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12,000 Commonwealth jobs to go under Abbott

By Barcham 17 May 2013 106

Tony Abbott reaffirmed his previous promise to remove 12,000 jobs from the public service during his budget reply speech if elected.

That is a lot of unemployed Canberrans.

The recommitment to slash public service positions comes just one night after Treasurer Wayne Swan allayed fears of mass redundancies by announcing that only around 1200 positions would not be replaced, a move that has transferred the unpopular burden of sackings squarely to the Coalition.

“We’ve announced that we’ll reduce by at least 12,000, through natural attrition, the size of the Commonwealth public sector that’s now 20,000 bureaucrats bigger than in 2007,” Mr Abbott told Parliament.

After substantial scene-setting and backgrounding that resulted in warnings from the federal branch of the Community and Public Sector Union that redundancies were a retrograde step, public servants have seen the dreaded efficiency dividend – a budget cut that must be extracted from existing resources – scaled back from 4 per cent in 2012-13 to 1.4 per cent in 2013-14.

While this will upset a great many people here in the ACT, at least you won’t have to worry about pay parking the the parliamentary triangle anymore.


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dungfungus 4:27 pm 03 Jun 13

EvanJames said :

Macro business have picked up on Hockey’s comment reported in the CT recently: buy liberal, sell labor. And the time to sell is NOW.

http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2013/06/hockey-sell-canberra-housing/

The decline in building approvals rot set in 2 years ago but I guess with a hung parliament, anything can happen and this is not good for business confidence.
On the other hand, with real estate in Canberra “there has never been a better time to buy” (if you listen to some of the spruikers).

Diggety 4:00 pm 03 Jun 13

The good news is, public servants have ample time to look for another job. Still over 3 months till the election.

EvanJames 2:46 pm 03 Jun 13

Macro business have picked up on Hockey’s comment reported in the CT recently: buy liberal, sell labor. And the time to sell is NOW.

http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2013/06/hockey-sell-canberra-housing/

Holden Caulfield 1:03 pm 03 Jun 13

12,000 APS employees = politically expendable

1200 quasi-government employees making a car nobody wants to buy, signed off by bosses of a multi-billion dollar company in a faraway land = must be saved at all costs

HiddenDragon 12:12 pm 03 Jun 13

This announcement – while very good news for Geelong – will only add to Canberra’s problems, as some jobs will presumably relocate to Geelong, and others which might have been created here will not:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-03/geelong-national-disability-insurance-scheme-disabilitycare/4728274

HiddenDragon 11:03 pm 21 May 13

EvanJames said :

Did anyone see this article in the Fin today?
http://www.afr.com/p/technology/tech_outsourcing_push_tipped_under_Q6GVdFU0n9doSKpalS3EDI

They’re not speculating about the Coalition planning to outsource government IT to Indian companies, they’ve got it from people inside those companies, who are being sounded out by Coalition members. It’s quite a meaty bit of analysis, evidently prompted by info from Tata et al, who expect great things after the election.

“Local leaders of IT companies and industry experts have told The Australian Financial Review that an understanding has emerged between the Coalition and industry that outsourcing will increase markedly under its rule. However, no formal commitments or policies have been put in place.”

Interesting times.

The CPSU is going to be very, very busy.

EvanJames 10:24 pm 21 May 13

Did anyone see this article in the Fin today?
http://www.afr.com/p/technology/tech_outsourcing_push_tipped_under_Q6GVdFU0n9doSKpalS3EDI

They’re not speculating about the Coalition planning to outsource government IT to Indian companies, they’ve got it from people inside those companies, who are being sounded out by Coalition members. It’s quite a meaty bit of analysis, evidently prompted by info from Tata et al, who expect great things after the election.

“Local leaders of IT companies and industry experts have told The Australian Financial Review that an understanding has emerged between the Coalition and industry that outsourcing will increase markedly under its rule. However, no formal commitments or policies have been put in place.”

