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10^23 Campaign: Homeopathy Demonstration

By arthwollipot 1 February 2011 27

On the 6th of February, in partnership with the Canberra Skeptics incorporated, I will be participating in the global 10-23 event.

It has been my observation, and that of others in the skeptical movement, that most members of the public do not understand what homeopathy really is. Most people seem to think that the adjective “homeopathic” is the equivalent of “herbal”, or “natural”. They consider homeopathy the same way they consider vitamins, or health supplements, when in fact homeopathy is a very different kind of product.

We will not be making a claim about whether or not homeopathy actually works. Instead, we will be demonstrating to the public how homeopathy is prepared. We will be making a 30C homeopathic preparation of hydrochloric acid, demonstrating the principles of dilution and succussion. The public will be able to make up their own mind whether to spend money on elaborately and expensively prepared water.

If any supporter of homeopathy really believes they can distinguish the homeopathic preparation from plain water, we invite them to try for the Australian Skeptics $100,000 prize or the James Randi Educational Foundation’s million dollar prize. Of course, they will have to prove it can be done without reliance upon pure chance!

This event will begin at 10:23am on Sunday 6th February, to coincide with associated events across the world. It will take place in the gardens of Old Parliament House (see Rational Capital website for map).

Background Links:
1023 Campaign: http://www.1023.org.uk/
Rational Capital Podcast: http://rationalcapital.com.au/
Canberra Skeptics: http://www.canberraskeptics.org.au/
Australian Skeptics $100,000 Prize: http://www.skeptics.com.au/features/prize/
The JREF Million Dollar Challenge: http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

Contact: Andrew Gould
Email: arthwollipot @ gmail . com


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Thoroughly Smashed 2:38 pm 01 Feb 11

trix said :

Thoroughly Smashed said :

The jury’s still out on acupuncture, but at least it has a proposed mechanism of action that fits within the currently understood laws of nature.

What, exactly, is this mechanism for acupuncture?

It is believed to stimulate the production of endorphins (which are opioids) and other neurotransmitters used by the body to regulate pain, stress and mood. Whenever I need to regulate pain I’ll take an over-the-counter opioid and pocket the difference in time and money.

Note that despite the claims of acupuncture it doesn’t matter where on the body the needles are stuck, and all the other mystical nonsense surrounding the practice is just that.

longshanks 2:37 pm 01 Feb 11

Erg0 said :

mr_spoon said :

I’m planning a homeopathic attendance at your demonstration.

Does that mean you’ll walk past the site three days before it’s on?

Ha! He could also touch someone, who then touches someone else, who touches a third person, and the 30th person in line could attend on his behalf.

Erg0 2:15 pm 01 Feb 11

mr_spoon said :

I’m planning a homeopathic attendance at your demonstration.

Does that mean you’ll walk past the site three days before it’s on?

p1 2:11 pm 01 Feb 11

trix said :

Thoroughly Smashed said :

The jury’s still out on acupuncture, but at least it has a proposed mechanism of action that fits within the currently understood laws of nature.

What, exactly, is this mechanism for acupuncture?

The stick needles in you and keep asking if you feel better. Then they say “see, the needles made you feel better”.

p1 2:09 pm 01 Feb 11

mr_spoon said :

I’m planning a homeopathic attendance at your demonstration.

In this weather, I suggest that your homeopathic solutions be dispensed via water pistol.

trix 2:05 pm 01 Feb 11

Thoroughly Smashed said :

The jury’s still out on acupuncture, but at least it has a proposed mechanism of action that fits within the currently understood laws of nature.

What, exactly, is this mechanism for acupuncture?

Thoroughly Smashed 1:52 pm 01 Feb 11

trix said :

And Randi’s so-called offer is just grand-standing

Grandstanding is making claims that you can’t support.

chewy14 1:41 pm 01 Feb 11

Bane said :

they also determined that the same results could be acheived by having a drunk monkey randomly stab the needles into the patient’s back

Now, that’s something i’d pay to see.

Can you provide a link to the peer reviewed “drunk monkey stabbing acupunture” report?

mr_spoon 1:29 pm 01 Feb 11

I’m planning a homeopathic attendance at your demonstration.

georgesgenitals 1:09 pm 01 Feb 11

Pommy bastard said :

I’ve been demonstrating extreme-reiki healing today, I hope you are all feeling better for it.

I bought a big bag of reiki from the markets last weekend, but was disappointed that I only got through about half of it before it went off.

