into different piles to stop any squabbles or the leaders hogging it all. By watching the way they respond to her, ie they all start running to her and squeaking and meowing i have no doubt that many of them can come good. They might never be comfortable in a house full of kids but with calm responsible adults i don’t doubt it. I think the floods that happen every time it rains also helps in population control unfortunately.

Some of them are very prettily marked and one of the leaders is a short haired black and white one with a white tip on his tail. He/She is one of the bravest of his family. There is a lovely black long haired one and its family in the tunnell right next to the bridge.

I don’t think i can take on any more cats now – but am interested in knowing more about cat rescue… *off to google*. If any of these are trapped, i would seriously consider taking one though.

If you want, i would be happy to meet you there one time and tell you what i know and show you for yourself?

You are a good human, carnardly. My rescue friends and I will trap feral cats only if they have injuries, are overpopulated, are losing their territory or are at risk in some other way. If you hear of any such situation email me at barry dot catrescue at gmail dot com. More importantly, i am always ready to offer assistance to people who have to deal with an abandoned cat. I can trap the cat for them and, if it is rehomable, i can pass it on to rescue people who will do this. If it is unlikely that we can rehome it, we take it to the RSPCA where it will at least have some chance of a good future. Bye for now.

Barry – ok fairy nuff – your last post sounded a bit strong – ie round em up, kill em all. I personally wouldn’t like that to happen.

They look to be in fairly good condition, with the lean look of street cats. A few near the bridge are healtily fat and spend all day blobbing and snoozing. A couple of the long haired ones are a bit tatty in the coat but that’s to be expected given they’ve never had a brush. I’ve never seen any with obvious injuries although they could all do with a worming. Its almost like one big faimly there. People pass by them at all hours of the day. When teenagers or bogans or art graffity sprayers (the legal ones) go down, they all just disappear into the tunnells until they’ve gone. They get to within a foot of you if you just sit and wait. (and no – i’m not the asian feeding lady). But if you approach them without food – they will give you the look of wild eyed terror. I think in a single household and a desexing a lot could come good. Hell, i’ve done it before with other cats.

I did broach the subject with a vet previously – desexing on masse – for release – they were happy to subsidise that cost.

Thanks P1. I have a fair idea where it is. And, carnardly, i just want to check it out. the problem is that when they are fed in a single location they all gravitate to that area and have to fight for the territory. often they are living with horrific injuries as a result. Also, the breeding has to be brought under control because the kittens suffer horribly as nature balances numbers to food supply. Finally, judging by the grafitti and the location, it is likely that they are subject to harrassment. Foot injuries from broken bottles (because the ACT govt is too beholden to alcohol companies and their money to require deposits on glass bottles) are likely.
Thanks again for the info. I won’t post again except perhaps to give an update in a month or so.

Why should you have to “attend to the problem”? Are you the judge of who should stay and who should go? If people get the idea you’re just going to do them all in, maybe they don’t want to tell you where they are. They keep down the rat population in the area and its hardly an area for pristine native wildlife. If they’ve been there for years, and they have, why is the urgency after 24 hours? I personally don’t have a problem with them and enjoy seeing them snooze in the sun. I would hate to see them all euthanased.

Kakadu park, yes! Dreggy stormwater drain? no.

Barry S said :

There have been a few unhelpful comments since my first comment, but no-one has responded with details about the colony. I would appreciate information so that i can attend to the problem.

I forwarded the location where this photo was taken to johnboy (riotact admin). I shall leave it up to him to judge if he thinks it is appropriate to give you that info. Having said that, at lease one post already on this thread gives the home range of these cats, and with the photo as reference, it wouldn’t take much to figure out where they are.

I personally hold the same feelings for foxes, feral dogs, cats, camels, indian minor birds, cane toads, etc. In this instance, I wish you all the best removing the cats, and hope you move on to all the other ferals (I’m not suggesting you try to eradicate humans – you do have a slight “serial killer in the making” tone to your comments).

There have been a few unhelpful comments since my first comment, but no-one has responded with details about the colony. I would appreciate information so that i can attend to the problem.
Regarding the unhelpful comments, isn’t it interesting that so many males become ardent environmentalists when the subject of cats comes up. Foxes are more destructive to wildlife than cats, but do they direct the same venom at foxes? No. Do they have the same strong views about roadkill or feral dogs? No. Why? It is just a matter of male hormones. As i said, to males of low intelligence displays of callousness towards cute furry animals are seen as displays of manhood. It goes like this: if i am callous towards cute things, that makes me tough and that transates into great social power while delivers to me a greater sense of self worth. Pathetic, isn’t it? But that is the nature of the species. The head of the RSPCA in Victoria recently put forward this argument to explain an act of cruelty to a cat by a group of young males. It is sad that we do not educate males out of their hormone-driven desire for social power while they are still young enough to change their ways.