Interesting times.

gungsuperstar 12:54 am 20 May 13

dungfungus said :

Your guess would be wrong then.
I draw my own conclusions about what is happeneing in the economic world by analysing raw data like financial journalists and commentators used to do. They now get their “news” from political party spin doctors in the form of opinion.
A good example of “raw data” is the Baltic Dry Index which plumetted in 2008 but most investors ignored that signal that ushered in the GFC.
My background is finance and investment and I am rarely wrong. If I am wrong it is my wallet that wears it, not the rest of the country such is what is happening now thanks to Labor getting the wrong “advice”. I don’t go near the share market either.
How many more billions of dollars do you want to see this country borrow for God’s sake? The debt now can never be repaid which is bad enough but when we can’t even service the interest then we face what Argentina has had to deal with for the last 40 years.
Have you ever heard of a condition called “overproduction”? Check it out and then tell me what is about to happen.
It’s not rocket science you know.

dungfungus said :

Please quote two specific examples of “Abbott’s negativity” that have impacted on the ACT economy then.
I thought the Gillard Labor/Green/Independent minority government was running the country – they are theone’s that are currently eliminating jobs in the federal PS by the way but we all know it is Abbott’s fault somehow.
Please also give us your insight as to which area of government (public service?) that will not be badly affected when Abbott “guts” the PS.
If you can’t adapt to the ebb and flow of changing business conditions then you should seek salvation somewhere else perhaps.

dungfungus said :

If anyone believes that national austerity is anything but a stupid policy listen to Mark Blyth here http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/bigideas/austerity3a-the-history-of-a-dangerous-idea/4658124
then do some of your own research. You will be hard put to find a thinker (as opposed to imbeciles such as Hockey, Abbott and their slavering lickspittles Jones and Bolt) who agrees with it as a national economic policy although it is arguably a rational notion for a household.

“In fact, the whole economic theory underpinning “austerity” was recently shown to have been the result of an Excel spreadsheet fail by an economics student”
Wrong.
The key academic study often touted by austerity advocates was recently exposed as faulty. A postgraduate student was told to replicate the results of Reinhart and Rogoff’s key study using their data. After a semester of failing to do so, his supervisors got exasperated and tried to find his mistake. Instead, they found an excel error in the original study.
Reinhart and Rogoff missed Belgium in one of their ‘average’ calculations, along with some other minor errors. (You’re only allowed to ignore Belgium if you’re European, and the academics aren’t.)
A new paper was published by the smug academics who found the error. They claimed that, adjusted for this error, the conclusion was the opposite of the original Reinhart and Rogoff paper. Stimulus advocates rejoiced. The case for austerity was severely weakened. And the whole scandal went global.
But since then, it’s emerged that the second study, disproving the first, is also flawed. Rather than just fixing the mistake made, the new paper changed some of the other assumptions.

dungfungus said :

Yes, I wonder how some of the “deficits are good” lobby run their own household budgets and what plans would they implement if they were running the country to repay government debt of nearly $300 billion over the next 10 years while servicing the interest costs concurrently?

dungfungus said :

You mentioned Europe. Have you ever been there? I was in France in March and the economy is a mess. The news about France that you don’t hear about in Australia is that the socialist government with is “75% tax on the wealthy” policy has driven not only the actor Gerard Deapardue out of their country but also hundreds of businessmen who have shut their factories in France and sacked 600,000 workers. Renault now make their cars in Turkey!
But all is good in France because same-sex marriage is now legal. “A great victory for socialism” one of their ministers said yesterday.
It is all academic because 80% of primary school children in France are Muslim and when they start to vote in 10 years time the same-sex people will start leaving like the wealthy are doing now. Yes, I believe we are on the same track as Europe.

I tried so hard to not comment on this thread, because it’s one of those stupid, pointless things where no one is ever going to change their mind.

But my curiosity got the better of me. You gotta help me “dungfungus”.

I can’t figure you out dude, whether you’re

– the most extreme, conservative, anti-everything person in Canberra.
– a Labor hater, which is fueling your crazy scare mongering
– a troll, because NOTHING about anything that you’ve written backs up the credentials that you claim to have (which is made all the more funnier given your stated distate for people who trump up their achievements). Aside from this, you’re sprouting obvious and blatant mistruths. (80% of school kids in France are Muslim? PLEASE!)
– just really, really stupid and idiotic, taking all of your news from Bolt and Murdoch, and you actually believe everything that you say.

I won’t go re-state the blatant falsehoods included in your posts, because other people have already done that – but to suggest that you’ve made it clear to most people here that you’re talking out your arse is surely beyond doubt.

Gungahlin Al 11:58 pm 19 May 13

Darkfalz said :

cranky said :

As a (very) small businessman, I contend that Abbott’s continual negativity since the last election has had a massive draining effect on ACT business confidence.