D2 12:47 pm 01 Feb 11

I-filed said :

Well, fraudulent homeopathy cost me some thousands of dollars over 8 years – very much in the same league as loan-sharking.

On the contrary.

Loan sharks are honest; they actually provide you with something useful. They may overcharge on the interest rate, but their services are genuine. Not that I’d recommend them.

Homeopathy, on the other hand, is pure unadulterated 100% guaranteed fraud.

Bane 12:41 pm 01 Feb 11

ahh, 15 responses and only 1 deluded moron. Faith in humanity…rising, rising…

Regarding acupuncture, I read that although they did show that it was effective in helping one particular malady (which escapes me…some form of back problem I think), they also determined that the same results could be acheived by having a drunk monkey randomly stab the needles into the patient’s back

Skidbladnir 12:32 pm 01 Feb 11

trix said :

We DON’T know how homeopathy works; it just appears to, in our experience….current scientific knowledge… demonstrate any difference between a homeopathic preparation and water….

So what?

Any sufficiently advanced and rigourously defined hypothesis which is methodically testable, supported by demonstrable evidence, utlises logic which is falsifiable, and relies on assumptions which are correctable once refuted, is indistinguishable from the scientific method.

Homeopathy, on the other hand…

longshanks 12:10 pm 01 Feb 11

I have two comments, one serious, the other not so serious:

1. I used to live in France, where there’s an extremely popular homeopathic ‘flu remedy called Oscillococcinum. There’s a wikipedia article on it, but it basically boils down to this: the manufacturer takes the heart and liver of one duck, dilutes it to 1% 200 times, and thus creates their entire annual supply of the remedy. Surely this takes quackery to a whole new level!!

2. Slightly more serious, a close friend of mine was travelling as part of a group to Africa, and was convinced to take a homeopathic anti-malarial drug. Only two people in the group were stupid enough to trust this nonsense, and guess what – they both caught malaria, almost died, and had to be evacuated by air ambulance from Zimbabwe to South Africa. One of them spent a week in intensive care, with a parasitic blood count higher than anyone the South African tropical disease specialist had ever seen (he actually suggested that her parents fly out to see her, as he didn’t expect her to survive.)

So when Trix says “Grow the f*ck up…We don’t know how homeopathy works; it just appears to”, all I can say is, “quack quack bullsh*t”.

Grrrr 11:46 am 01 Feb 11

trix said :

.. given our current scientific knowledge..

Ah, I missed this important little phrase.

Do you believe that “science” just doesn’t understand Homeopathy, and that one day “science” will prove that it works?

Scientific knowledge is gained from the scientific method of experimentation and observation.
Science isn’t a person, or persons: Homeopaths can be scientists – if they follow scientific method. They need to prove their claims scientifically, and the problem is they’re already saying it works when they haven’t.

I-filed 11:36 am 01 Feb 11

trix said :

So why not spend your energy on the kind of fraud that actually has the ability to ruin people’s lives – loan-sharking, dodgy pensions, email fraud….

Well, fraudulent homeopathy cost me some thousands of dollars over 8 years – very much in the same league as loan-sharking.

Skidbladnir 11:25 am 01 Feb 11

Pommy bastard said :

I’ve been demonstrating extreme-reiki healing today, I hope you are all feeling better for it.

Stop molesting my aura!

Grrrr 11:14 am 01 Feb 11

trix said :

We DON’T know how homeopathy works; it just appears to

I think you mean “We don’t know IF homeopathy works, but any positive change we see we attribute to the homeopathic remedy – ignoring other possible explanations – because we want it to work.”

You’re making claims that you cannot prove, and are very hard for others to disprove.

What’s so galling is the arrogance in ignoring a century of medical science and saying “Well, it can’t hurt and it MIGHT help, so let’s just say it COULD help, and this guy believes that it DID help him, so give it a go and give us your money!”

Grow up and prove yourselves right.

PS: At least Acupuncture has evidence that some of it’s treatments are effective.

Pommy bastard 11:09 am 01 Feb 11

I’ve been demonstrating extreme-reiki healing today, I hope you are all feeling better for it.

Braddon Boy 10:48 am 01 Feb 11

“By definition”, I begin
“Alternative Medicine”, I continue
“Has either not been proved to work,
Or been proved not to work.
You know what they call “alternative medicine”
That’s been proved to work?
Medicine.”

-Tim Minchin, Storm

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