Bit of torrential spring rain

Problem solved

KB1971 said :

Oh god………..

So they can still go on killing rosellas, maggies, cokatoos, possums, geckos, skinks, blue tongues, christmas beetles & anything else that is a native animal that lives in the urban environment for the next, say 10 years????

If they kill possums can someone catch me one and stick it in my roof !!!

Hi all. To those of you who have said you have reported these sorts of feral cats to TAMS and the RSPCA – TAMS won’t do anything and the RSPCA plain and simply doesn’t have the resources.

There is a group in Canberra who will trap feral cats at night humanely. People just need to let that group know where these cats are. It is very difficult to get permission from property managers/owners to do something and to grant permission for access to properties to do the trapping.

Some of the information about feral cats presented above is erroneous, but that is beside the point. In the end I think we need to remember that those animals didn’t choose to be born as a feral cat, or choose to be dumped if that is the case etc. From my experience feral cats have a horrible life, esp the Toms.

May I suggest that if you know of a feral cat population that needs to be controlled, and you wish to do this without poison (which I personally consider to be very cruel)please contact me via the private messaging facility on this forum and I will pass on any details you provide.

The cats captured are evaluated for pet suitability (in case one is caught that has been dumped), are checked for a microchip or sign of desexing (ear marking) and if they are found to be suitable for rehoming will be re-homed after all veterinary work is done (Desex, vacc, m/chip). If the cat captured is feral, and has been deemed to be feral by an experienced vet, the animal will be humanely euthanised.

The group who does this work is self funded and in their own time.

Well that’s fine actually. Just lay poison-laced food a bit earlier in the day than the cat lady. She has softened them up for you.

From what I understand, cats who are fed well still kill native animals – not just birds and native rats, but also our endangered miniature bats.

None of them are tame – except margially to the Asian lady that feeds them. Would you just be sending them all to God on the express route?

Would someone who knows the location of this colony please provide an email address or contact number so that i can speak to you about it (I have just joined this forum and cannot see any means by which to directly or indirectly contact individual members). I help people to trap stray cats and, on occasion, feral populations that are under threat. No, i am not a male of low intelligence to whom cruelty to cute furry animals is a validation of my manhood. The cats will be treated gently and humanely. Abandoned animals that are tame will be rehomed or taken to the RSPCA. Thanks.

toriness said :

Solidarity said :

Forget euthanisation, forget desexing and releasing.

Just shoot the buggers. A lot cheaper, efficient, humaine and easier.

sure. let’s shoot the irresponsible *!&@*! who didn’t desex their cats in the first place too – the same ones who buy a kitten because it’s soooo cute then throw it out in the drain to fend for itself when it’s old and ‘not cute’ and oh-my-god-it-costs-money-to-keep-it. that’s who is to blame here.

I have no problems with that, I am not a pet owner.

There are approx 15-20 cats and kittens I reckon – I go past that way twice a day. The last lot of kittens have now ventured out into the world beyond their own tunnells. They do seem to survive flooding drains so who knows where they go. They do range from over near the pool (where the old pizza hut used to be) up to near the atthlon drive bus depot. Stealth cats – rarely up on ground, always under cover or just sitting sunning themselves. They pretty much bolt if you look at them and make any move towards them. Except if you’re the middle aged asian lady that feeds them. Then they all become normal, start squeaking and then eat what they can as quick as they can.

p1 said :

Drain cats can kill minke whales?

Well, you’ve never seen a minke in the drain, have you?

I remember drain Minkes and when they were everywhere and every kid had one.

You also have to remember that Minkes become feral when they are let loose in a small environment like the drains. I remember back in the 80’s buying baby Minke whales at Belconnen markets at the pet shop until they banned them because of too many complaints. I knew heaps of kids that had them in the backyard or kept them in the tub, but they became too hard too take care of when the shops stopped stocking Minke feed.