Yes, it’s all Abbott Abbott Abbott’s fault. You’d think this guy was running the country for the last 6 years…

Replace one “n” with an “i” an you have it spot on. Because whatever it takes.

HiddenDragon 10:51 pm 19 May 13

The budgetary pressures likely to be faced by commonwealth, state and territory governments in coming years suggests to me that whoever is in power, there will be continuing and increasing pressures to contain administrative costs and, while Coalition governments are likely to cut further and faster, it is difficult to imagine subseqent Labor governments going too far in reversing such cuts. Just as it has been said that some of the Budget cuts announced by Swan amounted to doing Abbott’s dirty work for him, it may well be the case that APS and other cuts made by an Abbott government would be doing some of the dirty work which would otherwise be left for a PM Shorten/Bowen/Clare etc.

dungfungus 9:12 pm 19 May 13

dungfungus said :

Jim Jones said :

dungfungus said :

justin heywood said :

Amusing to see the contortions the True Believers will put themselves through to maintain their delusion. A budget surplus this year has been an iron-clad article of faith, regularly trotted out as proof of this government’s good economic management.

But now that promise has evaporated into the wind like so many others, it turns out that we don’t need to run surpluses anyway – in fact deficits can be a good thing! Hilarious.

Yes, I wonder how some of the “deficits are good” lobby run their own household budgets and what plans would they implement if they were running the country to repay government debt of nearly $300 billion over the next 10 years while servicing the interest costs concurrently?

Let me get this straight: you say you have a ‘background in finance and investment’, but you ‘don’t trust that share-market thingo’, you distrust ‘academic authors’ in the field of economics, and you think the budget of a country is similar to a household budget.

I honestly can’t tell if you’re either lying or just incredbly stupid. Lord help anyone who takes investment advice from someone with a track record like this. There should probably be a charity to help them out.

Your arguments against the loss of 12,000 jobs in the city you live in is ‘toughen up … lots of Australians hate public servants’, and your response against any argument that the Australian economy is strong is: ‘labor are bad’ ‘rah rah Juliar rah rah’, and you appear to be convinced that we’re on track to rack and ruin ‘just like Europe’.

On this, there’s no debate. It’s flat out stupidity.

You mentioned Europe. Have you ever been there? I was in France in March and the economy is a mess. The news about France that you don’t hear about in Australia is that the socialist government with is “75% tax on the wealthy” policy has driven not only the actor Gerard Deapardue out of their country but also hundreds of businessmen who have shut their factories in France and sacked 600,000 workers. Renault now make their cars in Turkey!
But all is good in France because same-sex marriage is now legal. “A great victory for socialism” one of their ministers said yesterday.
It is all academic because 80% of primary school children in France are Muslim and when they start to vote in 10 years time the same-sex people will start leaving like the wealthy are doing now. Yes, I believe we are on the same track as Europe.

As opinions on this blog rely heavily of referrals to internet articles, try this one and note the comment from a France 2 documetary about the actual amount of halal meat delivered in France.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3523/islamization-of-france

dungfungus 8:56 pm 19 May 13

JC said :

Darkfalz said :

cranky said :

As a (very) small businessman, I contend that Abbott’s continual negativity since the last election has had a massive draining effect on ACT business confidence.

Yes, it’s all Abbott Abbott Abbott’s fault. You’d think this guy was running the country for the last 6 years…

Business confidence is about the future not the past, so who is running the country and what they have done is irrelevant. Who may be running the country and what they may well do does directly effect business confidence.

Are you saying that if Labor win the election and Abbott and his “perceived-by-some-
negativity” disappears there will be a surge in business confidence?

dungfungus 8:46 pm 19 May 13

rosscoact said :

Sorry about that. You might be better reading this one
http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/dl-opinion/why-australia-hates-thinkers-20130513-2jhis.html

🙂

I’ve read it and found it interesting – she makes some good points. I’ll give you my full comments soon.

poetix 8:44 pm 19 May 13

dungfungus said :


It is all academic because 80% of primary school children in France are Muslim and when they start to vote in 10 years time the same-sex people will start leaving like the wealthy are doing now. Yes, I believe we are on the same track as Europe.

Sacre bleu! There goes the wine industry… 🙂

dungfungus 8:44 pm 19 May 13

bundah said :

dungfungus said :

Jim Jones said :

dungfungus said :

justin heywood said :

Amusing to see the contortions the True Believers will put themselves through to maintain their delusion. A budget surplus this year has been an iron-clad article of faith, regularly trotted out as proof of this government’s good economic management.

But now that promise has evaporated into the wind like so many others, it turns out that we don’t need to run surpluses anyway – in fact deficits can be a good thing! Hilarious.

Yes, I wonder how some of the “deficits are good” lobby run their own household budgets and what plans would they implement if they were running the country to repay government debt of nearly $300 billion over the next 10 years while servicing the interest costs concurrently?

Let me get this straight: you say you have a ‘background in finance and investment’, but you ‘don’t trust that share-market thingo’, you distrust ‘academic authors’ in the field of economics, and you think the budget of a country is similar to a household budget.

I honestly can’t tell if you’re either lying or just incredbly stupid. Lord help anyone who takes investment advice from someone with a track record like this. There should probably be a charity to help them out.

Your arguments against the loss of 12,000 jobs in the city you live in is ‘toughen up … lots of Australians hate public servants’, and your response against any argument that the Australian economy is strong is: ‘labor are bad’ ‘rah rah Juliar rah rah’, and you appear to be convinced that we’re on track to rack and ruin ‘just like Europe’.

On this, there’s no debate. It’s flat out stupidity.

You mentioned Europe. Have you ever been there? I was in France in March and the economy is a mess. The news about France that you don’t hear about in Australia is that the socialist government with is “75% tax on the wealthy” policy has driven not only the actor Gerard Deapardue out of their country but also hundreds of businessmen who have shut their factories in France and sacked 600,000 workers. Renault now make their cars in Turkey!
But all is good in France because same-sex marriage is now legal. “A great victory for socialism” one of their ministers said yesterday.
It is all academic because 80% of primary school children in France are Muslim and when they start to vote in 10 years time the same-sex people will start leaving like the wealthy are doing now. Yes, I believe we are on the same track as Europe.

Just to correct your assertion that 80% of primary school children in France are muslim:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/30/world/europe/30schools.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

The reality is France’s population is approx 65 million of which 5 million are muslim so it’s literally quite impossible for 80% of primary school kiddies to be muslims.

You haven’t corrected my assertion at all. I could counter the NY times report by quoting from the Population Reference Bureau in Washington USA who say “Concerns about the rapid growth of Muslims are based on popular perceptions, not statistical evidence. Because many European countries do not ask a person’s religion on official forms or in censuses, it has been difficult to obtain accurate estimates of the number or childbearing rates of Muslims. Nevertheless, it seems clear that Muslims are far from achieving majority status. Muslims make up less than 5 percent of the population in most European countries. France has the largest Muslim population in Western Europe. An estimated 4 million to 6 million Muslims make up between 6 percent and 10 percent of the French population” This information is 5 years old and the salient point is that because of political correctness corrupting the requirement to give factual personal details to government agencies, the true statistics will never been known . Given that most Muslim women have a miniumum of 5 children and the birth rate in Europe was falling before the large scale migration from Muslims countries intensified the figures available on the internet are not reliable.
You obviously didn’t read my earlier comment that I had been to France in March and I got the 80% figure at “the coal face”. Call me stupid or a liar or instead get away from your computer screen, get on a plane and go to Europe yourself.

dpm 8:01 pm 19 May 13

bundah said :

Just to correct your assertion that 80% of primary school children in France are muslim:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/30/world/europe/30schools.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

The reality is France’s population is approx 65 million of which 5 million are muslim so it’s literally quite impossible for 80% of primary school kiddies to be muslims.

Shhh, don’t get in the way of a good old fashioned geezer rant. Sometimes that’s all they’ve got to keep them going!

“Back in my day, etc etc etc… The world is going to rack and ruin, and that’s a fact!”

Hahaha! 🙂

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 7:57 pm 19 May 13

bundah said :

dungfungus said :

Jim Jones said :

dungfungus said :

justin heywood said :

Amusing to see the contortions the True Believers will put themselves through to maintain their delusion. A budget surplus this year has been an iron-clad article of faith, regularly trotted out as proof of this government’s good economic management.

But now that promise has evaporated into the wind like so many others, it turns out that we don’t need to run surpluses anyway – in fact deficits can be a good thing! Hilarious.