Many a pet whale ended up being flushed down the toilet over many flushes or just dumped in the drain like unwanted xmas gifts by uncaring owners. Sometimes the stormwaterways would be flush with them after a good rain but my folks would never let me take one home.

TAMS (Formerley ACT Parks and Gardens) enacted an eradication program towards the end of the eighties but some pockets of whales still stuck around much to the delight of the local cat population. Obviously they have found the last of the Woden whale pod.

Drain cats can kill minke whales?

Well, you’ve never seen a minke in the drain, have you?

Yeah, there is like 10 of them now. They had little Kittens a couple months ago.
They live mostly inside the drains on the side, so i assumed they would drown. They don’t though. That crazy cat lady is there everyday. I did hear something about them getting cleared out last year some time, but they just came back.
They creep me out.

Them cats been there for many a year, I remember them there 10 years ago. A bit of poison in the kitty food should fix the problem.

Solidarity said :

Forget euthanisation, forget desexing and releasing.

Just shoot the buggers. A lot cheaper, efficient, humaine and easier.

sure. let’s shoot the irresponsible *!&@*! who didn’t desex their cats in the first place too – the same ones who buy a kitten because it’s soooo cute then throw it out in the drain to fend for itself when it’s old and ‘not cute’ and oh-my-god-it-costs-money-to-keep-it. that’s who is to blame here.

Ah, feral cats! Where is a flash flood when you need one? I might go outside and try a rain dance.

This is all presuming that they ARE actually feral cats. For all we know they could just be some very smart local domestic felines who have worked out how to suck stupid humans into giving them even more free food!

I love cats. Really, really love cats. I am a responsible cat owner and all that.

But I believe that humane euthanasia would be best for these guys.

Not a great life – scavenging for food, killing wildlife, fights with other cats, injuries (untreated), illness and disease (Heard of Feline HIV?), taking risks on roads and the interchange, taking even more risks when it rains and flood through that drain. Not a nice life.

Well with housing costs in Canberra, who can blame them for living there?

We wouldn’t be having this discussion if people had’ve patronised Lee’s Inn a bit more.

kids from the college over the road be feedin them too.. I say leave them be, they’re not hurtin anyone there except for maybe a few birds. Cats > birds anyway

Kittens are eminently rehomable (as are cats, they just take a bit longer). If these kittens were taken to the Queanbeyan pound (DAS doesn’t take cats) they would either be adopted directly, or have a very good chance of finding rescue with one of Canberra’s rescue groups. All reputable rescue groups include desexing as part of their adoption fee.

I think Paul Kelly wrote a song about dumping these cats:

I threw my cat into the drain/I’ve done all the dumb things.

pptvb said :

But tastiest!

I think that organic grain-fed “reiki certified”™ organic cats are much tastier. But I guess drain cats are free range.

Human beings are a plague and are thought to be the biggest threat to birds and mammals in Australia. They are well adapted omnivores, can tolerate limited access to coffee and survive by eating anything that moves and most things that don’t. They can effectively kill prey up to the size of a minke whale.

FTFY

Forget euthanisation, forget desexing and releasing.

Just shoot the buggers. A lot cheaper, efficient, humaine and easier.

You know when aliens finally arrive to invade us they’re just going to use this argument to euthanize humans. I can picture how it will work:
Oh, but you humans kill off anything you consider to be a pest. Too many kangaroos, kill them off. Too many cockatoos, kill them off. Too many cats, kill them off. Cats were introduced? Kill them off. Cats eat the wildlife, kill them off. Cats have kittens, kill them off.

So well too many humans, kill them off. Humans eat the wild (and domestic) life, kill them off. Humans are breeding too fast, kill them off. Humans destroy the environment, kill them off.

The solution of killing things off is fine while you’re the smartest being on the block and on top of the food chain. You can justify it however you like.

My philosophy is that just like humans the cats were introduced here, they kill animals to eat just as many humans do and just like humans, they have a right to live too. As some one else posted a while back, how much wild life did your house / home displace? Live and let live.

KB1971 said :

She is doing a good & bad deed.
But really these cats should be captured & euthanased as the feral animal probelm in our surrounding national parks & bushland is out of control.

But they can’t be euthanased until the Green’s legislation is passed.

weeziepops said :

On the advice of the RSPCA, I contacted TAMS about some stray cats. I was hoping to get them trapped and desexed, then re-released in the area. As it is a very urban environment, I don’t think their hunting would pose huge problems if they are being fed by people. TAMS advised they would get back to me and haven’t.

I know cats are hunters and pose risks to native wildlife. If people would desex their cats and keep them indoors or in suitable cat enclosures, this wouldn’t be an issue. Until that happens, at least people feeding the strays might cut down (even a little bit) on their need to hunt.

The RSPCA advised you to capture and then release homeless cats into the wild?

Is their a Feline birth control pill availible that we can slip into the food?

…and a human one to slip into the crazy cat ladies food.

Oh god………..

So they can still go on killing rosellas, maggies, cokatoos, possums, geckos, skinks, blue tongues, christmas beetles & anything else that is a native animal that lives in the urban environment for the next, say 10 years????

Ah, no amount of feeding will stop these cats from hunting native wildlife (if there is any left in the area).
Best thing for them and the environment is to have them caught and removed from the area for good.

On the advice of the RSPCA, I contacted TAMS about some stray cats. I was hoping to get them trapped and desexed, then re-released in the area. As it is a very urban environment, I don’t think their hunting would pose huge problems if they are being fed by people. TAMS advised they would get back to me and haven’t.

I know cats are hunters and pose risks to native wildlife. If people would desex their cats and keep them indoors or in suitable cat enclosures, this wouldn’t be an issue. Until that happens, at least people feeding the strays might cut down (even a little bit) on their need to hunt.

Those cats have been there for years at Woden. Every night they raid the bins at Phillip College and the Hell Club for leftovers for dinner. They even wander over to the bus interchange bins. They will never become tame or pet standard as they’ve never become socialised. However, they don’t deserve to die either. I have been tempted to rent traps and get all of them speyed and let them go back there again. At least then the breeding cycle won’t continue.

And they’re all black or black and white.

what about the children, will someone think of the children!

oh were just talking about cats, whatever

Pommy bastard said :

KB1971 said :

The last thing we need is more feral cats running around (although they can keep the pesky Minor Bird poulation at bey maybe….)

What about the major bird population?

🙂

Suddenly, draincats – hundreds of them!

Feral/stray cats are a plague and are thought to be the biggest threat to birds and mammals in Australia. They are well adapted carnivores, can tolerate limited access to water and survive by eating small mammals, birds, reptiles, amphibians, fish and insects. They can effectively kill prey up to the size of a brush-tail possum.

Feral cats breed from the age of about one year and can breed in any season. They have up to two litters of about four kittens each year and as such are a multiplying problem. They also carry infectious diseases such as toxoplasmosis and sarcosporidiosis, which can be transmitted to native animals, domestic livestock and humans. If rabies was accidentally introduced into Australia it is more than likely that feral cats would act as carriers of the disease.

There are no pluses to a feral cat population in the “Bush Capital” and feeding those we do have is short sighted. The next feed these cats get should be inside a trap set by the RSPCA.

*awaits some anti cat comment from Captain RAAF*

landcat said :

Drain cats are the most seedy of cats.

But tastiest!

I think she should branch out and set up some incubators for locust eggs.

KB1971 said :

The last thing we need is more feral cats running around (although they can keep the pesky Minor Bird poulation at bey maybe….)

What about the major bird population?

Excess food now = a springtime excess resources to spend on breeding = more feral cats to eat more birds later.
(Or more cats to eat the same number of birds later on, letting some of the kittens die of starvation)

Way to go, crazy cat lady.

When I commented casually in passing (can’t remember what I said, something about her making the cats happy) she replied in a tone that made it appear as if she were performing a great community service, and that if she didn’t it would be terrible.

Oh god, it sounds like my mother in law ..

Yep, couldn’t agree more KB. And you don’t Have to go far (think Cotter area or Tharwa) to see wild pigs and moggies and hear the wild dogs howling.

ON NOES!!!~~11!1!!!! THEY IZ IN UR DRAINS STEALING UR RAYZ!

Drain cats are the most seedy of cats.

She is doing a good & bad deed.

Yep, if the cat is full & happy then it will be less likely to hunt (although they still hunt for practice/pleasure).

But really these cats should be captured & euthanased as the feral animal probelm in our surrounding national parks & bushland is out of control.

I was up the Brindies yesterday riding my pushy & found wild dog droppings, deer hoof prints & sections on the side of the track that had been furrowwed by feral pigs.

The last thing we need is more feral cats running around (although they can keep the pesky Minor Bird poulation at bey maybe….)

Disclaimer: I am a RESPONSIBLE cat/dog owner.