Yes, I wonder how some of the “deficits are good” lobby run their own household budgets and what plans would they implement if they were running the country to repay government debt of nearly $300 billion over the next 10 years while servicing the interest costs concurrently?

Let me get this straight: you say you have a ‘background in finance and investment’, but you ‘don’t trust that share-market thingo’, you distrust ‘academic authors’ in the field of economics, and you think the budget of a country is similar to a household budget.

I honestly can’t tell if you’re either lying or just incredbly stupid. Lord help anyone who takes investment advice from someone with a track record like this. There should probably be a charity to help them out.

Your arguments against the loss of 12,000 jobs in the city you live in is ‘toughen up … lots of Australians hate public servants’, and your response against any argument that the Australian economy is strong is: ‘labor are bad’ ‘rah rah Juliar rah rah’, and you appear to be convinced that we’re on track to rack and ruin ‘just like Europe’.

On this, there’s no debate. It’s flat out stupidity.

You mentioned Europe. Have you ever been there? I was in France in March and the economy is a mess. The news about France that you don’t hear about in Australia is that the socialist government with is “75% tax on the wealthy” policy has driven not only the actor Gerard Deapardue out of their country but also hundreds of businessmen who have shut their factories in France and sacked 600,000 workers. Renault now make their cars in Turkey!
But all is good in France because same-sex marriage is now legal. “A great victory for socialism” one of their ministers said yesterday.
It is all academic because 80% of primary school children in France are Muslim and when they start to vote in 10 years time the same-sex people will start leaving like the wealthy are doing now. Yes, I believe we are on the same track as Europe.

Just to correct your assertion that 80% of primary school children in France are muslim:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/30/world/europe/30schools.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

The reality is France’s population is approx 65 million of which 5 million are muslim so it’s literally quite impossible for 80% of primary school kiddies to be muslims.

Typical Alan jones listening right wing halfwit. Hear a soundbite from some ignorant moron and take it as fact instead of checking sources.

But bunduh, your sources maths must be wrong, because bolt said so.

Dungfungas, using such ridiculous claims now means inless you back everything up with fact and sources to those facts, can know be 100% ignored from now on.

justin heywood 7:57 pm 19 May 13

JC said :

Darkfalz said :

cranky said :

As a (very) small businessman, I contend that Abbott’s continual negativity since the last election has had a massive draining effect on ACT business confidence.

Yes, it’s all Abbott Abbott Abbott’s fault. You’d think this guy was running the country for the last 6 years…

Business confidence is about the future not the past, so who is running the country and what they have done is irrelevant. Who may be running the country and what they may well do does directly effect business confidence.

Just to clarify JC, are you saying that business confidence in this country is down because they fear an Abbott government?

Diggety 7:03 pm 19 May 13

The thing public servants need to realise is their jobs – in most cases – are not necessary. Every PS job should be considered temporary.

Australians – in most cases – are far better at administrating their own lives than any beauracrat will ever be.

rosscoact 6:51 pm 19 May 13

dungfungus said :

rosscoact said :

dungfungus said :

justin heywood said :

Amusing to see the contortions the True Believers will put themselves through to maintain their delusion. A budget surplus this year has been an iron-clad article of faith, regularly trotted out as proof of this government’s good economic management.

But now that promise has evaporated into the wind like so many others, it turns out that we don’t need to run surpluses anyway – in fact deficits can be a good thing! Hilarious.

Yes, I wonder how some of the “deficits are good” lobby run their own household budgets and what plans would they implement if they were running the country to repay government debt of nearly $300 billion over the next 10 years while servicing the interest costs concurrently?

😀 😀 😀

So managing the budget of a country is just like running a household only bigger?

😀 😀 😀

Read up on Argentina’s economic history. Several academics have written accounts of what might happen here if we don’t learn the lessons.

So, let me get this straight.

You’re suggesting that either the current or alternative government is going to introduce trade restrictions and protectionism, peg then overvalue the dollar, increase the cost of living while reducing real wages, have the state offer protection to inefficient industries to create an environment which emulates and indeed largely contributed to the the pre-expanding deficit era of Argentina?

I think you might find that the Hawke Keating governments implemented most of the reforms that prevented that from affecting Australia in the same way.

If not, then the comparison with Australia and Argentina is totally invalid except at the most vapid and facile way.

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